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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16929746)

I don't know, or care if this is Q.

This video is Rashee Rice highlights from all 4 years. This YouTube channel also has a video of Marvin Mims Jr.'s career highlights, and Cedric Tillman, and some others. After watching this video, and the Mims video.......lets just say I wish I didn't watch the Mims video.

https://youtu.be/K7YPD7rQge0

I just watched the Tillman career highlights. Even though Mims is explosive and really seems to fit into what our offense has been, if they really wanted a different type receiver, Tillman looks really good. His complete career highlights are much more impressive than what I saw previously.

I have been trying to think about what would make Rice's rookie season a success.

Is it just being better than Skyy Moore was his rookie year?

Is it just replacing Hardman's expected production?

Is it matching JuJu's production?

I am asking because he is a Chief, and that's not changing, and I keep watching video of other receivers and wishing maybe that we drafted them over Rice. I don't know why I keep watching other receivers, I just can't stop. I feel like my OCD is getting out of hand.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16929759)

I liked Tillmam too and would've stayed put to get him, but I'm not that fussed, and in any case one will be getting passes from Mahomes the other...won't. So it's pretty likely we never have to think "what if". Rice will have the better career.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16929759)

I feel like my OCD is getting out of hand.

My man Rasputin has a tiny padded room he'd like to introduce you to that blasts Mimms, Hyatt, and Tillman highlights over and over again. There's typically a 'no visitors' policy but we'll allow Rezjohn Wright to stop by to update you on his HOF career.

Might as well put this here, too.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16929799)

Here’s some more fan fiction…buckle up and enjoy…

This whole “Dhop to KC” story was based on no more than a grand total of 45 minutes of BVs time. 2 phone calls to the team and a brief conversation with the agent to try to facilitate a trade. That’s it. Here’s how it went down. Take it for what it’s worth.

When BV originally called (on the day Arizona made it public that Hopkins may get traded) and they told him the ridiculous asking price (a second and another pick and a player) the whole conversation didn’t last more than 10 minutes. Brett hanging up saying “those guys are nuts” is literally how it ended. Brett addressed concerns, but Arizona was only interested in getting max return a year after guys like Adams and Hill get mega deals in mega trades. They completely overplayed their hand. The call was ended abruptly as the 2 sides were very far apart, but a line of communication was opened.

Then, a follow up call (after the Cooks trade) to try to talk some sense into them on what needs to happen to facilitate a trade that makes sense happened within minutes of the trade. Brett was very composed and made a quality offer of pick 135 and Willie Gay Jr for Hopkins and Arizona restructures the deal before the trade by converting 10m of the base salary for 2023 to bonus and eating the dead money. Arizona was still dead set on keeping him if they don’t get their price, but KC was firm in their offer. That’s also why KC signed Drue Tranquill. They were within hours/days of each other. Maybe the same day. Gay was going to Arizona if they could figure out the $$$stuff.

Arizona expected Hopkins to take a paycut for 5m and they would bonus him the other 5m so KC could make the contract work by restructuring it once the trade was done to help the immediate cap figure. Hopkins said to his agent at that time that he wouldn’t take a paycut to make the trade work (but that he wouldn’t want an aav raise if KC wanted to give him an extension) and Arizona chose not to cut a check for 10m to facilitate the trade and it fell apart. Willie Gay heard he might be traded and was notified that was a possibility when he voiced his concern…it was that close.

Brett called and talked directly to Hopkins agent for more than a few minutes towards the end of negotiations, trying to get him to have Deandre take a cut. Tried playing the angle of how good DHop would be in KC with Pat and how Hopkins can win a title before the window closes. It was an impressive pitch. Brett tried to explain to him *in detail* how he would make the $ back in endorsements after a Super Bowl and even during the year.. Hopkins and his agent didn’t budge, citing how that would diminish his stature by him publicly taking a paycut.

And now the whole relationship between the team and WGJ is damaged, as well. I hate to say it, but I won’t be surprised if he’s traded before or during training camp. He loves it in KC and wants to stay long term, but doesn’t feel like KC wants to keep him…and you can understand why. We might lose him for less than we think because unless he can reset his mindset, this one was a gut punch to him and the team may try to give him a chance by trading him to a team in the NFC that he would have a chance to earn a long term deal for.

It’s the reality of having a QB on a mega contract. Guys like WGJ move on to other teams and have great careers and KC replaces them with cost controlled options.

Right after the deal completely fell through and Veach knew it wasn’t going to happen, he called Pat and told him they were looking to draft him a top talent WR and that’s when Pat started having throwing sessions with a few of the guys that would be in the draft. Rice was the first one Pat called and Pat told him on the phone he thinks he’s similar to Hopkins and he flew him out to work with him for a couple days.

Brett and Pat are in constant communication and Pat had the highest praise for Rice after their sessions in how he picked up what Patrick was seeing and adjusting the way Pat wanted him to. They had a good relationship on the field. Brett asked Pat what he thinks of Johnston and Flowers and Pat watched some film of them against top competition and called them to work out with them.

Pat didn’t think Rice and Johnston were even comparable. Said “night and day” to Veach after the throwing sessions with Johnston. Basically said Rice does everything Johnston does, plus a lot more…and that he does it better.

Pat fell in LOVE with Flowers, though. Absolutely loved him…and the feeling was mutual. When Mahomes talked to Brett about Flowers, he face timed him so he could see his smile. That was BVs target for the first round going into the draft. He tried moving up to every slot after 17 to try and get him, but no AFC teams would offer their pick without overcharging and the NFC teams either stayed out or also wanted above chart value to move down to 31 because of the drop off in talent moving that far back.

The final call to move up was to Baltimore and they laughed a little on the phone and said they are taking him if we don’t send 31 and 63. A drastic overcharge because that’s how they see the player.

So BV took Felix in the first and started making calls about moving up with the 100% intention of doing whatever it takes to get Rice. Even telling Clark he’s going to get “the kid from SMU” before round 2 started.

And an NFC team helped them get to 55 by taking exact chart value in the trade.

And Patrick Mahomes gets his young Deandre Hopkins in Rice.

What an amazing time to be a Chiefs fan.

I'd be interested to know how many people were adamant we wouldn't/shouldn't get a contested catch guy because that's not the type of guy Reid has use for who were big fans of Rice through the whole process. I'm guessing a few have revised thoughts, which is fair enough, and others see him as a contested catch guy who might end up offering more - there's loads of D-Hop and Aiyuk comps going round.

The more I think about it to be honest, the more I like it. We'll likely never have the picks for all-round top talent. We need to build rooms with diverse skillsets. Hearing Veach they liked the contested catch ability AND the YAC, the latter seems to be a big factor for them. Given the 10 and 20 split, there's also the potential at least for earlier separation, as there is with Moore.

Worst case is NFL corners beat him up at the line and let him have far less at the catch point. Best case is he really does immediately pick up some of JJSS's work and then develops into a more all-round talent. Next year you've got to think we go back to the well for elite speed.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16929746)

Mims blows

Some of you guys only have opinions AFTER the fact, which I can tell you is pretty frustrating to all of us here that actually deep dive BEFORE the draft-and while we may not be professional scouts, many have shown a pretty good eye in previous years. Maybe next year you can join the draft forum beforehand and look at the prospects. But since some of you didn't, let me tell you something that you may not know.

This was not a draft full of first round WR's. The only bona-fide first rounder on pretty much anyone's board was Smith-Nigba, and even he had an injury concern. ALL of the rest had some questions.

Does that mean that there are no stars in this WR class? No, not necessarily. It just means that there are rough spots in everyone's tape that need work. It means there weren't any perfectly polished diamonds, not that there aren't any diamonds in the rough. Top receivers can and often do come from places other than the first round.

So this year, it was a question of 1)What skill-set are you looking for, 2)Where in the draft do you need to get that guy, and 3)Do you feel the rough spots are fixable or worth the risk?

So you can argue that you don't like a specific guy, and that you wanted this other guy over here, but if you're arguing for a smaller type, you were not on the same page as KC, which has a couple of those.

If you want to argue that you liked Tillman more or whomever, then that's fair, although again, if you just came here to bitch after the fact, it's pretty damned irritating because many of us hashed this stuff over for months beforehand.

Nah, I don't want to do that. I'd rather talk about how bad our draft picks are after we pick them and cut out all that middle man nonsense.

Hopefully Rice learns how to play wr soon.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16929759)

Did you get to interview any of these guys? Watch them workout in person? Talk with their coaches? Or did you just watch YouTube highlight reels to form your opinion? Genuinely curious.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16929801)

Might as well put this here, too.

Where did this come from?

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16929809)

Most of the draft forum nerds (like me) have been on Rice for quite a while. kccrow was the first guy on him.

The common theme there was that he was a contested catch monster who had YAC ability and, with improved route running to unlock more short- and intermediate-separation ability, he was one of the few WRs in the draft with the ability to develop into a complete, #1 X receiver.

I disagree that the Chiefs won’t ever have the picks to get an all-around receiver. DeAndre Hopkins was the #27 pick. Stafon Diggs was a Day 3 pick.

Depending on what you think of Nate, reading his last Athletic article, seems to read that the Chiefs feel they'll get more out of Rice next year than they do this year, which would make sense

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16929894)

Some of you guys only have opinions AFTER the fact

Some people choose to not close the door, shut the blinds, and turn off the lights for 3 months to "study" 300 draft prospects through 3 minute long YouTube highlight reels.

Others do choose to do that just so they can have the glory of saying they were in on someone first on a forum like it's an audition for a front office job. It worked for Mayock, so I wish you all the best.

But for me, I couldn't be bothered to give a **** about a player until AFTER the fact of the Chiefs actually drafting them.