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pugsnotdrugs19 03-23-2024 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17455530)
Absolutely. But tell me which constellation of remaining FAs we’d sign that would be very satisfying.

It’ll be a hodgepodge no doubt, and the end result could end up better. But nothing is going to feel great in my view.
Securing the services — insurance policies perhaps you’d day — of Mike Danna, Donovan Smith, and some WR 3/4 type would feel good for me.

Then everything in the draft is basically just strengthening what you had last year.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-23-2024 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17455523)
In what world is a 3 totally valueless?

It’s not what we wanted, but it’s still a damn 3.
Pure garbage. Maybe move up 4 slots with it ROFL

pugsnotdrugs19 03-23-2024 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17455536)
Pure garbage. Maybe move up 4 slots with it ROFL
Who said they have to move up?

They could just keep the pick and it turn into pick 70-75 next year. That isn’t nothing. At all.

TwistedChief 03-23-2024 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17455528)
I don’t think the future 3 = a 4 process works with Kansas City.

Maybe for franchises that where the GM and coach are fighting for their jobs, who need to win this year just to remain with the franchise.

But Veach and Andy know they’re gonna be here in 2025. So whether they decide to keep the pick and have two 3s next year or they elect to use it this year in a trade up, it’s the same value IMO.
Yeah, I don’t buy that. It creates a complete hole on your roster for the upcoming season because you don’t have the pick to replace the player. And if you want to turn around and immediately trade one of those future picks, the rest of the league devalues the pick.

ChiefsCountry 03-23-2024 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 17455508)
Why do I feel like the Titans made out like bandits?
They are paying for a 27 year old cornerback with bad knees. Chiefs robbed them.

Brooklyn 03-23-2024 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17455524)
For starters, it’s not a 3rd. It’s a 4th because of how picks in future years are valued.

And yes, because you can move the money around to make it work and create 19.8mm elsewhere. That has implications for future seasons and future decisions, sure. But this does as well.

And yeah, if he leaves next year and we get nothing, we at least have a real possibility of a compensatory pick. Because next offseason we’re very likely to lose some high value player otherwise in Bolton, Creed, or Smith which would make us more likely to actually realize the compensatory third.

They could also hold it till it appreciates back into a legit 3. Then it will be viewed as stellar ammo for team building toward the 4-peat.


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Pasta Little Brioni 03-23-2024 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17455539)
Yeah, I don’t buy that. It creates a complete hole on your roster for the upcoming season because you don’t have the pick to replace the player. And if you want to turn around and immediately trade one of those future picks, the rest of the league devalues the pick.
Exactly. Better said.

IowaHawkeyeChief 03-23-2024 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17455530)
Absolutely. But tell me which constellation of remaining FAs we’d sign that would be very satisfying.

It’ll be a hodgepodge no doubt, and the end result could end up better. But nothing is going to feel great in my view.
I agree, but that hodgepodge is a necessary. Sure we could have pushed out some cap, but that isn't wise, even if you are going to a 3-peat. I think with our depth we will be fine, particularly with the offense being better and we are in much better shape for next years decisions.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-23-2024 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17455539)
Yeah, I don’t buy that. It creates a complete hole on your roster for the upcoming season because you don’t have the pick to replace the player. And if you want to turn around and immediately trade one of those future picks, the rest of the league devalues the pick.
It’s not all about 2024, though.

We all wanna three-peat badly but the Chiefs were never gonna go “all in”. Veach knows that if he spreads his resources out they can win at a level we’ve never seen before over Mahomes’ 15+ year career, nor will ever see again.

staylor26 03-23-2024 12:06 PM
You can value it as a 4th for the sake of a trade/discussion, but when/if that's a top 75 pick next year, it's going to be what it is.

TwistedChief 03-23-2024 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17455535)
Securing the services — insurance policies perhaps you’d day — of Mike Danna, Donovan Smith, and some WR 3/4 type would feel good for me.

Then everything in the draft is basically just strengthening what you had last year.
And I’m fully confident this is what they’re going to end up doing with it. The alternative is keeping Sneed, moving money around with Thuney or Taylor, and bringing back Danna and Smith and prioritizing WR in round 1 or 2 of the draft. I would’ve rather gone in that direction.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-23-2024 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17455552)
And I’m fully confident this is what they’re going to end up doing with it. The alternative is keeping Sneed, moving money around with Thuney or Taylor, and bringing back Danna and Smith and prioritizing WR in round 1 or 2 of the draft. I would’ve rather gone in that direction.
Which would’ve been a fine solution if they ever were OK paying Sneed $20m — which I think we now recognize they were never gonna do.

So taking the picks is a solid outcome given that he was never gonna be on our roster.

If TENN doesn’t step up to the plate, I’m not certain we don’t rescind the tag.

RunKC 03-23-2024 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17455523)
In what world is a 3 totally valueless?

It’s not what we wanted, but it’s still a damn 3.
Rams got a late 3 for Ramsey. Bucs got a late 3 for Davis. Packers got a late 3 for Douglas. Chiefs will get a better 3rd than all those teams got.

The Titans will be a mid 3 at worst. In fact odds are it could be a top 10 pick considering their schedule and the other 3 teams in their division all had winning records last year.

Based on the Chiefs recent draft position that draft pick could only be a mere 10-11 picks after where our 2nd would be.

VAChief 03-23-2024 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17455517)
I’ll put it like this:

I thought our floor was a 3. I thought our ceiling was a 2. We got a 4.

The value of the 4 allows us to move from 32 to 28.
The value of the 3 allows us to move from 32 to 24.
The value of the 2 allows us to move up from 32 to 17.

(Obviously it’s all only possible if the team will trade with us, but just speaking strictly from a value perspective.)

I’m sure Veach isn’t happy with how this wound up either. We don’t need to pretend to be.
With the talent depth at OT and WR, depending on how the 1st round goes, you might be able to stay put at 32 and get an OT you had valued there and try to move up from 64 to get a WR you value. The way the roster is now. LT has to be at the top of our list. WR is still a need, but realistically that is likely going to be the 4th receiving option the first year (Rice/Kelce and Brown).

TwistedChief 03-23-2024 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17455549)
You can value it as a 4th for the sake of a trade/discussion, but when/if that's a top 75 pick next year, it's going to be what it is.
Let’s take this to an extreme. Would you rather have a 1st this year in a trade or a 1st in 5 years? After all, Mahomes will be here in 5 years, and imagine having an extra first then. Because it’s going to be what it is.

I get why things can be a little different with the Chiefs. But they likely value deferred picks similar to other teams.


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