Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8009628)

Keep on ****ing that chicken, tiger.

You've been listening to way too much Kietzman.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8009709)

I was in Joplin yesterday when the Kietzman/Harry argument went on, but I think it's fair to point out just how absurd KK was being when he built his little straw-man with Harry.

Jack Harry is absolutely wrong here. There's no way on Gods green earth the XII should keep that tournament in KC. But KK went on to paint this as the "Missouri fans" position. Look Harry wears dual hats. He's a Missouri guy, but he's also a Kansas City resident and sports personality.

He wasn't speaking as a MU guy there, but as a KC sports personality. Yet KK tried to put a Mizzou hat on him. Here's what KK constantly fails to realize - Kansas City is only about 1/3 of Missouri's fanbase, probably even a little less. St. Louis is a stronger MU town than KC is and the rest of the state is heavy MU as well since it's the only major athletic university in the state.

So right off the bat, 2/3 of the MU fanbase doesn't give a rats ass if that tournament stays in KC - not even a little bit. Of the remaining 1/3 in the KC area, about 1/2 of them don't give a shit That would've been me had I stayed in KC; I don't put a lot of stock in the economic evaluations of single-shot sporting events in a region. Those are fungible assets; that spare income will still be spent just on other avenues and most of it will still be spent in-state. Of the remaining 1/2 of the KC area MU fans, 3/4 of those recognize why the IIX wouldn't want to have the tournament in a state with no representatives.

All told, you're talking maybe 5% of the Missouri fanbase that thinks the tournament should still be in Kansas City and NONE of them are speaking as Missouri fans, but as Kansas City residents. So what?

But Keitzman's dumbass decided to use this as the jumping off point for a 20 minute rant about how entitled and superior MU fans are behaving.

He really does expose himself as a bitter little shit if you pay attention to what arguments he chooses to make. Not the arguments themselves (as his argument there was an easy win), but how he chooses to couch arguments and frame them to deconstruct straw-men.

He's a perfect little Wildcat right now.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8009709)

So right off the bat, 2/3 of the MU fanbase doesn't give a rats ass if that tournament stays in KC - not even a little bit. Of the remaining 1/3 in the KC area, about 1/2 of them don't give a shit That would've been me had I stayed in KC; I don't put a lot of stock in the economic evaluations of single-shot sporting events in a region. Those are fungible assets; that spare income will still be spent just on other avenues and most of it will still be spent in-state. Of the remaining 1/2 of the KC area MU fans, 3/4 of those recognize why the IIX wouldn't want to have the tournament in a state with no representatives.

All told, you're talking maybe 5% of the Missouri fanbase that thinks the tournament should still be in Kansas City and NONE of them are speaking as Missouri fans, but as Kansas City residents. So what?

But Keitzman's dumbass decided to use this as the jumping off point for a 20 minute rant about how entitled and superior MU fans are behaving.

Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 8009742)

Exactly. I went to school here when we were just joining the SEC (and during our basketball title). Our athletics (and academic) facilities were a far cry then from what they are today. Tailgating was pathetic, and there was no culture of fanaticism (except with basketball). Since joining the SEC, things have completely changed. Razorback sports are insane now and our facilities for all sports are top notch.

Originally Posted by evenfall (Post 8009855)

The issue is, where can the tournament be held? OKC or Dallas. Des Moines will lobby, but nobody wants to travel to Des Moines. KC still makes a lot of sense geographically and because KC is not really an all-Missouri city. The fact that the arena sits a couple of miles across the border doesn't really mean much. The Giants play in New Jersey. I don't see this a lot differently.

He is butthurt because on the whole I think this is bad for his business. He knows it despite what he says. His station has gotten a lot of mileage out of MU/KU, the Big 12 tournament, the games at Arrowhead, and even the negative interest MU fans take in KU basketball and KU fans take in MU football.

He campaigned for weeks trying to swap public opinion to stop it. He failed. Chiefplanet is displaying few examples of overt butthurt, KK has the biggest case of butthurt on the earth about this thing. Harry is right that he is jealous as well, but I think his wallet is yelping louder.

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 8009852)

If KK = KSU then Harry definitely = MU.

Originally Posted by evenfall (Post 8009614)

Dumb.. I can see why minor conferences feel threatened by this realignment stuff, but you can't extend the season by 4 weeks.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8009946)

Jack Harry has explicitely stated that he's not a Mizzou fan but took to their side because of the imbalance against them. Its not like Harry is an MU grad.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 8009953)

Why not? Time isn't really an issue... last year's bowl season was 4 weeks long, so it's not like games would be stretching into February, as they could use that same time period from mid-Dec through the first week or two of January. Of course, it's more games, more chances for injuries, less time to study for that communications final, etc; but hell, knock off that game vs Missouri State, since it's a useless scrimmage anyway... :shrug:

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 8009968)

practically you are talking about 4 more games, more practices, more travel, more missed class, instead of 1 game and the associated practice and travel. it IS a big difference.

And you know the bowl sponsors want their money still.

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 8009961)

and that changes the fact he is an MU homer because?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8010012)

Because defending a school against unfair criticism and/or playing devil's advocate does not constitute homerism.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8010012)

Because defending a school against unfair criticism and/or playing devil's advocate does not constitute homerism.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 8010020)

LMAO

Poor little MU.