They're also paying Aaron Donald quite a clip.

And they've mortgaged their future by trading away premium draft picks for people no longer on their roster (Peters) and for someone who they have to pay large or he will no longer be on their roster (Jalen Ramsey).

They're ****ed.

Garropolo is the 9th highest paid QB currently, he will be a FA in 3 years.



Mahomes will get paid next year on a long term deal. It might sting for a year or two but by the time 2023 rolls around , youll be the ones sweating it while we already have the deal done and the caps will go up. Yes for a year or two mahomes will be the highest paid QB but thats always how it goes..as time rolls on it means less and less. So in a way its better to get the deal done sooner.


I mean....if he is already the 9th highest paid guy and he is as good as you say he is...what do you think hes gonna want in 2023?

Overpaying the RB position as well.

Jimmy G is already signed. But yeah contract is up in 2 years.

Perfect scenario for me would be trading Jimmy for a 1st and throwing in extra picks to try and get Trevor Lawrence when he declares. Wishful thinking... but that’d be great.

Nice choices that have (mostly) worked out. Hill dropped (I thought) because of his off field issues, is that not the case. The 49ers took a few risky guys like that in recent years that did not work out (e.g., Reuben Foster). Wasted picks.

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No reason to ever play a RB that much. Put the money in the Oline.

So the dude goes to superbowl and you trade him? Um...I mean ok...

Dems da brakes.

Oh, no doubt it will be higher if he continues to play well. But, I don't look that far down the road. Who knows, he may be willing to sign a team friendly contract. That's what Brady has done, right?

He's Alex Smith, though. I'd absolutely trade him while his stock is high. Send him to Miami or Dallas. Take the 1st, get the real QB.

There are 15 QBs in the league as good as Jimmy "the porn herp" G.....

....there is exactly 1 Patrick Mahomes. One.

Yes sir. Trade him while his value is high.

Chiefs had struggled without outside zone but have really turned that around a bit with Ragland being shifted into the starting role. As far as the DL is concerned I have little concern at all with their ability to keep the line moving East-West. Where my concern really comes is whether or not Hitchens can flow along with the play and remain aggressive enough to keep from getting hung in the wash.

He isn't a premier athlete so slowing him down a bit can be enough to take him out of a play and open a running lane. He has to really fight through the mess in the middle to ensure we remain gap sound and give the DBs (who are all very physical) enough time to hem the 9er RBs in. Ragland is showing better maneuverability this year but it will never truly be a strength so if you can find a way to have him attacking the line early enough in the play to clean some of that wash out for Hitchens to move freely, that could help.

The DL as currently constructed is criminally underrated. They aren't the weak sisters that their early-season performance against the run. You have to remember that fans and eventually their own teammates put these guys on blast for freelancing along the DL in week 5-6. From that point forward, when Mathieu called them all out publicly for playing for themselves, they've played exceptionally responsible football and it's led to massive improvements against the run.

They can still be beat off-tackle because the LBs just aren't that athletic, but the 49ers will have to execute and even a very good running team has 'negative' plays that only yield a yard or 2 when they're trying to run laterally. Especially when guys like Jones and Clark are able to penetrate early at times.

Yeah i mean they took a SERIOUS swing at winning the SB and put together a scary, scary team..and lost to Tom Brady.


They almost had to do it IMO....if they wouldve won that ring, no one would second guess them takeing that home run swing

Rabbs for the win. Exactly my thought process.

I read an article by John Middlekauff on The Athletic yesterday where he said Veach is as good of a talent evaluator as there is (and he worked with him in Philly).

Chiefs are in great hands with the way their operation is being run and this new CBA is coming at the perfect time to facilitate the Mahomes contract.

I thought it was Bart Vetch?? LMAO

I disagree. I think Jimmy G is a real QB. Not saying it isnt worth looking at a trade and all...but I like Jimmy G and I don't think he is alex smith. Alex smith is a bed-shitter in big situations. Jimmy G is a pretty cool calm guy.

9ers run it better and I think with more variety. But yes, both teams utilize a lot of outside zone and the Chiefs absolutely killed TNs.

In the process, though, they played their hands a bit. They were damn crafty in that game in how they set their alignment to appear to be set for strong-side contain but then at the snap they would oftentimes crash weak side knowing that the Titans would adjust to the alignment and end up running into the teeth of the DL.

We put it on film last week so I'd be surprised if the 49ers are caught as flat-footed by it as the Titans were. Spags will need to find a new wrinkle to try to get the 49ers incorrectly acting on a read key.

we will see who is right -- rabbs & hern or the SF 49ers front office and Pawnmower.


No way they trade Jimmy G in 2023 or sooner.... None.

Was thinking last night about how fortunate we are to have a functional Jones amid his calf issue. Freak deal, was worried he may never be right for this postseason.

He’s such a gamewrecker with Clark. I used to be on the fence but I think I wanna keep him for sure. Mathieu talked about how Arizona’s defense was so good cause they kept their core together for so long, and as soon as they didn’t, it fell apart. Jones has bought in and is a piece of that core which could mean dynasty if things click.

Thanks. Nice analysis. I can tell you that the local radio hosts are becoming more educated as to the strength of your defense. When you see the progress over the year, it is impressive.

Early weather forecasts are looking really good for next Sunday in Miami Gardens... game-time temperatures in the 60's with low humidity and no rain/wind issues.

The Chiefs are preparing for warmer temperatures it looks like...
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Fair enough.

Most likely you if I’m being honest.

Trevor Lawrence is amazing. I can already see him in this offense. He’d be Lights out. I read somewhere that the last few superbowl participants had QB under rookie contracts. That obviously helped build up their team.

Makes sense to me.

Trading Jimmy is a long shot no doubt. Highly improbable but not impossible.

I have read a few articles that are speculating that the owners are seriously considering have a seperate cap for QB's....I pray this happens.

Imagine what Veach can do if Pat's cap hit is on a seperate cap?

Apparently you don't understand what type of compensation it would take to trade for the #1 overall pick in the draft next year (i.e. where Trevor Lawrence will likely get selected).

And the team picking #1 overall may decide there is no amount of compensation they are willing to take to pass up on drafting Lawrence.

Really???

What would be the point in that. Seems like the only ones that would benefit would be the ones that got their guy. What if you don’t?? That cap can’t be allocated towards the team?

And Pennel's influence can't be overstated. What he does is allow Ragland to overplay the flow a bit. He knows that when Pennel is in there, he's going to occupy space and blockers so the odds of a backside run blowing open are just awfully damn remote.

So now Ragland can be coming downhill at the playside B gap and really close that off, forcing the RB to bounce. And like I said, I do see some vulnerability there so it's not like it's a perfect scenario, but when you can limit the RBs options, then everyone in the second level can hone in on the target and attack. Especially if guys like Pennel and Nnadi have occupied those IOL and kept them from getting hands on Hitchens.

You don't need to hold them to 2 yards every time. Just keep them from knocking off 5-6 and you'll get enough short runs in there as well to force the 9ers into situations where Grapes will have to come through on 3rd down.

And if you routinely struggle to prevent Jimmy Garappolo from converting on 3rd downs, well you just don't deserve to win a Super Bowl. At some point you gotta earn the damn thing and that's just the way it is. If you can earn it by forcing Jimmy Garappolo to beat you,I think you're in nice shape.

So...back to the game :

T-Sizzle has played the 49ers twice already this year.

How did he look against that run game?

Getting Trevor Lawrence IS impossible unless you trade Jimmy G for a shitty team's 1st rounder this season.

Nobody in the league holding 1.1 is going to trade it when Lawrence declares. Doesn't matter what you offer them, they aren't moving it. So unless you get a pick this offseason from a team that is bad enough to end up at 1.1 next season, you aren't getting Lawrence.

Just dispense with that idea now. You might as well start dreaming about getting Mahomes as a FA.

It ain't happening.

Probably a good question for Keysor - I'd imagine he's already done some leg work on it.

There’s always a guy like you. Always. No matter what the post is.
“You don’t understand football”
“You’re an idiot “
“Clearly you don’t watch football”
“This is clearly the dumbest post I’ve ever read”

Never fails. FOH!!!

I do know what it would take to move up to trade for Lawrence. That’s why I said package up some type of deal that would already include 2 1st round picks in whatever year he declares.

I understand that future first rounders would also be required. And even then...it may not be enough or a tram wouldn’t be willing.

I get all that brother. All of it.

Pretty sure it’s BURT VATCH. He spells his name in all caps.

Idk, Cincinnati is capable of making some baffling decisions that will **** their franchise in the long term...

BRENT VEEEOTCH.

Last name pronounced like Snoop Dogg's enunciation:

"Rollin' down the street, smokin' indo, sippin' on Gin & Juice...VEEEEOTCH!!"

Lawrence is the type of prospect where if a team like Atlanta had the pick, they’d take him.

There’s like 5 teams who will keep their guy over taking him IMO.

Really, every team is screwed if they don't draft well. There's never enough cap space for a team that drafts poorly to fill all their holes.

There's also the aspect that when you have a guy like Mahomes who will have you contending every year, guys will sometimes take a below market deal to come win a title. Guys who might otherwise have left in free agency will stick around. New England did a lot of this.

As far as the Rams go, Goff/Donald/Cooks/Gurley might seem parallel our situation with Mahomes/Jones/Hill/Kelce, but what's the key difference there? The four Chiefs will all be worth what they are being paid.

The Rams have thrown elite money at an average QB, a RB and WR who seem to be declining, and a DT who probably isn't the 20 sack guy he's being paid as, but the 10 sack guy he's been every other year of his career.

Not if their team just went 2-14. I can get to 4 'probablies'.

Chiefs, Texans and Ravens - who else? Probably the Seahawks as well. Maybe the Eagles to get to 5?

And none of those teams would go 2-14 even without their respective QBs should they go down for the year in week 1. Those squads all have stable coaching staffs that would at least limp them to 5-6 wins.

If the Packers somehow went 2-14 next season and qualified at 1.1, they'd move on from Rodgers. They'd see it as a sign that he's heading downhill fast and is expensive enough that it's time to rebuild. Ditto the Saints or Falcons or anyone else with a 'name' quarterback with a big cap figure in his 30s. If the Rams went 2-14 w/ Goff they'd sit Lawrence for a year because of his reasonable cap figure and then turf Goff the following season.

I guess the Giants MIGHT be in play if they like Daniel Jones as much as rumored, but I'm betting they'd look to move Jones for a 2nd before they moved the pick for Lawrence, especially if he goes 2-14 next year as a starter.

There's just not a scenario where anyone's looking to dump that pick.

The 49ers aren't getting Lawrence unless they shit the bed themselves.

Texans and Ravens would be smart to trade their current QB for picks and build around Lawrence if they somehow had the Number 1 pick next year. Jackson and Watson are going to take a beating over the next few years (Jackson from running and Watson from his trash OL and lack of future picks).

Mahomes would take 1/2 as many sacks as Watson behind the same OL.

Watson's line gets an unreal amount of undeserved heat because of Watson's poor pocket presence. It's really remarkable.

It’s not going to happen but if Baltimore did suck so bad that they got pick 1, I think even they would move on from Jackson as his playing style makes team building much more difficult as you need a specific style of players at each position. And his shelf life is presumably shorter.

They’re going to be good though so it doesn’t matter.

Ravens would give up present day Tommie Frazier in a heart beat for Trevor Lawrence. It's really just the Chiefs, Bengals (with Burrow), Seahawks, and maybe Texans that wouldn't budge on Lawrence.

HOU is not ever trading Watson.

BAL is going to continue the Lamar Jackson experiment for at least another one or two years. Right now they're saying to themselves, "we just need a real pass rush. A LB or two. Another receiver. And we're good, as long as Lamar keeps improving as a passer."

It may not be totally accurate, but that's probably almost exactly what they're telling themselves right now.

Texans wouldn’t do it but would be smart to as well. Watson has two torn ACLs to his name, will be much more expensive, and just isn’t as good in all likelihood.

Agreed with the part in bold. Bad luck on Gurley's knee. Donald is still a monster, but his problem is he doesn't have the same level of players next to him on the line so he gets all of the OL attention. I see it very much like the 49ers D-Line. When Ford is in the game, the entire line plays better because the opponent's OL cannot focus on just one player. When he goes out, they double or chip Bosa and Buckner every play. and they become far less impactful. That's the problem the cap creates. You can have a dozen great players, but the other 10 starters may just be average unless you can find some gems in the draft and get productivity from them on their rookie contracts.

Yeah. If Lawrence were to come out in 2 seasons and Jackson failed in both, then maybe.

But we're talking next season. They're not going to trade a guy who took them to a #1 seed on the back of an MVP year 12 months later. It's just not going to happen.

I won't argue that it SHOULDN'T, but endowment effect is a real thing and they just won't do it.

The Bengals was a good call. They might still be a big ol' pile of shit come next season and with Burrows already in the fold, they won't move on from him yet. I could see a scenario where they'd make a trade.

But how are the 49ers gonna do it? They've established that they have a great coach and a solid front office. They'll be a .500 or better team for the next several years. Every pick they have in that period will be less valuable than all but maybe 5 teams in the league.

So how do they intend to leapfrog teams that will be picking in the top 5 next season? If the Bengals moved down, they won't be moving down more than a few spots (and they won't have any interest in Grapes). So now is SF going to trade Garappolo for a top 5 pick and use that to bundle w/ 4 more and get the deal done? Grapes doesn't have that kind of value and any team looking to move a pick for him would instead just go straight to the Bengals and use that same pick as the centerpiece of a deal for 1.1.

It isn't Madden. This idea falls apart upon any meaningful analysis.

Either way you look at it, my point stands. By the time the Texans are ready to really contend, Watson will be beat to shit. It would be smart to trade him to someone who is drooling over his big plays to build around Lawrence if they had the first pick next year.

Obviously, none of that is happening. For one, they don’t have a first round pick next year I think.

Tyreek dropped because of the off-field baggage. But I don’t think he would have been a high 1st rounder even if he was squeaky clean. I could see him being a late 1st rounder or maybe 2nd rounder similar to DeSean Jackson.

Tyreek is so unique that I think he is one of the few WR’s who would be worth a really high draft pick such as Top 5. The fact that Belichick double teams him all the time is pretty strong evidence of how valuable he is. Opens up things for all the other receivers on the field.

Is 49ers fan seriously suggesting that his team would be able to waltz up to the #1 overall pick to draft Trevor Lawrence in 2021? "Oh, don't get me wrong, I KNOW how expensive it would be. It would be like... at least a future 1st rounder. Maybe even two!"

Dude, try your entire 2021 draft. And all of 2022's draft. And first rounders in 2023 and 2024. You probably need to also throw in the 2nds and 3rds from those drafts, too. And one of your young DL. Then you MIGHT approach just the POINT VALUE it would take. You have to add on top of that the value of Trevor Lawrence himself.

No, sir. You DON'T understand what it takes to move up that far. By even suggesting it's a possibility, it's clear that you have no clue what it would actually take. And even then, I don't think the team who holds the #1 overall pick would take that deal.

Kelce back at practice today...

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Final practice?

Rewatching Super Bowl XXXIX...

In spite of all those turnovers they had, Reid had guys open all over the place all game against a very good defense that was getting to McNabb pretty quickly.

Cant wait to see what he dials up with Pat

Like I said - Madden mentality.

In Madden you can pretty much ALWAYS give up a 1,2,3 and next years 1 to move up to 1.1 because the algorithm just does basic math focused on the value of the picks and not the player himself.

Nobody's trading the most valuable 1.1 since the Luck draft. Or the Manning draft before that.

You want to work your way up to the spot AFTER Lawrence? Yeah, that could be done. At great cost, but it might happen.

But to get Lawrence simply isn't possible because whatever the 49ers would be willing to give up in terms of overall number of picks, some other team would do it as well but with each pick having higher short/long term value due to the team being higher in the draft order and having an organization that hasn't established itself as being as strong as S.Fs.

The only chance is to get a pick this season that turns into 1.1 through happenstance or to suck on their own.

Final KC practice. They're going to MIA for practice next week.

Makes sense, thanks!

Brady did not hold the Rams to 3 points. Belichick deserves all the credit for that. Brady did not exactly light up the scoreboard.

And it would take a team that absolutely does not need a QB at that point. And even then....a team that was at 3 or 4 that needed a QB would be more valuable to trade with because the team at 1 wouldn’t be moving down that far.

I noticed two things about Kyle Shannahan when he was the O coordinator for the skins:

Shanahan had a Tod Hailey-like demeanor. He either overthunk things in crunch time or would whig out like a psycho.

And he SUCKED at game planning during the bi week. I distinctly remember Kyle getting housed-on multiple times coming out of the bi. and when I looked it up the only time he won coming out of the bi with the redskins was when RGIII was quarterback during the magical 2012 season. Otherwise his game plans were poop.

Should bode well for the Chiefs.

In KC

It will be interesting to see what Shanahan does if the 49ers get a lead. He’s obviously shown that he’ll keep running the ball because of what happened in the SB that the Falcons lost. But even that’s not safe with Mahomes.....unless their defense has finally figured out what every other coach hasn’t and that’s shut down Pat when he’s healthy.

Bro, like we did not know that after 50 years nothing with bare misses?!? **** off

Depends on what gets them the lead.

This isn't a game where either team is likely to clearly just overpower the other and run away with it. So if the 9ers find a wrinkle that works and pushes them to a 10+ point lead, I think that's what they have to keep doing.

You have 60 minutes left in your season and nothing you put on tape is going to matter next season. Let it all hang out. If Shanahan finds a way to exploit the the absence of Thornhill and the heavy feet of our LB corps by passing over the middle to build a lead, he should keep doing that, IMO. If he's dialing up runs that are breaking off the edges and THAT'S how they get the lead, then he'll obviously keep doing that.

I'd say the time for switching horses mid-stream is past us and that includes Andy. If you have a 13 point lead in the 2nd half because you were slinging the ball, then keep slinging the damn ball.

The key to milking a lead isn't just running the football and snapping with 2 seconds on the play clock. It's getting 1st downs. And if you're getting those in the air, keep get'n 'em.

Can anything fall flatter than a 49er fan being condescending?

These guys have had 3 meaningful seasons since Jeff Garcia left town. Yeah, tell me more about your time as NFL royalty back when Reagan was in office...

"Man, if only you guys could've had the feeling of winning with no salary cap and having an owner doing everything he could to win - including go to federal prison..."

Just cuts me to the quick...

Willie McGinest on NFLN. Very interesting:

“I feel for Robert Saleh because he’s probably losing sleep over covering this offense with so much speed everywhere. They have a great front but you aren’t going to win and get to the QB every down and against this offense and that QB, it doesn’t matter. All it takes is one play for them to go yard on you.”

He also said he has never seen an offense put so much pressure on a Bill Belichick defense as he did the 2nd half of the AFCCG.

Don’t forget that Jerry Rice’s great hands were aided by stick ‘um after it was banned.

You're not gonna get me to throw darts at the GOAT.

Jerry Rice just flat worked his ass off out there. I know this is the week for "**** 49er Forever" but I can't get there with Jerry.

Greatest player in NFL history, stick 'um be damned.

How are they going to adjust to that warm weather?

Like clock work these guys come out.

I’m telling you, it never fails.

The last time the 49ers won a SB was in '94 with Young, right? I get the impression that 90% of these trolls weren't even born yet when that happened.

Man, if only they'd have played in it for 12 weeks.

Sure would've been nice if we didn't play the first 3 months of the season in Western Canada. That's gonna really **** us up...

I actually really like him too...but **** him for the next week and a half. **** every member of that organization for the next week and a half.

Jerry was my favorite player as a kid. 49ers screwed him when they let him go. I can’t believe they forced out two GOAT level players in Joe & Jerry.

LOL...it's going to feel weird for Mahomes and his receivers when their fingers thaw out.

Serious question here, what did the Colts do right (if anything) to rein in KC in week 5?

49ers fans posting on their Super Bowl opponent’s message board about wanting to dump their current starting QB for the pipe dream of drafting Trevor Lawrence in 2021.

You just confirmed that Jimmy G is mediocre, congrats.

I agree. I hope Reid has learned and he keeps his foot on the throttle late in the game. Go get your ring and let Mahomes do what he does.

Are you illiterate? Or are you LGBT??

They messed up Mahomes’ ankle. And they didn’t have to face Tyreek Hill or Sammy Watkins. Both of them were out with injury. Mahomes was still moving the ball and making plays until his ankle got screwed up in 2nd quarter.

Yeah, I was a Jerry Rice fan before I was a Chiefs fan. My parents weren't big sports folks but my dad was a big 'have his friends over for a barbecue and a party' guy. So we had SB parties since as far back as I can recall; really the mid-80s.

Watching him vivisect the Bengals in the SB is really my first clear football memory and so I loved the guy from there through the mid-90s. The '90 Chiefs w/ Okoye and Word are really the first team I can clearly recall watching/remembering so I date my true Chief fandom to 1990, but I was a Jerry Rice fan before that and there's just no way I can ever bag on the guy even if pictures emerge of him placing bets against the 9ers and shooting straight horse steroids into his ass at halftime.