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OnTheWarpath15 03-11-2010 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6597168)
I like Hughes, but without the stud NT, we're sunk. I think Cody should be our first, 2nd round pick.

Hughes figures to be an OLBer in a 3-4 and with Hali and Vrabel, doing a decent job, OLBer is a luxury we can't afford this early, IMO.

Berry and Cody would have been a Hell of a start to helping fortify our defense.

:spock:

There's not a single LB that can't be upgraded on this roster. Including Hali.

Passing on a pass rushing specialist who's likely to go 10 spots earlier because we have Mike ****ing Vrabel?

You have to be kidding.

Direckshun 03-11-2010 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 6597149)
I like Cody as much as you do, but I like Ryan Matthews that much more. That's why I picked him there instead of Cody.

Just because it's a hole in the team doesn't mean it has to get filled omgritenao

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6597152)
The only reason Cody would end up with San Diego is if Matthews goes ahead of that, which is possible.

A biggish running back with an undoubtedly short shelflife > the best nose tackle in the entire Draft?

ARE YOU KIDDING ME CHIEFSPLANET

I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS

A 350 lbs NT that destroyed in college. I mean, you've GOT to be kidding me.

Mecca 03-11-2010 07:48 PM

Well in fairness he likes Sapp who is very questionable in whether he can play standing over Hughes who everyone thinks will easily transition to that spot.

Mecca 03-11-2010 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6597178)
NEs defenses were never built around pass rushers.

And that's why their defense is lame, in todays game you need rushers or you end up like NE is now.

Direckshun 03-11-2010 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6597173)
Oh dear God.

The best 3-4 DL in football?

I can't take you serious when you say stupid shit like that.

Rule of the Draft: You DO NOT draft for need. You draft for value.

Yes, the best 3-4 DL in football.

If Dorsey and Jackson PLAY UP TO THEIR DRAFT STATUS (and don't get me wrong, caps lock means I'm yelling at you), we have the best DL in football.

I'm not drafting for need. I'd take the best NT in the Draft in the 1st round. I think that's exactly what the Chargers are doing -- which is why they cut their Pro Bowl nose in a nose-bankrupt atmosphere.

The value is that I'm taking a 350-380 NT that dominated in the SEC over a TCU transition project. Every single time.

RealSNR 03-11-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 6597181)
A biggish running back with an undoubtedly short shelflife > the best nose tackle in the entire Draft?

ARE YOU KIDDING ME CHIEFSPLANET

I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS

A 350 lbs NT that destroyed in college. I mean, you've GOT to be kidding me.

I know you won the draft and all, but that's a bit silly. The way you're talking you would put him in the top 10 taken overall.

BigChiefFan 03-11-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6597172)
Without a pass rusher the team is doomed, NT or no NT.

Vrabel is just complete balls and Hali is what he is.

I agree we need both, but I just believe Cody brings more to our defense. Our running stopping has been attrocious, as well, and Hughes is still somewhat of a liabilty in that area.

Also, Cody holds contain and frees up those around him, helping CREATE a pass-rush, by occupying blockers.

In other words, the players we have, should become better, by being freed up. I don't think it's any coincedence that our Defense has been awful for over a decade and we haven't had that dominate DT, during that span. Time to change that by drafting Cody. Cement the lines and then bring on the specialists.

Mecca 03-11-2010 07:54 PM

I think Hughes is a 1st rounder so I don't think you can really question this pick, Hughes is a better player than Cody is.

BigChiefFan 03-11-2010 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6597202)
I think Hughes is a 1st rounder so I don't think you can really question this pick, Hughes is a better player than Cody is.

My point still stands. All things being equal...NT is more valuable than OLBer who's a liability agianst the run.

BossChief 03-11-2010 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6597186)
And that's why their defense is lame, in todays game you need rushers or you end up like NE is now.

I agree to an extent, but their defense has been good because it prefers defenders that are strong run defenders over pass rush overall.

I dont like it, but it is what it is.

We will likely value strength against the run and ability in coverage over pass rush ability.

Mecca 03-11-2010 07:55 PM

You're valuing the position over the player, a surefire way to blow a pick.

Direckshun 03-11-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 6597195)
I know you won the draft and all, but that's a bit silly. The way you're talking you would put him in the top 10 taken overall.

I wouldn't, because I think Denver needs a NTotF and if I thought he was Top 10 material, I would have taken him with Denver's pick.

Cody is a 1st round prospect though with the rare attributes you simply don't get very often. But he's not a foolproof pick. I think the Top 10 should be reserved for foolproof picks with amazing upside.

Cody is a 1st rounder. If he falls to the second, he has to be ours. We have no choice.

Mecca 03-11-2010 07:56 PM

I don't think the Chiefs will have any chance at Hughes anyhow, I think if the draft broke similar to this one, the Jets would take him.

OnTheWarpath15 03-11-2010 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6597202)
I think Hughes is a 1st rounder so I don't think you can really question this pick, Hughes is a better player than Cody is.

Without a doubt.

Just because Scott Pioli thinks it's wise to use high picks on guys who's jobs is to take on blockers, doesn't mean I agree.

I can tell you now, you're going to hate my picks - because I'm not looking to fill needs - I'm looking to get the best player available.

This team has a shit-ton of needs, and they all can't be filled through the draft.

OnTheWarpath15 03-11-2010 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6597210)
You're valuing the position over the player, a surefire way to blow a pick.

A million times this.


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