A tradition like no other

Watched “Four Falls of Buffalo” on Netflix to replace my usual Sunday football.

Enjoy the tears.

OMG! Your team FINALLY did it! Congrats! :thumb: You were right!

Oh wait, you LOST AGAIN! :evil:

Did you hear that the CHIEFS just won the SB back 2 back? Well ya did now! :LOL:

I think they've mistaken "die nasty" for "dynasty."

An easy mistake to make, I guess, after you've dived headfirst into a dozen burning tables.

I actually felt for them some after watching that show. They do support their team. Doesn’t mean I want to see them win a SB, but I understand.

Buffalo sucks, it’s really that simple.

Some really good stats from a Bills fan. Mahomes has owned their defenses.

Bills defense in playoff games, Josh Allen era:

vs Texans - 5.5 yards per play allowed (gave up 19 pts in regulation)

vs Colts - 6.2 yards per play allowed (gave up 24 pts, bills led by 14 pts until late rally)

vs Ravens - 4.7 yards per play allowed (gave up 3 pts)

vs Chiefs - 7.4 yards per play allowed (gave up 38 pts, removed four KC kneel downs for -4 yards)

vs Patriots - 5 yards per play allowed (gave up 17 pts, including a garbage-time TD)

vs Chiefs - 7.6 yards per play allowed (gave up 36 pts in regulation)

vs Dolphins - 3.3 yards per play allowed (gave up 31 pts, but includes defensive score and two other scores via TO)

vs Bengals - 5.9 yards per play allowed (gave up 27 pts, removed two CIN kneel downs for -1 yards)

vs Steelers - 5.1 yards per play allowed (gave up 17 pts, including gift-wrapped score off blocked FG)

vs Chiefs - 8.5 yards per play allowed (gave up 27 pts, removed four KC kneel downs for -6 yards)

The common narrative here is that the Bills defense "comes up short in the playoffs." The truth is, against non Chiefs playoff opponents, the very strong Bills regular season defense has performed the exact same in the playoffs. Against non Chiefs teams (2019 thru 2023), Buffalo's defense gives up an average of 19.7 points and 5.1 yards per play in the playoffs. That's exactly on par with their regular season performance during the same years (2019 thru 2023), where they allowed 19.2 points and 5.14 yards per play.

But against the Chiefs, the Bills come up short. In their 10 playoff games, their three worst games in yards per play have all come against the Chiefs. These aren't just bad performances, they are epic bad, and would rank among their very worst in a sample of 80+ regular season games in that time frame.

Again:

vs non Chiefs: 5.1 yards per play, 19.7 points allowed

vs Chiefs: 7.8 yards per play, 33.6 points allowed

Do you see the difference?

The Bills don't have a playoff defense problem. They don't have a "paper tiger" defense problem.

They have a Patrick Mahomes problem.

McDermott is no stranger to being the red headed stepchild on Saint Patrick's Day

As someone who was heartbroken by his team for 50 years, I guess I’m numb to their pain.

Yeah, sorry for their pain and we have inflicted some more pain on then recently.
But, we went 50 years without a SB. We had so many painful playoff losses. We all shared those on here. We earned our fan happiness.:thumb:

Yeah, I don't really care if they've suffered as a fan base or not. The NFL is not set up to let everyone win the championship on a rotating basis. It is a competition and those who fail don't get to celebrate. If you don't like it, get better at the game of football.

Buffalo has seen their team advance to the Super Bowl 4 times. That is unbelievable success to fans of the Lions, Jaguars, Texans, and Browns who have never seen their team advance to the championship game. Shouldn't they get 4 Super Bowl appearances each before Buffalo gets to go again?

Nobody likes losing. Losing a competition that you desperately want to win is supposed to spur you to improve yourself, or yourselves, to be better. "What did I/we do wrong? How can I/we improve and win the next time?" These are the questions and the answers are important. If you don't come up with the answers, or fail to ask the questions, you put yourself in position to experience the same pain next year.

It has taken the greatness of Mahomes to realize the difference that having a top 10 QB really is come the playoffs. I remembered a ton of those games being so close in the 90's and if not for payer X or Y we would have won those games.

I see now that was never true. Without a top QB you were never going to win those games. The other team was always going to make the play at the end, get that final score that was the difference, or just outlast you and not make the back breaking mistake. The score may have appeared close but we were never winning those games without a franchise QB.

We'll never see another D like the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens. The NFL won't allow it. So even that rare collection of talent that comes around once every 10 years won't even happen to upset the great ones. That exception to the rule has been eliminated. The truly great QB's now dominate like T-Rex's and we have the best of the bunch.

The Bills take the AFC this seasom
 

Some good light early week reading.

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/commun...in-the-league/

A few highlights.

Wow, that last one... ROFL

Maybe that's the same dumbass who wants to move the Chiefs to the NFC so it's more fair to the Bills.

Was Asshole McGee in favor of giving the perfect regular season Patriots a Lombardi because of all that hard work they did compared to the 9-7 Giants? Or did his belief about regular season importance fly out the window because **** the Patriots?

Next on Unexplained Mysteries!

It’s just the mental gymnastics that they need to do. Curious if KC fans were this bad once.

At least on here, people would get laughed at endlessly for takes like those.

The Bills take the AFC this seasom
 

Yeah those quotes I believe were from five different people. Those are not unique posts from that fan base.

I’ll never stop laughing at their fantasy that they just need to be healthy to win and that if they had our injury luck they’d be the dynasty. Which of course ignores we’ve had plenty of our own injuries, including to our QB in the playoffs.

Definitely when it comes to rationalizing the gap between say the Alex Smith Chiefs and the true SB contenders... the "just get in and anything can happen" bullshit, being naive about playoff experience and franchise QBs.

But.... redefining dynasty to include all teams with good regular season records? Yeah, that one is new to me. LMAO

The Ravens and Packers are only two wins behind, so we're currently witnessing 4 dynasties? ROFL

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/bes...m-last-5-years

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The maddening thing about Smith was that he truly possessed the ability to go farther. We all saw flashes of it. That perfect pass he dropped to a streaking Hill in that 2017 Pats game was magical. But then his balls would get sucked back up into his body and he'd morph into Damon Huard.

BUT..... he was a fantastic mentor to Pat, and that makes up for it. Hell, it wouldn't even bother me if the Chiefs tossed him an honorary ring at some point.

no he didn't possess the ability to go farther.

winning a playoff game is the farthest that type of play gets you any more. We've seen what it takes to go farther. And that ain't it.

As far as giving the guy a participation trophy , I think it's insulting to him., the team and everyone else involved. The idea that Smith had much of anything to do with what Mahomes is , is absurd. Look at the preseason games from 2017. Mahomes showed up ready. The things mahomes dies are not anything he got from Smith.

You wanna the guy a participation trophy? LOL. why?

no he didn't possess the ability to go farther.

winning a playoff game is the farthest that type of play gets you any more. We've seen what it takes to go farther. And that ain't it.

As far as giving the guy a participation trophy , I think it's insulting to him., the team and everyone else involved. The idea that Smith had much of anything to do with what Mahomes is , is absurd. Look at the preseason games from 2017. Mahomes showed up ready. The things mahomes does are not anything he got from Smith.

You wanna the guy a participation trophy? LOL. why?

ROFL ROFL ROFL

And the party never ends LMAO

All offseason bros. TEARS!

Well, I think the best reason for giving him one is that it would make your pussy hurt even more. And if you think Smith taking Pat under his wing, as opposed to the treatment he would have received from some douche like Rodgers, isn't important, then you're just a ****ing idiot. Mahomes himself has credited Smith's tutelage as a key to his success on numerous occasions. Maybe you should give him a thumbs down too. LMAO

The Allen is better than Mahomes stuff is to be expected. Same old Manning is a better passer and more talented than Brady even though Brady won all the rings.

Honestly a lot of this stuff is normal rationalization/cope after losing in the playoffs. It's a tough pill to swallow, and we've been there pre-Mahomes, but eventually you have to accept it and move on to next season.

The last comment though is just sad. Wants his team to be recognized for its greatness for doing nothing rather than waiting for them to actually win and earn it.

What do you expect a winner like pat to say? That the game managing mid who we traded away to the Commanders to get out of the way was meaningless in my career?


yes sure give him a participation trophy for letting the trade happen LOL

how about s trophy for not throwing TDs to a WR for a whole season

That's just their weirdo belief that Allen is better than Mahomes as a passer, though. He's really not.

Allen is better than Mahomes at getting trucked on QB runs and looking dopey and stupid at the ends of playoff games. That's about it.

It's what Nick Wright said a year or two ago. There is no Brady/Manning rivalry between Mahomes and Allen. Mahomes gets to be Brady AND Manning. Allen gets to be... old man Brett Favre?

Amazing thing about the Chiefs stats in that link is if you include postseason their winning percentage actually goes up. They have an .875 (14-2) in that 5 years in the playoffs compared with .759 in the regular season. And the number of wins gap goes off the chart. Crazy stuff.

Anyone who thinks allen is a better passer than mahomes is nuts. I think Allen is a better runner but I that is extremely dangerous and they are gonna get burnt by going to those plays too often. Allen can throw some pretty passes .. but Mahomes makes so many plays that just make you go "that was the best play I've ever seen".. And he just keeps doing it over and over... Its glorious.

These are really two different things. His typical style of play wouldn’t get you further, but he had the abilities to play beyond that style. He could have ran more, thrown downfield or past the sticks more, taken more risks, etc but that just wasn’t him.

Allen has the ability to match Pat. I don't know that anyone else really does if they are both just playing at their best.

Burrow probably does as well.

Let me guess - you're one of those clowns who believes that Pat would have won three Super Bowls if the Bears had drafted him, right?

Pat's success was the result of a perfect storm. Not only his immense talent and upside, but going to the right team, with the right coach and the right support system. They all combined to create what we have now. Whether you like it or not, Smith was a part of that, regardless of his on field failures. I hated Smith the quarterback as much as anybody. Nobody was as happy as I was when they traded him away. But Smith the mentor made up for it.

Amazing that I got your labia to swell so much over a post where I likened him to Huard. LMAO

not sure what you mean , I guess.

He was smart, I get that. He was tough. He did have good athletic abilities. But vision is also ability. I think one of the things that separates winning QBs of today is looking downfield. That's why Lamar lost.. he didn't look downfield under pressure. That's also an ability. Keeping your cool and looking downfield. Another one is ball velocity. Mahomes has that extra ball velocity to allow him to hit tighter windows more accurately farther down field. And creativity... making something out of nothing... instead of checking down or shitting your pants. The mental attitude of the killer instinct...

style is a function of your ability... Smith did not have the ability to do these things consistently so it wasn't his style. Pat does and it is.

Yeah it's just cope. Complaints that Mahomes only wins because he has the better team despite being "worse" (not really) compared to Allen.

Let's ignore the fact that Allen for the better part of his career has almost always had a better defense compared to Mahomes and he still can't win the big game. Let's ignore Allen totally had multiple chances to beat us this year, got every lucky bounce possible, and still couldn't put us away.

Eventually, you have to beat the man to be the man.

no that's just you changing the goalposts. I think Reid , Veach , Kelce and also having a crap defense to force Pat to have to score so much... I agree "perfect storm" is a great take.

I just don't think it mattered if it was Alex Smith . he was not important factor in that "storm" . replace Alex Smith with any other QB other than Alex Smith and actually use YOUR logic.

You're telling me we don't win Suberbowls in 2019, 2022, and 2023 if it's a different QB under Reid in 2017. Bullshit and hilarious.

That fanbase is like their QB. It sees a shiny object and freezes staring into. Defense Coordinators probably tell their players to wear something that catches the light. Then use it to distract Allen. The Bills may have to change the rules about all clothing and accessories have a satin finish

Yes, Smith did not have the ability to be Mahomes. Obviously. What he did have is the ability to be better than he was and maybe go a round or two further in the playoffs. But he valued conservative play more than making plays.

It’s not a coincidence that probably his best two seasons, 2012 and 2017, came when he was probably thinking he was in his last season with the respective team and felt pressure to play better. Both seasons were his highest two Y/A and AY/A by a pretty large margin. He had the abilities to be better.

Oh, I'M THE ONE moving the goalposts? That's ****ing rich.

The answer is, who the **** knows? Would Pat have weathered the storm had Smith been a truculent, petty douche to the guy he absolutely knew was going to take his job, who was selected specifically because he wasn't good enough? Probably, but not as well. And what effect would it have had on the team and Reid's handling of things, if they had to deal with a bunch of internal butthurt and infighting?

It all mattered. Every little bit of it.

Spott for Mod

Allen is 5-5 in the playoffs playing with better defenses than Mahomes until this year. Mahomes is 15-3 and 3-0 head to head. What more need be said?

Well done fellas. LMAO

But, but, but injuries and defensive failures and bad coaching……besides all that they are better and the true dynasty. If that doesn’t work then just change the rules, eliminate the playoffs, or move KC to the NFC.

I've never felt more proud. Great job, gentleman. Well done.

I love how every opposing board views us as the scum of the earth ROFL

I wouldn't want it any other way. Best place to talk football by far.

Allen's playoff record

2019 Choked
2020 Choked
2021 Did Not Choke ( In a game with no NFL safeties and shitty corners falling down over and over and vanilla D)

2022 Choked
2023 Choked

WE DID IT!!!!

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That’s the .gif that keeps on giving.

This guy thinks CP is a dynasty. PBJ

Well, they can keep their regular season dynasty then. I much prefer KCs dynasty.

THAT is amazing! LMAO

I don't recall the "mothers getting gang raped" bit. The rest of it? Well..... LMAO

The fact that that was even a post on here doesn't phase me one bit. This isn't the place for the faint of heart. Hell, we aren't typically nice to other Chiefs fans, even after we get to know you a bit. It's kill or be killed. I've been here for 24 years and I wouldn't want it any other way o:-)

Pfft, we don't tell people to swallow acid either. F'n amateurs

Bills fans complain about the OT rules, complain about the refs, complain about not playing us at home in the playoffs (before this year) and complain that CP is scary and mean. That’s some big beta energy if I ever saw it.

Oh and their owner pays them 20$ an hour to shovel out their stadium!

Check out the 4:35 mark. LMAO

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Other boards: "You're pretty ****ed up for telling people to drink antifreeze"

Chiefs Planet: "You're pretty ****ed up or NOT telling people to drink antifreeze"

:LOL:

Let's not forget the whining and complaining about how unfair it was to them that they didn't finish their game against Cincinnati.

fify

I mean, what kind of inhospitable ****s do not offer someone an antifreeze cocktail to quench their thirst for life? It’s just good manners.

A Bills fan who isn't addicted to copium makes this this point:

Who responds to him after that for the last two pages of that thread?

*crickets*

That's called a fan that hasn't spent the last decade+ vaulting himself off the hood of their cars onto a flaming folding table, only to stand up and scream "Josh Allen is better than Mahomes!!!!" while being rushed to the hospital for brain damage and 3rd degree burns. There's a few of them out there, but not many...

yes. YOU moved the goalposts you illiterate dipshit. Go back and read your own quote the. read mine.

All I said was Smith wasn't relevant in winning our rings. You then tried putting words in my mouth pretending my argument was Mahomes couldve gone anywhere like the bears...LOL... Which is completely different than what I said. I'm sorry you can't read your own words.. but just click on that red thingy and slow down and sound out the words. I even agreed with your perfect storm analogy EXCEPT for the Smith part...


Fraz still to this day after 7 years and 3 rings:


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The kiss blown to Bills fan is ROFL

Good luck with that… LMAO

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What? You mean there won't be a strong market for a 35 year old broke dick DE? That might be one of the dumbest tweets I've seen in a while.

They can free up the same cap space by cutting him as a June 1 designee, which is what is far more likely.

It looks like they would still have $32MM in dead cap over the 24 & 25 seasons, unless I'm reading it wrong

No one is trading for Von. His best days are long gone.

They thought they had their Frank Clark. The only blood Von smelled was in his stool

Yeah, it would let them spread the cap hit for his bonus structures and guarantees over this year and next instead of just this year. A post June 1 trade would save them about 11m over those two years, I assume because of salary guarantees.

I can't see a team helping the Bills out that way, unless the Bills kick in a draft pick upgrade as part of it.

They really painted themselves into a corner with the Miller contract.

ROFL


No one wants Von Miller at 5 million, let alone trading for him and taking on his contract.

The Bills would have to give a team a 1st and a 2nd to unload him.

I'd trade for Von Miller. Give us a 3rd rounder and eat most of his salary and we'll take him off your hands.

If some wild and crazy thing happens where we end up with Von you know he will make a huge play or two against the Bills in the playoffs. LMAO

Someone should tell tanner that this isn't Madden.

He’s simply the best there is.

Man but that one time in 2022 he looked REALLY good!!!

…while going 1-1

2 bills drive...Allen will never win a title. 2 years tops playing as wreckless as he does and he'll never be the same after the hits take their toll. Meanwhile in KC we may have 5 titles at that point