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ToxSocks 04-07-2022 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16236950)
Are you smoking crack? Trading up for a WR is ****ing stupid. Mahomes is a bad ass and doesn't need us to do that.

Horse shit.

Yes, the Aaron Rodgers/Packers strategy.

"We have an MVP QB! He'll just turn shit into salad every year!"

The Franchise 04-07-2022 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16236955)
He is.

The majority. Obviously there will be people here and there that disagree, but the majority of pundits have him as the top WR talent. Not the 1st off the board due to injury of course, but the top talent.

And if the Chiefs view him as such, then go get him.

Kiper, McShay and Brugler all have Wilson as their #1 WR.

Exactly who is this majority that you’re talking about?

ToxSocks 04-07-2022 11:14 AM

2-3 seasons ago we talked about always keeping the offense loaded with talent. To NOT be like the Packers. To not do what other teams do and just expect your QB to make his receivers better all the time, but to instead give him blue chip talent that can take advantage of his talents and at time prop HIM up.

We won a SB with the "Legion of Zoom". Spent money on WR that was deemed a "Luxury" at the time, but people understood WHY. Because we were all on the same page in staying aggressive, and giving our MVP the best tools possible to work with.

My, my how that has quickly fallen.

Not me though. My philosophy aint shifting off that.

It was the right philosophy then, it's the right one now, and it will be the right one every season thereafter.

ToxSocks 04-07-2022 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16236967)
Kiper, McShay and Brugler all have Wilson as their #1 WR.

Exactly who is this majority that you’re talking about?

They have him as their #1 drafted. Because Williams is coming off injury.

staylor26 04-07-2022 11:16 AM

I think there’s a middle ground here.

I don’t think we have to trade up for a Jameson Williams, though I’d be fine with it.

But you also can’t go full O.City and not take a WR until the 3rd round.

Make no mistake about it, WR is as big of a need as any position outside of EDGE.

ToxSocks 04-07-2022 11:16 AM

Chiefs fans: Mahomes needs help.

Also Chiefs Fans: So lets get him some average to slightly above average help. Mahomes will just have to work a little harder compared to when he had Hill and Watkins etc.

OKchiefs 04-07-2022 11:16 AM

I don't think a trade up is necessary, but we sure as hell better find a top tier offensive weapon over the next 1-2 drafts. No Tyreek, Kelce probably has 2 years left as an elite weapon, maybe 3 tops. We all know a rookie isn't coming into this system and lighting it up year 1, so that means someone needs to get in here sooner rather than later.

And people can say "Tom Brady had years where he had no high end targets", but he also had a top 5-10 defense nearly every year and defensive mastermind Belichick. I don't see that happening here, so it's imperative that we maintain a continual flow of quality receivers here, whether that be in the form of WR, TE, or pass catching RBs.

Long story short, doesn't have to be a trade up in the draft or an expensive FA but they better get it right.

The Franchise 04-07-2022 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16236971)
They have him as their #1 drafted. Because Williams is coming off injury.

No. Go look at their actual rankings. Wilson is ranked #1.

ToxSocks 04-07-2022 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16236974)
I think there’s a middle ground here.

I don’t think we have to trade up for a Jameson Williams, though I’d be fine with it.

But you also can’t go full O.City and not take a WR until the 3rd round.

Make no mistake about it, WR is as big of a need as any position outside of EDGE.

There doesn't HAVE to be a trade up. If they like someone that they think will fall to them as much as they like the top 3 prospects, GREAT!

But if they feel they need to trade up, i sure as **** ain't scoffing. I'm celebrating.

staylor26 04-07-2022 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 16236976)
I don't think a trade up is necessary, but we sure as hell better find a top tier offensive weapon over the next 1-2 drafts. No Tyreek, Kelce probably has 2 years left as an elite weapon, maybe 3 tops. We all know a rookie isn't coming into this system and lighting it up year 1, so that means someone needs to get in here sooner rather than later.

And people can say "Tom Brady had years where he had no high end targets", but he also had a top 5-10 defense nearly every year and defensive mastermind Belichick. I don't see that happening here, so it's imperative that we maintain a continual flow of quality receivers here, whether that be in the form of WR, TE, or pass catching RBs.

Long story short, doesn't have to be a trade up in the draft or an expensive FA but they better get it right.

They aren’t going to ignore the position either way.

They have a ton of draft capital. I don’t understand why some people (not you or anybody specific except for O.Shitty) talk about it like it’s not a need, or that they can’t afford to take one early.

Cosmos 04-07-2022 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16236974)
I think there’s a middle ground here.

I don’t think we have to trade up for a Jameson Williams, though I’d be fine with it.

But you also can’t go full O.City and not take a WR until the 3rd round.

Make no mistake about it, WR is as big of a need as any position outside of EDGE.

Williams won’t be there at 29.

Good chance that if he’s there at 20, we’re moving up.

OKchiefs 04-07-2022 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16236974)
I think there’s a middle ground here.

I don’t think we have to trade up for a Jameson Williams, though I’d be fine with it.

But you also can’t go full O.City and not take a WR until the 3rd round.

Make no mistake about it, WR is as big of a need as any position outside of EDGE.

Fully on board with this line of thinking. Have too many needs beyond WR and DE, both for starters and depth, to trade multiple picks for a single player that isn't guaranteed to be a hit. Spread the wealth around on multiple players and increase your chances on finding multiple starting caliber players. Don't reach, but if we get to the late 3rd and a WR and DE haven't been taken then something probably went wrong.

staylor26 04-07-2022 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosmos (Post 16236985)
Williams won’t be there at 29.

Good chance that if he’s there at 20, we’re moving up.

I don’t think you understood the point.

I didn’t mean that we can get him at 29/30.

ToxSocks 04-07-2022 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 16236993)
Have too many needs beyond WR and DE.

Yeah?

Where?

Not on Oline.

RB has enough depth and talent to not need anything more than a mid-round flier.

WR lacks a true #1

TE is set, and there's talent behind him worth developing.



DE is an obvious need.

DT is fine.

LB is in a pretty good spot.

S is fine. Don't NEED one per se.

CB is lacking a starter, but mostly its lacking depth. And of course adding a new starter would address the depth.

Need, in order is probably something like:

DE
CB
WR

Those are the only 3 positions where we could reasonably expect to draft a starter. Everything else will be depth for the upcoming season.

The Franchise 04-07-2022 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16237002)
Yeah?

Where?

Not on Oline.

RB has enough depth and talent to not need anything more than a mid-round flier.

WR lacks a true #1

TE is set, and there's talent behind him worth developing.



DE is an obvious need.

DT is fine.

LB is in a pretty good spot.

S is fine. Don't NEED one per se.

CB is lacking a starter, but mostly its lacking depth. And of course adding a new starter would address the depth.

Need, in order is probably something like:

DE
CB
WR

Those are the only 3 positions where we could reasonably expect to draft a starter. Everything else will be depth for the upcoming season.

Agree to disagree, I guess?

DT is definitely a need. Jones and Wharton are the only ones here next year and Jones has a $29M cap hit. He could just as easily be moved next offseason like Hill.

And I'm not arguing that WR isn't a need because it definitely is. I just don't think that spending multiple draft picks to move up for a WR with a torn ACL is the best use of what we have.


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