Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 7969487)

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...ar-may-be-dead

We just got done dissecting Missouri's decision to officially pursue its conference expansion options. The move could put the Big 12 in jeopardy, or at least force it to be more aggressive in its own expansion efforts. Its greatest effect could be on teams like Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Iowa State and the like -- schools that desperately need that revenue-sharing agreement to hold up, desperately need Texas and Oklahoma to stay put, desperately need to keep the Big 12 together to avoid scrambling for a spot at a less-sensible table.

Needless to say, Missouri's move did not make Kansas coach Bill Self happy. Late Tuesday night, Self told the Lawrence Journal-World that if Missouri goes through with a move to the SEC, he would probably decline to schedule Missouri in a non-conference game each season. That move would effectively kill the Border War (or Border Showdown, if you prefer an anesthetized and politically correct terminology) rivalry -- one of the and mostly deep historic and heated rivalries in college hoops. To wit:

“To me it’s a great rivalry, one of the best in college basketball without question, but I don’t think I would be interested in having a once a year game like I did when I was at Illinois, playing Missouri,” Self told the Journal-World on Tuesday night. [...] “If they choose to be somewhere other than with us and with the other schools that they’ve been a part of and could jeopardize the future of the other schools ... I’m not going to make a commitment now that we’d ever play again. I’m not saying we won’t. I’m certainly not going to pretend that we would.”

The Journal-World suggested to Self that fans, and therefore the media, would clamor for a continuation of the classic series. His answer? I don't care:

“I’m not saying it would be bad or won’t be bad (playing once on neutral court). I will say this ... the media is not going to dictate who we play. I’ll dictate who we play as long as I’m coaching here,” Self said. “I have no ill will toward Missouri at all, but to do something at a time that could be so damaging and hurtful to a group, I can’t see us just taking it and forgetting."

It's hard to disagree. Missouri's self-interested move, whatever the reasons and motivations behind it -- and you can argue those motivations are understandable even if you think Mizzou is biting off a bit more than it can chew -- puts Kansas, perhaps more than any other school, in jeopardy. The Jayhawks don't have many outs. They're a basketball-first school that has failed to attract any expansion interest from the Big Ten or SEC; for a while there, we were wondering whether Kansas would have to join the Mountain West. Why would Self not want to punish Missouri for indirectly putting his program in that position? Why wouldn't he prefer to see Missouri hoops languish in the SEC? At the very least, he's not going to say everything will be hunky-dory -- oh, go ahead, Missouri, best of luck, and see you at the Border Showdown in 2012!

No, Self is making clear that there are sacrifices to leaving your league. One of them is traditional regional rivalries. If Missouri is OK with that, then that's its prerogative. But if the Tigers prefer the SEC to the Big 12 for financial reasons, they shouldn't be shocked when their old mates decide they'd rather not speak anymore. That's just part of the bargain.

And this is why we complain about conference realignment. Since 1907, Missouri and Kansas have engaged in an uninterrupted rivalry. The matchup has been a reflection of long-standing regional animosity, the kind that inspires small towns to write letters -- in 2011, mind you -- complaining about the "offensive" use of the term "Jayhawk." I mean, it is (was) called the Border War. You don't have to be a Kansas or Missouri fan to appreciate this kind of rivalry.

Then conference realignment comes along, and Missouri decides its centuries-old rivalries with hated neighbor schools aren't worth as much as an invitation to a league with which it has no historic, geographic or competitive relationship. Why? More money.

Rivalries make college hoops great. Realignment makes rivalries obsolete. Whining about conference realignment is played out, but if you want to know why the whine-fest continues, look no further.

Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 7969502)

Look, if you guys really believe your best interests are going to a conference you have no tradition with and less competitive power, then that's on you. We want you to stay. We want to continue the rivalry as a conference rivalry. We have no interest in seeing you go, make more money, and then contributing more money to a foreign conference city. Why you think these things can just "remain the same" is beyond me. The only way this rivalry will renew if you leave is if the Big XII dissolves in the future and we somehow end up in the B1G or PAC.

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7969508)

If the only way KU is going to be happy is for Mizzou to bend over and get screwed, then I guess KU is going to have to be unhappy. There are two sides to a rivalry, and Mizzou is willing to show up and play, regardless of conference affiliation. If KU wants to end it, then that is on them. Don't sit there and blame Mizzou for moving to a better neighborhood.

KU seems to be saying they only want to play Mizzou on their terms and by their rules. Screw that, about time the Tigers stood up for themselves.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969507)

Say what you will, but if Mizzou offers to play KU in the non-con and KU says no, that's on KU.

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 7969498)

Self sounds like a jilted girlfriend and MU hasn't even left.

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 7969515)

Everyone is free to act in their own self interests. Missouri knows there are far reaching consequences to their actions. This can't be a surprise.

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7969505)

HHG is a complete dumbass, please ignore.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969484)

Self wants a opponent to respect and stand strong with an institution that has a history of over 100 years together.

KU is willing to do that and make the Big12 work.

You all can laugh at KU about how "no one wants them" but the fact of whether or not that is true cannot be known because KU knows that it's strongest position here in a conference that is based here... not Atlanta, not San Francisco, etc etc

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969484)

You all can laugh at KU about how "no one wants them" but the fact of whether or not that is true cannot be known because KU knows that it's strongest position here in a conference that is based here... not Atlanta, not San Francisco, etc etc

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7969497)

How am I not surprised that ku fans have somehow found a way to interject ku basketball into a conference realignment thread?

LMAO

Originally Posted by OmahaChief (Post 7969525)

KU is willing to do all of those things you mention not by choice but becuase it has no other options at this point. They are also willing to do as they are told by Texas and OU and be treated as second class citizens. They are doing the same thing Mizzou did for many years. Mizzou now has a chance to step up and give Texas the finger on the way out the door and I am glad they are doing it.

I will miss the KU games but I will love seeing the likes of LSU, Bama, Florida, Auburn and others in Columbia more than I will miss KU, ISU KState and the others.

Mizzou is building a new tradional not resting on an old one.

Originally Posted by OmahaChief (Post 7969525)

KU is willing to do all of those things you mention not by choice but becuase it has no other options at this point. They are also willing to do as they are told by Texas and OU and be treated as second class citizens. They are doing the same thing Mizzou did for many years. Mizzou now has a chance to step up and give Texas the finger on the way out the door and I am glad they are doing it.

I will miss the KU games but I will love seeing the likes of LSU, Bama, Florida, Auburn and others in Columbia more than I will miss KU, ISU KState and the others.

Mizzou is building a new tradional not resting on an old one.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969528)

Yep. KU wants to say in a strong, vibrant conference that is based right here in Dallas, KS.

Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 7969521)

Funny, but when it was perceived as Texas acting in self interest, you shout them down for it. Sounds like a lot of hypocrisy to me.

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 7962808)

LHN will turn into a money making machine and when they don't need the B12 anymore they will bolt.

That is fine...Texas is free to do that because they can. But if Missouri can avoid being a part of that mess they will.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969530)

Why are you so ****ing stupid all the time?

The argument has nothing to do with football vs basketball.

MU fans are sitting around crying about "conference stability" and thats what they want. Do I blame them? no...How do you get conference stability?

By standing with your conference!

MU is doing exactly what they are claiming is what they are running from.

Bill Self knows that. All he's doing is calling MU out on it.

He's a Champion for a reason.

MU should take some notes.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969507)

Say what you will, but if Mizzou offers to play KU in the non-con and KU says no, that's on KU.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969530)

Why are you so ****ing stupid all the time?

The argument has nothing to do with football vs basketball.

MU fans are sitting around crying about "conference stability" and thats what they want. Do I blame them? no...How do you get conference stability?

By standing with your conference!

MU is doing exactly what they are claiming is what they are running from.

Bill Self knows that. All he's doing is calling MU out on it.

He's a Champion for a reason.

MU should take some notes.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969542)

That's ****ing bullshit.

You can tell yourself all you want, won't make it true.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969541)

When you're staying in a hotel in which several of the other rooms are engulfed in flames, you move to a different hotel. You don't stand in your room with a fire extinguisher and hope that the fire doesn't spread to your room in an attempt to stabilize the hotel.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969514)

Exactly. KU wants to say that MU shouldn't leave because KU/MU is a great rivalry. At the same time, they are trying to say that they only play us because the conference requires it. Which is it? Is it a game that should be played because it's a great rivalry, or is it a game that should be played just because it's on the schedule every year?

Originally Posted by ReeTodd_KC (Post 7969532)

:clap:

What a great post...

MU is manning up... KU is bending over...

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969536)

Kansas City does just fine when it comes to Big 12 revenue.

Nothing is Texas. It will always be bigger. They will always spend more.

It doesn't mean others don't make a ton of money off them.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969541)

When you're staying in a hotel in which several of the other rooms are engulfed in flames, you move to a different hotel. You don't stand in your room with a fire extinguisher and hope that the fire doesn't spread to your room in an attempt to stabilize the hotel.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969533)

KU is asking Mizzou to give up tens of millions of dollars in order to preserve the rivalry, but KU isn't willing to give up a non-con game against Colgate. If I needed any convincing that this was the right move, (I didn't), I've gotten it in spades today.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969548)

Bill Self is speaking about more than KU-MU.

Its the conference.

Its about being strong and not running to someone else because you can't make it work yourself.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969542)

That's ****ing bullshit.

You can tell yourself all you want, won't make it true.

Originally Posted by OmahaChief (Post 7969525)

KU is willing to do all of those things you mention not by choice but becuase it has no other options at this point. They are also willing to do as they are told by Texas and OU and be treated as second class citizens. They are doing the same thing Mizzou did for many years. Mizzou now has a chance to step up and give Texas the finger on the way out the door and I am glad they are doing it.

I will miss the KU games but I will love seeing the likes of LSU, Bama, Florida, Auburn and others in Columbia more than I will miss KU, ISU KState and the others.

Mizzou is building a new tradional not resting on an old one.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969551)

There's no fire when you build your hotel right.

Weak links and faulty wiring make things burn.

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7969546)

Um, if Mizzou offers to play, and ku says no, then it is obviously true you dumb ****ing sack of shit.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969551)

There's no fire when you build your hotel right.

Weak links and faulty wiring make things burn.

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 7969549)

Most reeruned post I have ever seen you make.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969550)

What does that have to do with your comment about wanting to stay in a conference that is "based right here" when your conference is based in Dallas, TX?

Columbia is 600 miles from Dallas and 675 miles from Atlanta. I'm sure the additional 15 minutes of flight time is going to be the deal-breaker.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969551)

There's no fire when you build your hotel right.

Weak links and faulty wiring make things burn.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969572)

When I'm saying "based in" I'm referring to big time events ala Championship games and Tournament.

Those things stay in KC with the Big12.

With MU going to the SEC everything is gone in this area.

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 7969563)

Enjoy your stay.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969574)

25% of the hotel has been burned to the ground, and you've said multiple times that you don't care that only the more expensive rooms get sprinklers.

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 7969564)

There is more to it than that. Granted, he is trying to exert what little influence he may have on the situation.

He will have nothing to gain from playing Mizzou, if the SEC deal goes down, nothing. KU treats WSU the same way, and it is a statewide issue annually.

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7969565)

Even if the BIG XII fixes its weak links and faulty wiring, Mizzou is leaving a Holiday Inn, and moving up to the Ritz Carlton. Who can blame Mizzou for that?

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7969571)

LMAO

He's been making the same post ever since this whole Conference Armageddon started. Dude is completely oblivious to the fact that KU has no offers. Even if there were offers, though, it would be hard to say "No" to equal sharing and T1T2 rights surrender and commit to the B12.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7969582)

Everyone gets new sprinklers installed if MU agrees to it. Not that hard to understand, really.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969574)

25% of the hotel has been burned to the ground, and you've said multiple times that you don't care that only the more expensive rooms get sprinklers.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7969582)

Everyone gets new sprinklers installed if MU agrees to it. Not that hard to understand, really.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7969582)

Everyone gets new sprinklers installed if MU agrees to it. Not that hard to understand, really.

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7969586)

Oh please, it is all dramatics right now. A lot of ku fans can tip their hat to Mizzou because they can admit they want out of this Zombie Conference too. But the fringe minority feel like they can sit in the corner and scream to make it all go away.

Ku alums will want to still play Mizzou. It is your biggest rivalry by far. It would be silly to be so cruel to your own fans.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7969588)

Because they will never get to the Pent House in the Ritz?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969597)

That doesn't rebuild the rest of the burned-out shell of a hotel, and the two guests with the quickest access to the emergency exits are still setting off fireworks in the lobby.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969562)

KU isn't second class to those schools.

They make 2nd in 3rd tier to Texas. Texas has a population like 5 times that of Kansas.

Do none of you guys ever look at how much $$ these schools actually have?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969606)

Yes. Your football team is the second-least profitable team of the original 12 teams at $4.3 million in net profit. Meanwhile, Texas has a profit of $65 million.

How close do you think basketball comes to bridging that gap?

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969594)

So you were out there petitioning the Big 12 when every school signed on to unregulated 3rd tier rights when the Big 12 began?

If so then I suppose I have no argument against your stance that MU should leave for the SEC.

I personally enjoy it when a school (Texas) outspends everyone else tenfold and still fields mediocre sports teams.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969597)

That doesn't rebuild the rest of the burned-out shell of a hotel, and the two guests with the quickest access to the emergency exits are still setting off fireworks in the lobby.

Originally Posted by Trevo_410 (Post 7969607)

You guys ever think that maybe Mizzou got tired of all the shit you've said through this whole thing? It seems like every school except ISU in the big12 has been a part of this group thought Missouri would never have the balls to change conferences...

"What has Missouri won? No-one would care of Missouri left."

"Easily Replaceable."

Something about us getting left out of the big10 last year...

So now that we're on the brink of leaving all this big12 all you guys are kissing our asses -- particularly most of the smaller schools including kU. We're doing what's doing best for us, not for you guys. The only negative about going to the SEC would be losing to the best football teams in the country. That's it.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7969614)

The burned out shell of a hotel? Each school is going to make more money as a result of that initial fire. Was it not reported that FOX was willing to keep the initial contract intact even after the TAMU departure?

If MU can make more money in the SEC dude to the inability to generate any kind of T3 here in the B12, then I can see why you would want to leave. If the school stands to make more money in the B12 than it would in the SEC and be guaranteed stability for the next 10 years, would you prefer MU to stay or leave?

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7969620)

BIG XII might be able to guarantee stability for 10 years (I doubt it, Texas is not willing to commit that long), but no way BIG XII will be able to match SEC money, since the SEC is on the verge of creating an SEC network, which the BIG XII will never have because of the LHN in Texas. So your question is a non-starter until Texas decides to give up on LHN and help form a BIG XII network.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7969614)

The burned out shell of a hotel? Each school is going to make more money as a result of that initial fire. Was it not reported that FOX was willing to keep the initial contract intact even after the TAMU departure?

If MU can make more money in the SEC dude to the inability to generate any kind of T3 here in the B12, then I can see why you would want to leave. If the school stands to make more money in the B12 than it would in the SEC and be guaranteed stability for the next 10 years, would you prefer MU to stay or leave?

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7969622)

Like I said, if MU stands to make more money in the SEC, by all means, you guys should have been out of here yesterday.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7969618)

So it's all about the bruised ego for this kid. This is the reason 90% of the MU fans want to GTFO, I bet. Who's kissing your ass anyway, little buddy?

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7969618)

Who's kissing your ass anyway, little buddy?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969629)

/tips cap

Now is the border-war worth preserving when there is no conference schedule to mandate playing each other, or was all that "rivalry" talk just a bunch of flowery talk that didn't really mean anything?

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7969637)

I'm down for whatever is in the best interest of KU.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969639)

And what is best for KU in your opinion?

1. "Punishing" Mizzou for doing what you have acknowledged is best for the university by refusing to keep the border-war alive

or

2. Playing a non-con game against your biggest rival even though you are no longer in the same conference a la Iowa-ISU

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969580)

Is the mini bar free?

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7969646)

That depends. Are we going to play MU instead of tOSU for example? If that's the case, I think it would be in the best interest of KU to go ahead and play tOSU instead.

As far as football is concerned, I'd like to keep the Arrowhead showdown.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969671)

Here's a list of non-con games that KU plays in 2011-12 that could be replaced by MU in the future:

Nov. 1 (Tuesday), Fort Hays State, Lawrence, Kan. (exhibition)

Nov. 8 (Tuesday), Pittsburg State, Lawrence, Kan. (exhibition)

Nov. 30 (Wednesday), Florida Atlantic, Lawrence, Kan.

Dec. 3 (Saturday), South Florida, Lawrence, Kan.

Dec. 6 (Tuesday), Long Beach State, Lawrence, Kan.

Dec. 19 (Monday), Davidson, Kansas City, Mo. (M&I Bank Kansas City Shootout at Sprint Center)

Dec. 22 (Thursday), at USC, Los Angeles, Calif.

Dec. 29 (Thursday), Howard, Lawrence, Kan.

Dec. 31 (Saturday), North Dakota, Lawrence, Kan.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7969685)

The USC game is probably a part of the Big12/Pac12 deal.

Is MU willing to come to Lawrence for the non-con game? I figured it would have to be a home/away deal or in the Sprint Center. Of course, if it's going to make KU more money playing you guys at the Sprint Center than it would playing any of those schools in Lawrence, then I would be all for replacing one of those games for it. Other than that, it would have to be an M&I classic, but I don't know who schedules those.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969708)

I would think it would be in the Sprint Center for basketball and Arrowhead in football.

Let's face it. The only reason to turn down the game would be to send a "screw you" to Mizzou. You've already acknowledged that Mizzou has to take the boat-load of cash in the SEC, so why is there a need for the hostility?

Mizzou doesn't really care about the rivalry as much as Kansas does. Most Kansans live within an hour of Missouri. Only about a third of Missourians live within an hour of Kansas. You're our biggest rival, but we'll move on.

I would think that KU needs the rivalry more than MU, but I don't know that for certain. Mizzou's base is going to be fired up for Florida and Bama and Tenn and LSU and Kentucky and Auburn and Georgia and Arkansas... KU has to get fired up for K-State and Iowa State and Baylor and Texas Tech and BYU(?) and Cincy(?)...

What if shit really hits the fan and OU, OSU, Texas, and Tech wind up in the PAC and the B1G doesn't want to expand for at least a few years? Suddenly, KU finds itself in some garbage conference, and they don't even have Mizzou on the schedule. Is that risk really worth "teaching MU a lesson"?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969708)

I would think it would be in the Sprint Center for basketball and Arrowhead in football.

Let's face it. The only reason to turn down the game would be to send a "screw you" to Mizzou. You've already acknowledged that Mizzou has to take the boat-load of cash in the SEC, so why is there a need for the hostility?

Mizzou doesn't really care about the rivalry as much as Kansas does. Most Kansans live within an hour of Missouri. Only about a third of Missourians live within an hour of Kansas. You're our biggest rival, but we'll move on.

I would think that KU needs the rivalry more than MU, but I don't know that for certain. Mizzou's base is going to be fired up for Florida and Bama and Tenn and LSU and Kentucky and Auburn and Georgia and Arkansas... KU has to get fired up for K-State and Iowa State and Baylor and Texas Tech and BYU(?) and Cincy(?)...

What if shit really hits the fan and OU, OSU, Texas, and Tech wind up in the PAC and the B1G doesn't want to expand for at least a few years? Suddenly, KU finds itself in some garbage conference, and they don't even have Mizzou on the schedule. Is that risk really worth "teaching MU a lesson"?

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7969716)

You are right. KU gets fired up for Mizzou. In fact, when Mizzou came in town ranked in 2003, the #23 largest crowd in Memorial Stadium history showed up to see KU defeat them.

That is the largest crowd in history to see KU vs Mizzou in Lawrence. The 23rd largest overall.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969708)

I would think it would be in the Sprint Center for basketball and Arrowhead in football.

Let's face it. The only reason to turn down the game would be to send a "screw you" to Mizzou. You've already acknowledged that Mizzou has to take the boat-load of cash in the SEC, so why is there a need for the hostility?

Mizzou doesn't really care about the rivalry as much as Kansas does. Most Kansans live within an hour of Missouri. Only about a third of Missourians live within an hour of Kansas. You're our biggest rival, but we'll move on.

I would think that KU needs the rivalry more than MU, but I don't know that for certain. Mizzou's base is going to be fired up for Florida and Bama and Tenn and LSU and Kentucky and Auburn and Georgia and Arkansas... KU has to get fired up for K-State and Iowa State and Baylor and Texas Tech and BYU(?) and Cincy(?)...

What if shit really hits the fan and OU, OSU, Texas, and Tech wind up in the PAC and the B1G doesn't want to expand for at least a few years? Suddenly, KU finds itself in some garbage conference, and they don't even have Mizzou on the schedule. Is that risk really worth "teaching MU a lesson"?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969708)

I would think that KU needs the rivalry more than MU, but I don't know that for certain. Mizzou's base is going to be fired up for Florida and Bama and Tenn and LSU and Kentucky and Auburn and Georgia and Arkansas... KU has to get fired up for K-State and Iowa State and Baylor and Texas Tech and BYU(?) and Cincy(?)...

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7969716)

You are right. KU gets fired up for Mizzou. In fact, when Mizzou came in town ranked in 2003, the #23 largest crowd in Memorial Stadium history showed up to see KU defeat them.

That is the largest crowd in history to see KU vs Mizzou in Lawrence. The 23rd largest overall.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969720)

What's your point when the discussion is a game at Arrowhead? The most watched football game in 2007 in the entire country was the border-war at Arrowhead. More people watched that game than any game in KU history. More people attended that game than have ever attended a game in Lawrence.

K-State doesn't have any rivals, just a big brother, so it makes sense that you wouldn't understand.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969721)

Kansas and Texas have a great rivalry in basketball.

Why would you not include it in your list there?

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7969727)

Pffft. Either side would be pretty dumb to agree to another Arrowhead series. Unless either team is really good people won't show up.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969724)

hmpf, weird

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 7969723)

One question because this keeps popping up - KU has to get fired up for KSU/ISU/BU/etc & MU has to get up for Florida/Alabama/Tennessee/etc.....


But, do Florida/Alabama/Tennessee/LSU/Auburn/Georgia have to get fired up for MU?