Talking about reality. Chiefs won the Super Bowl and Chris Jones was DPOY finalist.

You think Nick Bosa becoming no.1 or no. 2 highest paid defender in the league by the 49ers, is going to have no effect on how Chiefs players view their job if Chiefs best offer to Jones is not as good as TJ Watt got last year?

The mother****ers on chiefs planet that do not like to see athletes get paid are not exactly like the players in the Chiefs locker room.

Pat left money on the table so others could get paid. What I want is to see Chris pay it forward, NOT stop the money train at Jonesboro.

I just doesn't make sense to hold out. We signed him to a lot the last time. He is still currently the 8th highest paid player of his position.
From what we are offering to what he wants is literally the games he will miss. He is pissing away ten million dollars to get ten extra million?

Were his best years when he wanted new contracts? Last year and end of rookie deal?

If it goes that far. Hopefully he comes back angry and dominates. Because if he comes back and does nothing or gets injured he is out way more money.

At his age if we keep him going forward and with most players. Start giving them good base salaries with bonuses to keep them hungry.
Ten million a year, million a sack to 10. Then another 10 million at 16 sacks. Something like that.

^^^^^Exactly Right.^^^^^

Pay for results.

Would make it hard ta calculate the cap, tho.

Hey Michael Katz thanks for posting! Could you tell Jones to fire you and come back with a contract in his hand that makes him the highest paid DT at $24.5M please.

Pretty sure nothing the Rams GM does should be copied.

Highest paid DE is TJ Watt at $28M a year. Trade Jones for Bosa and give him the money that we supposedly offered CJ and move on. (Edit: Website I looked at originally had old numbers)

Your comparing different positions here. Bosa becoming the highest paid edge rusher over TJ Watt would mean just making $29M! Jones to do the same at DT would be signing for $24.5M.

It's like saying Justin Jefferson was a finalist with Mahomes for OPOY so he should get paid $50M a year.

Nick Bosa is significantly younger than Jones.

Nah, Mr. Katz is going to tell Jones that Joey Bosa and Nick Bosa and TJ Watt have missed more games in the last 2 seasons than Jones has missed his whole career, why are they getting more than Jones when Chiefs do not have to pay an elite edge rusher on a second contract?

I’m not one of those people who has any problem with how much these athletes are paid. I work in an industry that’s compensated similarly and know people who make multiples of what Chris Jones will make with whatever deal he ends up signing. This is the market for talent in the NFL - I encourage all players to try to maximize their earnings.

But first, Bosa and Watt are younger and play a premium position, and those are important differences. You think Bolton is like, “The Chiefs only offered 27mm/yr to CJ instead of 30mm/yr. This team doesn’t value its players and now I feel more inclined to leave!” No way.

Second, the idea that this team doesn’t pay its defensive players? Come on. This team is still struggling with the Frank Clark contract. CJ’s last contract was third in the league in AAV at the time and tied for first in guaranteed money for a defensive player.

Step off the ledge. You’d be a terrible GM if you operated out of fear like this.

Yeah, and Nick Bosa missed most of 2018 at Ohio State and most of 2020 at 49ers and his brother Joey is same draft class as Jones and has 84 regular season games played compared to Jones 107 regular season games played.

You have these workout warrior white guys from football families with injury histories and one of them is holding out just like Jones is now and the stupid mother****ers on chiefs planet are like oblivious to those guys and their contracts and holdouts when pissing and moaning about Chris Jones and his agents.

Well, I think an extension gets done, but you are a fool if you think not getting an extension done will not be noticed by the players.

Everybody knows what the Bosas and the Watts get paid and how many games those guys have missed.

:LOL: What an absolutely awful, emotional take.

Do you think the 49ers and Steelers are getting discounts because those players have missed time? Absolutely not.

So why would players in the locker room be factoring that in?

They will notice, but they also understand that it's a business and just giving in to whatever he demands will only hurt them due to the finite amount of money on the cap. It's not like Veach/Hunt are hoarding Jones' money to buy a new yacht. Thinking that this will impact them negatively is similar to saying that the players will notice and react negatively because of RB contracts.

The crux of the matter is race in your opinion?

I could care less about other teams holdouts.....the Chiefs are my team!!!!!

My God... you are an emotional wreck. Locker rooms are the great melting pot, if you can play, it doesn't matter what color you are... period. Bosa Brothers are great talents at a premium position and younger. Chris Jones got a great second contract at the time, and was on pace to parlay his best season ever into the top paid DT 3rd contract, behind Aaron Donald. The Aaron Donald contract was not smart and is an outlier and the effects it had on that Rams roster has been devastating. If the contract is $25-$26m for 4 with $70m guaranteed, jones should take it. If not, he bares the consequence, because I don't want the Chiefs overpaying for aging Vets. That's a good way to shut your window well ahead of time.

Also, if you think the locker room loves this, you are wrong. If Jones is getting a fair offer and the Chiefs caved and gave him more, that's just less of a pie for the other guys.

This has just gone past the stage of “Well, props to the guy for trying to maximize what he’s getting paid.”

If he doesn’t show up in the next 48hrs, he likely hurts himself financially in the short, medium, and long term while also making the team demonstrably worse.

I just can’t get past stupid and unreasonable, and I think fans finally have a very solid leg to stand on when they’re extremely disappointed with the course he’s chosen.

Nose cut off. Face spited. No one wins.

How the else would you describe the Bosas and the Watts and how many games missed due to injury?

Yeah other elite defenders are never going to notice how those guys always get paid and always miss games.

And the fact that all of these comments by anyone else in this thread make no mention at all of Nick Bosa and his agent doing the same thing and not reporting.

Like stupid mother****ers on chiefs planet like badmouthing our player and his agent and accept without question a Bosa or Watt being the highest paid injured mother****ers in the world.

WTF?!?!

What a race baiting reeruned jackass. Take your bullshit racist crap and kindly go **** yourself.

Nick Bosa is a 49er... So that's one reason I don't give a shit. Second, this is his first real pay day, his 2nd contract, he's 25 and really good when healthy. If I'm the 49ers I would be careful with the injury history of the amount I was paying and what is guaranteed. The Chiefs did Jones fairly on his 2nd contract, extremely fair. He is now older and you have to be very careful and not overpay based on emotion. We seem to have figured this out, thank God. It sucks to lose great players, but if you offer a fair deal, and they won't take it, you move on.

Wow! You should go let your Mommy hold you and make you feel better. Most on here think Veach is probably smarter than you, FYI.

It’s jettio, shit takes like that are kind of his thing.

Yeah, I'm sure the players would think very highly of the Chiefs front office if they let Chris Jones butt**** our cap, preventing us from re-signing our young talent and winning potential super bowls.

Oh those noble Chiefs, they pay their aging stars!

CJ isn't completely innocent here probably but I will continue to blame his dumb F agents until something is proven otherwise

Why was Lamar Jackson paid so handsomely despite missing games and (rumored) willfully missing the playoff game last year when his team needed him? Reason is that he is still young and when he does play he is a force. Plus he's a league MVP. You would have an argument if Jones was 25-26 or if other elite defenders were getting shafted. Just because one person does something does not mean others should just follow. Case in point Deshaun Watson.

Now people might not be badmouthing Bosa on here like Jones because they are not following Bosa because he is not a Chief. At this point nothing Jones is doing is benefitting him which many on here are saying. Also if KC was lowballing Jones and he refused it and people on here bad mouthed Jones you would have a point.

There have been zero signs that KC is doing that. They appear to want to make him the 2nd highest paid DT in football. But that contract would most likely be closer to the current #2 and not Donald. If accurate then Jones is the problem. KC can't just pay him close to $30 million a year AAV with a ton guaranteed as he pushes 30 and will most likely start to decline. Doing so hurts the team long term in signing other players that will come due. Jones has to be willing to budge some and to sit out like he is shows bad faith on his part.

It's all Jones on this one. His agent works for him and not the other way around. Nothing about Jones strikes me as he is Forrest Gump dumb. He knows the deal and is continuing on this path.

The post you quoted says nothing at all about race.

I did not know chiefsplanet was so into the Watts and the Bosas and their right to always be the highest paid injured mother****ers.

Guys, let's just take a second to realize that jettio has no clue what he's talking about as he's arguing from a foundation that has no base support.

He keeps mentioning TJ Watt and his injuries.

Meanwhile, in reality, when Watt signed his contract before the 2022 season (after a 22.5 sack campaign where he was the DPOY), he had missed a total of 4 games in 5 seasons.

https://www.nfl.com/news/t-j-watt-re...20availability.

But yes, Bolton and Sneed will definitely take note of this!! Thanks for your contribution to this thread, clown.

Well, to be fair, you're the one that described the Watts/Bosas as "Workout warrior WHITE GUYS . . ."

you dug it . . .

How many of those high wage earners don't show up while under contract?

I'm all for a person trying to maximize their earnings. I'm also all for a person to live up to the contractual obligations they signed on to.

Right. We have a chance to build something special here and in order to do that sacrifices must be made. If not then players will more than likely get traded. Veach sent this message last offseason w the Tyreek trade but apparently Jones and his agent did not get the message.

Neither side has leaked numbers.

An extension will be the best thing for the team, there would be a cost to the Chiefs in not getting a deal done and if the truth the other players learn is that the 49ers made Nick Bosa no. 1 or no. 2 highest paid defender and the Chiefs do not offer Jones, at least, Joey Bosa or TJ Watt money, it will not be good for morale of the team.

Or even the league, for that matter. How much will Jerry Jones have to pay Micah Parsons to answer for how ****ed up it is that teams and fans never question an injured-ass Bosa or an injured-ass Watt always getting the deal they demand?

That is the reality of the situation.

Oh woah. Is jettio being reeruned again. Who could've saw that coming.

But it's not and I already laid it out for you whether you want to believe it or not.

Really. Someone leaked he was asking for $31.5 and Jones hasn't disputed this, so most likely it's someone within the Chiefs leaking that info. If what the Chiefs were offering was not fair, the Jones team would have leaked it long ago... that's how these things work.

Did someone in the organization just hand out cards for this guy?

So are you familiar with the Bay Area NFL team called the 49ers and the Nick Bosa situation?

Here is the link to the client list of that agent who has his client using the same approach.

https://fanspo.com/nfl/agents/brian-ayrault/37036

Bullshit. Nobody has leaked any numbers.

Anyway, the Bosas and the Watts are oft injured and always get the deal they want.

And have any of their injuries been because of another player falling on a joint or getting hit by another player?

They always seem to get some testing the limits of physiology injury and just miss games.

Yeah, but TJ Watts 2021 hold-in and Nick Bosa not reporting at the same time that Chris Jones does not report is wisdom and smart representation and Jones' agent must be dumb and inexperienced.

At least TJ Watt tied the sack record in 2021, and waited until 2022 to miss games for a torn pec.

I suppose we will see how it plays out. I expect Nick Bosa and Chris Jones will get extensions this week, but we will just have to see.

Bosa probably gets more than $30 million AAV with 3 years guaranteed.

Chiefs should be willing to offer at least $28 million AAV with 2024 and 2025 guaranteed. If they never offer that, that would be a mistake.

Can we rewind to the part where you have no idea what you're talking about with respect to TJ Watt's injury history? Can you acknowledge that before you keep throwing out this misinformation to mislead people here in support of your weak argument?

There is a reason why the Bosas and the Watts have empty trophy cases.

I dunno I just don’t think this is a great reflection on Veach /FO when you consider we’ve been through at least 3 very nasty contract disputes with Hill/OBJ/Jones - and lost them all.

Add to that we don’t seem to be able to bring in any quality free agents where it’s required (wR)


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Nobody here, that I’ve seen, has claimed the tactics employed by Watt and Bosa are “wise”. The argument is that it isn’t a fair comparison to CJ due to age and position. I’ve no doubt that if either of those “white guys” were in KC trying to torpedo a shot at a repeat the reaction would be the same as it is now with CJ.

Just knock it the **** off already.

Lost them all?

I guess you're forgetting when we signed Chris Jones last time. When we signed Hill before this last time. When we didn't overpay for OBJ and that's a good thing. When we kept Mahomes at reasonable value. When we kept Kelce at reasonable value.

And as for WR, did we not have JuJu at the exact point when it was required? How about Sammy Watkins?

Yeah, I guess if you just want to view things in a negative light, this front office has failed to do anything positive.

I just can’t even with this right now…

Really?

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/08/25/ch...d-level-salary

Someone's the source...

Wut

Lost them all?

They won a championship the same year they traded Hill. I’d say that’s a win.

Not paying OBJ stupid money is also a win in everyone’s book except yours apparently.

Veach has brought in countless free agents that contributed HUGE to the Chief’s success.

Good lord.

You can go ahead and provide your information to help save the stupid mother****ers around here from being misled.

You may not need to worry, you might be the only one who reads what I post.

If you are a TJ Watt fan, I recommend you not cast a spell on him by claiming he is some exception.

Humor? Sarcasm? Troll? Maybe time for an intervention? You’re too smart to have a take that bad.

Well they ended up paying similarly ‘stupid’ money for another player who we don’t know that much about at this point.

As for Hill, my point being like Jones and OBJ we seem to be a magnet for these kind of vicious disputes in a way other teams do not? Guess we’re just unlucky


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In what world did he lose the Hill and OBJ contract issues? Traded Hill for 5 picks and won the SB. Won the SB and got better at LT letting OBJ walk.

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AFAIK in both cases the team ‘wanted’ to resign both.

My point was he lost the players. Obviously the eventual outcome worked out ok but it clearly wasn’t the plan to ship them out.


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That's bullshit.

How naive do you have to be to think that is a leak from either side?

Does not say anything about what was offered or asked for.

“Vicious disputes”?

Is it possible you’re exaggerating how these went because you’re a fan of the Chiefs while also ignoring that these sorts of situations arise with most others teams in the NFL?

Sounds like you’re describing a GM who refuses to overpay and knows how to replace expensive talent with draft picks and reasonable free agents, while continuing to be the class of the entire NFL.

Fair enough


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We’re in no way unique—I think you’re just not paying attention to other teams’ nasty, public contract disputes because you’re a Chiefs fan.

Nick Bosa? Jonathan Taylor? Zack Martin?

Hell, even Emmitt Smith missed games during a holdout in the early 90s.

Put the crack pipe down.

The Chris Jones situation is unique because of Aaron Donald. His contract is entirely off market. I would take the next 4 years of Quinnen Williams at 24/yr than the next 4 for CJ at 28/yr 10/10 times and I’m sure most GMs in the NFL would as well.

Well, making a qualitative judgment of Jones and his agent's tactics looks incomplete if you do not mentiion that Nick Bosa's agent who has star client list including Joe Burrow and Justin Jefferson is doing the same tactics and likely asking for a higher price.

OBJ ended up getting less in free agency than what the Chiefs offered him last summer.

Only to you because you are choosing to ignore differences in the situations.

For starters? Defensive Players of the Year.

Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and TJ Watt have been demonstrably BETTER players than Chris Jones. So THATS probably now I'd describe them.

I mean you could start there before 5 paragraphs of thinly veiled accusations of racism and ridiculous histrionics.

Bullshit. this whole thread ignores the similarities of the situation and talks about Jones and his agents as being wrong because the agents do not have a lot of clients and no other star players like Jones.

Nick Bosa and his agent are using the same tactics and his agent has plenty of star clients.

Or maybe winning two super bowls makes these guys want top dollar regardless of whether it's conducive to sustained success or not.

Nick Bosa is on his rookie contract so his holdout fines can be waived.

Not the case with Chris Jones and his hold out fines… which is why any legit agent would not be advising his client to hold out under the new rules of the current CBA.

Right? I mean, it wasn't but a few days ago there was a thread on the main page discussing Diggs missing camp. These things happen to other teams as well. We aren't unique in this.

There is a little bit more to it than them both using the same tactics.

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Can someone please take Jettio’s keyboard away?

Anyways, when Jones was in the position Bosa is now, the Chiefs didn’t let it get to this point in the season and made Jones one of the highest ever defensive players. Pretending their situations now are the same is just idiotic.

Hill and the chiefs had something ironed out until the wide reciever market exploded. The chiefs were then very transparent with hill that they wouldn't participate at that price and allowed him to seek a trade. That doesn't sound nasty.

OBJ literally took a shittier deal from a worse team, because the chiefs gave him their best offer and he over priced himself. That's not on the chiefs.

I will not be surprised if, once again, it comes out that the chiefs put their best foot forward in negotiations and unrealistic expectations from the player and/or his agent resulted in an impasse.

Imagine relying on an agent with this client base to negotiate your final lucrative NFL contract…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Players on active NFL<br>rosters represented by The Katz Brothers per NFLPA records. <br><br>DT Chris Jones, KC <br>TE Jody Fortson, KC<br>WR Keith Kirkwood, NO <br>WR Olamide Zaccheaus, PHI<br>WR DeMarcus Robinson, LAR <br>WR Byron Pringle, WAS <br>CB Chandon Sullivan, PIT <br>RB Jordan Mason, SF</p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1691177703343300608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 14, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Anyone with a long memory is probably making comparisons to Neil Smith.

Neil got ****ed by his agent, too.

Remember the interview when Neil found out KC made him a better offer than Denver did and his agent never told him? He had the look of complete disgust. I bet CJ95 will get to that point.

Mahomes just needs to make a phone call and this gets done.

Hell cut him a check. :D

What don’t you get about different position markets?

We all have read reports that Jones was looking for $30+ million. That is about 20% higher than the next DT at $24M!

20% higher for edge rusher would put Bosa asking for about $35M!

Nothing against Jones at all. He is an elite DT and should be the top paid DT at $24.5M. Just like Bosa should be paid as the top edge rusher at about $30M. Both can be right without putting them in the same basket.

Oh and damn I’m guessing you were PISSED when Veach draft Karlaftis!!!! Veach should have taken Logan Hall that went only a few picks later! Oh wait he might have mixed parents. That ok with you?