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Don Corlemahomes 06-13-2014 09:30 AM

That said, i would like to see what it would take to get a guy like Luis Valbuena from the cubs. 17 doubles and opsing .859, plays 2b and 3b, cheap, and wouldn't pry away too much in the way of prospects.

alnorth 06-13-2014 10:46 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Astros&amp;src=hash">#Astros</a> are tied w\ the <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Athletics&amp;src=hash">#Athletics</a> in MiLB walks at 1112. Been drafting for OBP. Last place is <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Royals&amp;src=hash">#Royals</a> at 780 <a href="http://t.co/raemP0UXVV">pic.twitter.com/raemP0UXVV</a></p>&mdash; Daren Willman (@darenw) <a href="https://twitter.com/darenw/statuses/477462159702495233">June 13, 2014</a></blockquote>
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"OBP? I don't get this newfangled obsession over walks by Sabr nerds!"

/royals

Three7s 06-13-2014 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10688622)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Astros&amp;src=hash">#Astros</a> are tied w\ the <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Athletics&amp;src=hash">#Athletics</a> in MiLB walks at 1112. Been drafting for OBP. Last place is <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Royals&amp;src=hash">#Royals</a> at 780 <a href="http://t.co/raemP0UXVV">pic.twitter.com/raemP0UXVV</a></p>&mdash; Daren Willman (@darenw) <a href="https://twitter.com/darenw/statuses/477462159702495233">June 13, 2014</a></blockquote>
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"OBP? I don't get this newfangled obsession over walks by Sabr nerds!"

/royals

I looked at our minor leaguers last night. All of our "prospects" are pretty awful, other than maybe Hunter Dozier. That Sean Manea that everyone was jazzing about has a 5+ ERA. Not to mention, he's walking the house according to the numbers.

ChiefsCountry 06-13-2014 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10688671)
I looked at our minor leaguers last night. All of our "prospects" are pretty awful, other than maybe Hunter Dozier. That Sean Manea that everyone was jazzing about has a 5+ ERA. Not to mention, he's walking the house according to the numbers.

You do realize that Manea is on a very short pitch count right?

Three7s 06-13-2014 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10688678)
You do realize that Manea is on a very short pitch count right?

Yeah, and?

duncan_idaho 06-13-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10688671)
I looked at our minor leaguers last night. All of our "prospects" are pretty awful, other than maybe Hunter Dozier. That Sean Manea that everyone was jazzing about has a 5+ ERA. Not to mention, he's walking the house according to the numbers.

You can't base everything off of statistical performance, as it doesn't take into account their age for the level, scouting reports, development schedule, etc. You're working with unfinished products in a lot of cases, especially at the low minors. A lot of pitchers have their bread and butter second pitch taken away from them at A+ by the Royals, to work on developing additional pitches.

Manaea's scouting reports have been universally glowing. Everyone who has seen him in person has walked away from the experience gushing about him. His biggest issues right now are building up his arm strength and endurance (he didn't throw from July on last year after having hip surgery) and developing his changeup. His strikeout numbers are off the charts... walks are high, but when a guy is working to develop a pitch, you're going to see some of that. He's also been working on strict pitch counts for games and for innings, so there have been several times he didn't get an opportunity to pitch out of trouble.

Almonte, also at A+, is in the same boat to a certain degree. He's working on developing a breaking pitch to complement his excellent fastball/changeup combo, and his numbers have suffered a little.

Last guy at Wilmington whose numbers don't tell the story is RA Mondesi. He was dominating until missing a few weeks due to back spasms. Looks like that was bothering him both before he sat down and still a bit when he got back, too. He's also an 18 year old playing against guys 4-5 years older than him, on average.

Bonifacio and Cuthbert have been mildly disappointing at Northwest Arkansas (Boni probably more so out of those two). That's the level where you really want to see hitters start producing. Cuthbert is still showing strong OBP skills... just hasn't hit with the authority you want from a corner guy. Still... power develops with age. OBP skills like that usually don't.

Orlando Calixte and Christian Binford are far exceeding expectations so far. Calixte, whom I've been high on for 2-3 years, is an intriguing bat and probably the closest bat to helping in the major leagues.

Binford is a guy who, if you looked at just his stats, you would expect is a future ace of the staff... but bring in his scouting report, and he becomes more of a middle-back-end rotation guy. Kind of shows the other end of the spectrum when 'scouting' from numbers alone.

duncan_idaho 06-13-2014 12:28 PM

BTW, will update my top 15 and maybe stretch it to a top 20 by the All-Star break. It looks like Blewett is a lock to sign, as well as Finnegan, but I'll wait to make sure.

Brandon Downes is the only really intriguing signability guy. I imagine they'll give him enough that he won't return to VA for his senior year, but I'd probably slot him in the Royals top 20 (I think the guy can hit, and just had a small sample size-driven off year).

C3HIEF3S 06-13-2014 04:19 PM

Great piece from Rany.
http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2014/06/turnaround.html

Three7s 06-13-2014 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10688778)
You can't base everything off of statistical performance, as it doesn't take into account their age for the level, scouting reports, development schedule, etc. You're working with unfinished products in a lot of cases, especially at the low minors. A lot of pitchers have their bread and butter second pitch taken away from them at A+ by the Royals, to work on developing additional pitches.

Manaea's scouting reports have been universally glowing. Everyone who has seen him in person has walked away from the experience gushing about him. His biggest issues right now are building up his arm strength and endurance (he didn't throw from July on last year after having hip surgery) and developing his changeup. His strikeout numbers are off the charts... walks are high, but when a guy is working to develop a pitch, you're going to see some of that. He's also been working on strict pitch counts for games and for innings, so there have been several times he didn't get an opportunity to pitch out of trouble.

Almonte, also at A+, is in the same boat to a certain degree. He's working on developing a breaking pitch to complement his excellent fastball/slider combo, and his numbers have suffered a little.

Last guy at Wilmington whose numbers don't tell the story is RA Mondesi. He was dominating until missing a few weeks due to back spasms. Looks like that was bothering him both before he sat down and still a bit when he got back, too. He's also an 18 year old playing against guys 4-5 years older than him, on average.

Bonifacio and Cuthbert have been mildly disappointing at Northwest Arkansas (Boni probably more so out of those two). That's the level where you really want to see hitters start producing. Cuthbert is still showing strong OBP skills... just hasn't hit with the authority you want from a corner guy. Still... power develops with age. OBP skills like that usually don't.

Orlando Calixte and Christian Binford are far exceeding expectations so far. Calixte, whom I've been high on for 2-3 years, is an intriguing bat and probably the closest bat to helping in the major leagues.

Binford is a guy who, if you looked at just his stats, you would expect is a future ace of the staff... but bring in his scouting report, and he becomes more of a middle-back-end rotation guy. Kind of shows the other end of the spectrum when 'scouting' from numbers alone.

Thanks for the info!

The thing that scared me the most about the bats in the minors is lack of balance. Guys that had decent homer totals hit .260 or less. Guys with 300+ averages had zilch in the power department. Are we still teaching guys how to be slap hitters?

KChiefs1 06-14-2014 12:51 AM

http://kingsofkauffman.com/2014/06/0...m-danny-duffy/

Good read on Duffy since he pitches today:

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Since coming back to the majors this season, Danny Duffy has appeared to be a different pitcher. He has been more in command, not just with his pitching, but on the mound as well. Even when things are not going right on the mound, Duffy has not let his emotions get the best of him as he had in the past.

Duffy has even had his moments of pure dominance, such as his performance on June 2nd, when he allowed only one hit and one walk while striking out five over six innings against the St. Louis Cardinals. The dominance has extended through the first two times he has faced a lineup this season, as Duffy has given up a combined .163/.262/.293 batting line the first two times he has faced a lineup as a starter heading into last night’s action. However, when facing a lineup for the third time, Duffy becomes far more mortal, getting hit for a .320/.393/.520 batting line facing a lineup for the third time.

Danny Duffy’s early dominance and later struggles both continued last night against the New York Yankees. Though the first two times through the batting order, Duffy only allowed two hits and two walks, as he pitched five shutout innings. However, the third time through the lineup saw the Yankees get three hits and a walk, accounting for three runs, as Duffy recorded only two outs. Yes, there was a bit of bad luck as Lorenzo Cain‘s dive came up just short on Yangervis Solarte‘s sinking line drive that fell in for a two run single, yet Duffy has continued to struggle the third time through the lineup.

Perhaps the biggest issue with Duffy is that he has essentially been a two pitch pitcher, relying heavily on his fastball and curve. While he does occasionally throw a changeup, that pitch has been mainly for show to plant the thought in the hitter’s mind. In fact, the fastball and curve has accounted for almost 83% of the pitches that Duffy has thrown this year, according to Fangraphs.

While being a two pitch pitcher can be effective as a reliever, or even the first couple of times through a lineup, yet that effectiveness is likely to wane as a pitcher gets deeper into a game. Typically, a starting pitcher needs three pitches that he can throw at almost any time in order to be able to keep major league hitters off balance. With Duffy, batters go into the batter’s box that third time having seen what he has to offer. Without that third pitch being a threat, they can focus on looking for one pitch and doing damage that way.

Perhaps with time, Danny Duffy can develop his changeup to the point where he has more confidence with it. Instead of using it as a throw away pitch and to give the hitter something to think about, perhaps Duffy will be able to refine the change to the point where he can use it to attack. Having that pitch as a better option could be the final piece to the puzzle for Duffy.

For the most part, Danny Duffy has been quite good this season. Once he is able to figure out a way to handle a lineup deeper in the game, he could turn into that top of the rotation starter the Royals envisioned he would become.

alnorth 06-14-2014 01:34 AM

This has been a really funny season so far.

The Dodgers, who everyone thought would annihilate the NL West, are 7.5 games back and barely have a winning record. The Rays are the worst team in baseball. The Astros aren't too terrible, the Blue Jays look good, Milwaukee is the 2nd-best team in the NL, the Red Sox are 8 games back, and... the Tigers have been falling apart, but only after they first looked like world-beaters for 2 months before the debt that is their horrific bullpen and gaping hole at SS finally came due.

WilliamTheIrish 06-14-2014 01:53 AM

Strange season indeed, al. I've witnessed some strange things, but this week, I was at the game where we scored on 4 SF's. I'm going to continue to sell this team short. They don't have the brains to make it the post season.

Ceej 06-14-2014 05:18 AM

EDIT - I should learn to read.

duncan_idaho 06-14-2014 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10690427)
This has been a really funny season so far.

The Dodgers, who everyone thought would annihilate the NL West, are 7.5 games back and barely have a winning record. The Rays are the worst team in baseball. The Astros aren't too terrible, the Blue Jays look good, Milwaukee is the 2nd-best team in the NL, the Red Sox are 8 games back, and... the Tigers have been falling apart, but only after they first looked like world-beaters for 2 months before the debt that is their horrific bullpen and gaping hole at SS finally came due.

This Tigers team looks a lot more like what I thought it would than their early season showings.

Didn't expect Verlander to be this mortal (he might have honestly fallen off the same cliff Tim Lincecum did), but other than that, the Tigers are - overall - about what I expected at the start of the year.

They're vulenerable.

Bowser 06-14-2014 09:08 AM

The AL Central is wide open for any of these teams. I can't remember many years where someone could make that statement and have it be true.

The team that winds up winning the AL Central will likely get worked over in the playoffs.


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