Disagree with Seth, Moore barely got a finger tip on it.

Still holding out hope. I think he'll be fine by the end of the season.

Not surprising considering his height.

He should've caught that. It was challenging but one that he should've hauled in.

Huh. Hes terrible. I recall saying that but I'm obviously wrong

You also bitched endlessly about Veach trading away Tyreek

Big facts, but to be fair we all had a lot of knee jerk reactions.

I don’t think anyone said “great move Veach” when the news broke.

It's on its way down and he gets two hands on it - that should be caught. Would've been a nice catch, but any swinging dick can catch balls that hit him in the chest (well, evidently not Toney, but MOST swinging dicks...)

If this guy is what this thread insists he is, he has to catch that ball. He needed to catch the other deeper shot he missed on the scramble drill as well.

Buuuuuut - he's undersized so the catch was harder than it needed to be because of it. And he's not gonna get any taller or more explosive. yesterday he looked every bit the small and athletically limited prospect he appeared to be last year. But MORE critically, his chemistry with Mahomes just really doesn't exist. Mahomes barely even looks at him in the route.

It's early. The performance itself isn't worth hitting a panic button over (I guess). But man, the complete lack of chemistry between those two after a couple of full camps and a full season of play is really alarming.

Ultimately the lack of chemistry is bigger issue than the drops. Even before the 2nd half when he was out there gacking anything thrown his way, Mahomes was simply not incorporating him into the progressions at all. Seemed to barely notice he was out there. By the time Toney had melted down and Mahomes had no real alternative, Moore just started dropping things. But before that was the REAL issue that suggests a long-term concern.

Mahomes doesn't look his way. At all.

Perfect comparison so far. He's been so disappointing.

There’s shock in the days after the trade.

There’s doubt that crept in during the offseason when you looked at last year’s WRs.

And then there’s being an absolute dumb**** like that guy was doing

His hands are suppose to be his thing. "Big hands". People wouldn't STFU about his hand size. Me, a known "hater" of Moore ( I aint gonna lie, I was PISSED when we traded down and took him instead of just drafting Pickens), still expected him to be able to do his "thing" well.

And I still do.

Skyy will be counted on this season. He needs to put it together.

A hard catch, yes. But NFL receivers need to catch that.

I think this is fair re chemistry, and I say this as one of the Moore stans here. I still feel there are enough athletic traits for him to be a good player, and in all honesty I think Mahomes SHOULD look his way a little more. But it doesn't seem to be happening.

I would like to submit my paperwork and take my L, so I admit DJLN was right about Skyy Moore and the trade down in general.

Skyy looks terrible and Kinnard isn't even on the 53 anymore while Pickens looks awesome.

I'm not too frustrated bc well...the rest of that draft class is ****ing awesome and Ross has shown some good stuff in week 1.

So white flags and all DJ, but don't get too cocky mother****er. Justin Watson shows you can't win em all.

This guy might be the turd in the punch bowl. Toney gets a pass but this guy is reaching CEH level.

This is how I feel about his potential to be anything

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George Pickens>Skye Moore

What I don't understand is how the coaches are so into this guy.

Ritchie James is a competent veteran that can play slot and get open.

The biggest mystery is why the coaches thought Skyy was better.

Sit Moore, get James more involved.

More James and JWat, less Skyy and KT.

Skyy has seniority as a 2nd round draft pick with a season in the system.

As ive been saying all off-season, Skyy will be given enough rope to hang himself with and then you'll see James start eating his snaps.

But James has done stuff in the league, Moore has no resume as a NFL receiver.

Play James and makes Skyy work towards his job. I doubt he takes it.

The coaches also play CEH just because he's a 1st round pick. They are trying to save face.

If Skyy Moore was a 5th round pick with all else being the same, he's likely riding the bench.

Not that I'm the biggest fan of Moore, but it's Week 1 of his second season and he's already done for you guys? Seems like an exceptionally short leash.

It was over his head and not sure if Watson coming across affected it but it barely hit his left hand. Really tough catch. Man Jet was wide open but that might have been a really tough throw.

Agree with you about the chemistry etc with Moore. I heard all these great things about his TC so I was more disappointed in him than Toney.

yes please

Kinda just want to see more of Rice. I don't care where and whose snaps he takes.

Look at the post counts in this thread. It's DJ, Staylor and Me.

I was absolutely seething when the Chiefs took Moore. So much so that i didn't even initially post in the thread because i was too busy calming myself down.

And yet i've done my best to be about as positive as i can about Skyy while still expressing my issues with that we've seen.

No one took more heat than DJ and I about Skyy for telling CP the goddamn truth and yet here i am still trying to maintain a positive outlook on the guy to the best of my ability when everyone who told us we were wrong are already jumping ship.

I think i've been very, very, very patient and positive about the guy considering i've never been so pissed about a player being drafted in my life. And I'm STILL giving him rope because Mahomes/Reid.

The receiving core must follow Kelce's lead. Or they had bad Taco Tico before the game

How much more do we need to see? We can debate his strengths and weaknesses as a player all we want, but the key factor is Mahomes apparently doesn't trust him and has negative chemistry with him. And that's with two off season programs together.

How dare you say that. Bearcat and Twisted should be along any second to silence your muzzle. :eek:

However, I applaud you sir! :clap:

Moore: 29 Routes, 3 Targets

Rice: 12 Routes, 5 Targets

KT: 11 Routes, 5 Targets

Am I Cherry picking? Sure. But it's still worth noting.

Not saying I'm wrong about Skyy, but I'm ****ing wrong.

Moore is either terrible at reading zone...has no instincts for the position..doesn't have chemistry with Mahomes..or maybe it's all of those.

I came to this thread only to see what you had to say, and you didn't disappoint.

This could be recency bias, but it seems like the typical Skyy Moore incompletion involves him being in the middle of the field, leaping, and the ball being high and going off his hands. Or, there was a timing throw last night that came in behind him, and he got his hands on it but didn't catch it.

So is he not getting to where he's supposed to be? Does he just not have any chemistry with Mahomes yet? Doesn't know how to alter his route in the way the QB expects, responding to the coverage he sees? Is his size limiting his catch radius too much vs others in the NFL?

Difficult and contested catches were supposed to be his thing and he was supposed to be a hands guy. Something doesn't quite make sense there.

These dudes should be thrilled it's Mahomes...if this was Rodgers Skyy Moore wouldn't be a starter at this point.

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He sucked last year. Sucked during preseason. Sucked during regular season opener.

The guy just sucks.

Must CATCH!...:shake:

I enjoy the excuse of "those guys crossing his eyes effected the play"

That one goes in the annals of legendary Mahomes plays if anyone else is running that route.

We probably wouldn't even remember that it was Pringle or Drob or Dieter or Marcus Kemp who caught it, but we'd remember this like so many other impossible plays where Mahomes pulled a rabbit out of his hat on a gotta-have-it play

i wonder if skyy has small hands

You gonna vote for him?

It's the opposite. He had the biggest hands among receivers in his draft class.

Fuggit. Get me a seat on the Justyn Ross hype train because Ross catches that.

I think it's possible Moore is just a turd.

:facepalm:

Possible?

He's played in 21 career games.

Without looking, what do you think his average stat line is per game?

Rashee Rice showed more in about 5 minutes sooo

I had to do the math three times because I thought there was NO WAY it was this bad.

1.2 catches for 12.7 yards.

It's on par, in a no Kelce game he had a 7.7 target share with no catches..

He isn't any good.

Also 1 total touchdown.......1

Where have most of the Skyy defenders gone?

They’ll be back when he inevitably makes a play or two this year.

Still a long season so he could potentially turn things around. He just hasn’t shown anything that would lead us to believe he will.

I know you Brits have weird names for everything, but in this country it’s called the Air Force

The Skyy Defenders I'm talking about are more like Flight MH370.

We are watching the SB TD he got! GO SKYYYYYY

Yeah, it'd be more impressive than the 4th and 9 against Baltimore. This was a 4th and 25.

Skyy could go away with his only TD being in a SB win. That’s kind of legendary but that play was wide the **** open. I’m convinced this guy ****ing sucks.

He just isn't "football smart." Clearly is athletic but has no clue how to read the defenders and find the open spot.

Just seems like the game is too fast for him. Can't read defenses properly and constantly seems out of position.

Give me more Rashee, less Skyy.

I wonder how much has to do with the level of competition he piled up numbers against in the MAC.

Things probably come a lot easier when you're playing against Bowling Green

The people who were okay with cutting Ihmir Smith-Marwhatever said that whilst his numbers were good he was up against mostly backups. Well, let's take some time to have a look at Skyy Moore's production against the same shitty backups.

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Lots of great players have come out of mid-major conferences... Jerry Rice, Antonio Gates, Willie Lanier, Deacon Jones... hell, Pacheco is doing well. Skyy MEHoore is just a guy. Unfortunate reality. Sample size proves it thus far.

Hell, our rook out of SMU outperformed him in his very first game.

With everything that's been said, i still maintain my expectations of roughly 2-3 catches per game for 30-40 yards for Moore.

What pisses me off is that Skyy was touted as a route runner who could find the zones and was a very good hands catcher with those 10+ mits.

He hasn't looked as advertised

Yeah ill agree with this. These were his supposed strengths and he's shown none of them. If he can't do at least that, then I don't see how you keep him on the field.

If we are 21 games into his career in year 2 and the Chiefs coaching staff is putting him out there as a starter because they don't see these things...or they are doing it because of his draft spot...that's very concerning.

That seems like it's very reasonable from the outside looking in. The fact that his play hasn't made him be a target enough to catch 3 balls a game is pretty concerning.

The whole "Could find the zones" thing was something CP completely made up as everyone was infatuated with him being the next Wes Welker. That was purely projection based on his size and skillset.

Because quite frankly if he CAN'T do that, then he really can't do much of anything at all. That HAS to be his niche.

Pacheco's school has been in the Big Ten for 9+ years. I wouldn't lump him in with guys who came from really small schools like Jerry Rice. That said, I think a Jerry Rice is a massive exception to the rule. It's hard to trust guys at the lower level to turn into really good players in the NFL.

He was supposed to be the guy who moves the chains. I'm not throwing in the towel on him but it doesn't seem like that he will be even targeted enough to make a significant impact.

This game in general felt similar to the Tampa Super Bowl with all the bad drops by the receiving group, but this play in particular felt similar to Mahomes' insane "horizontal" throw that bounced off the receiver's facemask on 4th down in the end zone. Both plays featured amazing throws in a clutch situation, but the receiver just couldn't finish the plays.

You really hope these receiver guys can figure this out moving forward. Surely it can't be as bad as what we saw last night.

There's a zillion different examples of this that all kinda make me chuckle.

Nichols Law of Catchers Defense is one of them - any catcher that can't hit gets a reputation for being a strong defensive catcher even if, like Tony Cruz, they can't actually play defense for shit either.

Or "I'm not book smart but I'm street smart..." Oh really? You mean by any conventional method of measuring intelligence you are actually kinda dumb but in this really nebulous manner that only you can define you're actually brilliant? Interesting how that works out...

And finally, the infamous "Frank Clark sets the edge" and it's stupid cousin "Frank Clark's just doing what he's asked in the defense...".

Anytime someone's just objectively bad at something that's easily quantifiable or measurable, that person's defenders rush to come up with some nebulous metric whereby they are obviously great so as to justify their defense if that person.

So when Skyy Moore is struggling to make contested catches or beat guys in man and when he doesn't demonstrate plus deep speed, consistent route running or even a versatile route tree it becomes "Well he can beat the zone"...

It's just a thing people said to defend the guy when there wasn't something else concrete to say because all the concrete defenses are pretty easily dismissed.

Skyy Moore has never demonstrated any more ability to find holes in the zone than he has to beat man coverage or reach items on high shelves at the grocery store.

He's never shown anything terribly useful at the NFL level. Time will tell if that continues to be the case but the way this staff has spoken of and treated Rashee Rice, and the way Mahomes has been willing to utilize him - when contrasted with Moore - says a LOT about what they're seeing when we aren't around.

And it ain't great.

I banged on Mahomes a couple times into the 3rd quarter because he really wasn't playing terribly well. But he played just well enough to give them a punchers chance in the 4th. And in the 4th they had the ball on their racket and Mahomes had started to dial it in a little bit.

And then his teammates fully and finally ****ed a goat to undo any forward momentum Mahomes was building. Those last two drives were just staggeringly inept around PM as PM was starting to look more like the Death Star version of himself.

It SHOULD'VE been one of those Elway games where Mahomes was just off enough to make sure he needed a 4th quarter comeback and found that extra gear in the 4th to get it done. But alas, his teammates just puked all over their shoes.

It was rough.

Yeah because he totally mistimed his jump. He was behind everyone.

GOD ****ING DAMMIT CATCH THE ****ING BALL

Hell - I thought I'd gone pretty easy on him.

At this rate Detox and I will be the ones DEFENDING him in 3 weeks...

I don't really see him much differently than I've ever seen him - someone with a TON of learning to do who can develop into a decent 3rd option in a passing game someday.

But for all the fire we took as 'haters' last year, he was further away from contributing than even Detox and I expected. So it's possible that what I hoped we'd see in year 2 may not come until year 3. And to be honest, in a perfect world, we will have pretty much layered the guy by then.

I don't 'hate' the guy, but he just has to be so damn precise to be effective and thus far he's demonstrated that he's anything but.

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Isn't it great that after this year we'll finally get to see CEH stop getting carries........only to be replaced by the WR version of CEH Skyy Moore.