Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17771064)

Bill Walsh was a young, innovative coach and Paul Brown was old school. He believed in paying your dues. Even though Walsh would have been the obvious choice to take over for Brown when he retired, Brown went with Tiger Johnson because he had been with them longer and he was more in tune with Brown on philosophy and demeanor and all that.

Walsh felt snubbed and after the decision, decided to take his talents elswhere (Stanford, i think?) and Brown felt betrayed so when Walsh was trying to get back in the league, Brown blackballed him and tried to get other owners to not hire him. He was a HoF coach but he was a petty prick.

Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 17770956)

Ah, seems like a good place to post this. Enjoy.

https://i.ibb.co/1vPv7Ys/not-good.jpg

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17770981)

They're where the Cowboys were 4-5 years ago. The core of the team isn't going to get better - just more expensive.

I've said for years "Man, what's Dallas's plan here?" because Jerry just kept bringing the same guys back and paying them more until he couldn't anymore and the team finally collapsed.

So in this regard, Mike Brown being cheap could've been useful in that they could've traded Higgins and tried to reload a bit around a Burrow/Chase core. But he decided instead to push his chips in for one last run.

And make no mistake, this is it. They're not going to have a more talented roster next year than they have this year. All they can really hope for us Mims figuring things out and All/Burton becoming genuine threats. Then they can take the Higgins 'found' money and use it on the OL. But the defense is still declining so it's hard to see them truly improving. It just doesn't seem like Myles Murphy and Kris Jenkins are suddenly going to figure things out.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17771071)

That's kinda where I keep getting back to -- is Zac Taylor a really good OC masquerading as a HC?

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17771073)

Weird thing is...Wikipedia says Tiger Johnson and Bill Walsh both started coaching with the Bengals in 1968. Is that not accurate? It looks like the dudes were there for the exact same amount of time heading into Paul Brown's retirement. It also looks like Bill Walsh was a far more experienced coach than Tiger Johnson before 1968.

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17771086)

They're not living off beating the Chiefs but they're not good. Defense is horrid most times.

Right before the opening game, with the Tee "injury" and the Ja'Marr drama it felt like there was this black cloud over the team and they've done nothing to change that. Soft, bad defense, bad play calling and an overinflated ego.

The annoying thing is, the rest of the AFC won't pull away so the Bengals are still in contention for the playoffs, having to face the teams directly in front of them.

We'll see if they have the balls and ability to get it turned around or if they're just soft bitches that talk too much.

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17771086)

They're not living off beating the Chiefs but they're not good. Defense is horrid most times.

Right before the opening game, with the Tee "injury" and the Ja'Marr drama it felt like there was this black cloud over the team and they've done nothing to change that. Soft, bad defense, bad play calling and an overinflated ego.

The annoying thing is, the rest of the AFC won't pull away so the Bengals are still in contention for the playoffs, having to face the teams directly in front of them.

We'll see if they have the balls and ability to get it turned around or if they're just soft bitches that talk too much.

Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar (Post 17771148)

I don't know if he meant it this way but I think it's more that their reputation in the media and amongst like the casual fan is built on beating the Chiefs. They haven't had as much recent success but they were the only team that could beat us with any consistency and Burrow is the only QB currently playing to have beaten Mahomes in the playoffs so I think that's bought them a lot of leeway with the media.

I think that the Bengals are a one dimensional team but that one dimension happens to be really really good. They could still eek out that 7th playoff spot, I don't believe in the broncos and I don't think like Indy gets it.

I get the impression that you think a WC loss would be like an unsuccessful season and if I were a bengals fan I'd agree

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17771276)

That fluke little AFCC 2nd half against the Chiefs is the high point of their franchises existence. Think about it a second. It's true.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17771032)

They're basically in the spot where....well they need a "Chiefs 2022 draft" of McDuffie and such.

It's just hard.

They're basically going thru what the NFL wants cycle wise.

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17771094)

Mims and All look good. Burton can't seem to get on the field for whatever reason but when they go his way, he usually produces.

They totally ****ed up the Higgins sitch and the defense is really far away from being competitive. Letting Bates and Reader walk were killers. They brought back Bell, but he looks done. Geno Stone was smoke and mirrors, Battle looks good but they won't give him significant snaps and their Dline can't get pressure other than Hendrickson. Wilson and Pratt are always out of position and are way overrated by PFF and the like. IDL might turn out ok with the rooks but Murphy looks like a bust, along with Ossai.

Originally Posted by Bengal Billy (Post 17772036)

Lol. Yeah okay. I'm old enough to remember 70s and 80s though.