Agree with this it took him and Marcus Allen to get Marty S to an AFC championship game.

Serious talk about the 49ers:

After watching the breakdown done by their version of Seth Kaysor, it’s going to be really interesting seeing how the Chiefs attack the 49ers Cover 3 looks.

I’m interested to see if the 49ers try to go to a dime look like San Diego, or if they try to use their nickel set and rely on the speed of Warner and Alexander/Greenlaw to make it work.

That seems to be what their guy thinks San Francisco is going to do.

They tried that, basically, last year, and KC found a ton of success throwing it. They actually ran the ball really poorly despite Hunt’s presence. Ford and Bosa are big additions, obviously, to the 49ers pass rush that change the equation a bit... but it will come down to patience and decision making.

I think the Chargers athleticism in the secondary and specifically Derwin James have been the keys to “slowing” KC (though I think it should be noted KC is averaging 30 PPG against them the past 2 years, with the low output being a game played on a horrible field that negated some of KC’s speed).

Going to be interesting to watch, for sure.

For KC, I think the pass defense will be really interesting. The Chiefs have been excellent-elite against deep passes this year, but Samuel and Kittle’s YAC ability is scary. I expect Spagnuolo to try to muddy up the middle of the field with disguised coverage to help with that, too.

Overall, it’s going to require a really strong fundamental effort all the way around from Kc’s D. DL and LB have to flow and fill their gaps against the zone blocking scheme. LB and secondary have to make sure tackled when the 49ers throw.

Thanks for actually bringing something worth reading to this shit show of a thread

Yeah first year starters throwing for 5000/50/12 and taking their team to the AFCCG with a shit defense.... I mean don’t all quarterbacks do that? You’ll see first hand when Mahomes dismantles your team and your dreams.

Yeah this struck me as well. Definitely a different ratio players vs pundits. Heard yesterday smart money is moving to KC as well and line could finish above 2. All this to say that the more knowledgeable recognize Chiefs clearly have more talent but of course any given Sunday always applies.

LOL at all the puffy Giner Fans
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This is Jimmy G first year as a starter and we in the Superbowl baby!!!!

Hey Rabbs great to hear from you!!!

At this point who knows. You got KC fans saying how they dominated certain teams before week 8, then you call them out on not dominating certain teams that they should’ve before week 8 and all of the sudden that one didn’t count because of whatever reason.

But whatever!!!!

I’ll be here after the game to congratulate you guys after the outcome. Which I’m sure I’ll get bullied for also.

I think it has potential to be a great game. Both teams have a lot of talent and good coaching.

The 49ers secondary is really what is the difference. Derwin James is the best young safety in the league. He’s the only safety that I’ve seen consistently limit YAC from Kelce. They also have damn good corners in Heyward and King.

I think the 49ers secondary has a lot of holes in it. I don’t know why they limit Sherman by lining him up on one side. I mean we could theoretically line up our weakest receiver there and attack the other corners with our best, specifically out of the slot.

If our OL can give Mahomes time, I think he will destroy Mosley, Williams and Witherspoon.

49ers fans might want to get used to the name Mitchell Schwartz. He’s the best RT in football. Has also never allowed a sack to Nick Bosa’s older beother Joey.

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I think the bigger challenge might be pass rush up the middle. Hopefully the interior OL brings their A game.

Great breakdown. You still feeling 2015 Royals vibes about this team?

Someone should ****ing slap you.

Oh, for sure.

Meh...while Nick does move some, he’s usually up against the LT. Ford will be on Schwartz’s side. Who’ll be blocking the two monsters in our middle?

Everyone talking about blocking up the 9ers front 4, justifiably so, they're good.

But do the 9ers have the interior OL to block Chris Jones?

Yeah, I read that thread last night and just didn't feel like phone posting a reply to it.

Ultimately the answer is that if Cover 3 was a panacea, everyone would be doing it. If it was some unbeateable coverage that will shut down elite passing games, it would be THE coverage. Moreover, if it were dominant anytime you generated a pass rush, the 49ers wouldn't have given up 46 to New Orleans or 31 to LAR.

Yes, that's PROBABLY the best answer, but it's the best of bad answers unless you have an all-world safety in the middle of it just wrecking everything.

I'm inclined to say that the general idea is correct - but the conclusion that they're going to have the same success and hold KC in the 20s somehow is overstated.

Are you guys going to be nervous when the line inevitably shifts into the 49ers favor? You know after the "experts" start actually watching our games?

Monsters?

Armstead and Buckner are good players but “monsters” is a bit extreme.

Laurence Duvarney-Tardiff at RG is really good in pass protection. He has struggled with pure power guys in the past but matches up well with either Buckner or Armstead.

They’ll combo block the other inside guy.

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You think the expert big money gamblers haven't been watching the 9ers this year?

Are you 12?

Yeah because none of the experts have ever seen your team play this season.

Do you guys promise to play goaline defense like you did against Henry? With a single deep safety, whatever his name is, and linebackers shadowing our RB?

Please please please do!

LOL

The line has shifted from pick...to 1....to barely 1.5....to solidly 1.5...all in the chiefs favor

You think some experts are sitting around watching all of the niners games and suddenly going to go
..."oh...MY...god...these guys are goooooood" and then push a little button to shift the line to 3 points for the niners?

That's not how it works kid....please go sit in the corner, shut the **** up and play with your piddlyshit tonka trucks and let the grown ups talk.

We didnt stack the box against henry you moron

We were one of the only teams to be able to stop.him and we did it WITHOUT stacking the box. Did you even watch the game? Goal line D .....LLLOLOLOLLL

I don’t care about the betting line. 49ers are very talented with strong coaching. So I expect it to be a tough game regardless of the gambling line. Chiefs will need to bring their A game and we will see if they show up ready to play.

Well, they all counted. We were 12-4 for the regular season. That's really the only "regular season stat" that mattered for the playoffs, and that had to do with seeding. It was good enough for #2 in the AFC.

The best way I can sum it up is that something changed after we lost to the Titans in week 10. I was as critical of Andy Reid and our defense as anyone. You can go through my posts on here and find many posts that bear that out. But then, we started playing hard defense. Andy Reid changed. The defense changed. It all started coming together.

After the Chicago game, at Chicago, I posted on this board that it was our most complete game of the season, if the defense kept playing like that and if Andy Reid kept calling games like that, then we have a legitimate shot at winning the Super Bowl, because no one was going to stop this team.

Winning at New England was huge for several reasons, the biggest of which was that it eventually gave us the #2 seed in the playoffs.

So, you can say "#26th ranked run defense" as many times as you want if it helps you sleep at night. Because it's gonna **** your world up on Feb 2nd when that #26 ranked run defense uncorks one on that supposedly unstoppable run game of the Forty-Giners. Jimmy Grapes ain't got the grapes to hang with this team. Sorry, he just doesn't. If the Chiefs play the way they've played since week 11, it's shut down time for y'all.

That's why what happened before doesn't matter. Because it really doesn't. This is a completely different team, in confidence, in attitude, in health, in coaching. Every single aspect of the team is in tune with the other. What were weaknesses early in the season (pass blocking, run D, clock management, staying healthy) are no longer weaknesses. This team has no real weakness.

Good luck.

I rewatched that 49er/Seahawks game from week 17 last night.

1st off, you all got lucky. Lucky the refs bailed you out at the end, because the Seahawks got robbed on that no-call pass interference in the end zone.

Lucky to get the #1 seed in the playoffs.

Lucky you didn't face Seattle instead of a hapless Green Bay team.

San Francisco is just lucky to have made it this far.

We stacked the box on like 12% of plays against the Titans, you ****ing cross-eyed crackhead.

If you had watched the game, maybe you'd have known that. Maybe.

And you'll know Honey Badger's new name by the end of the night on Feb 2nd. They call him The Landlord now. And Feb 2nd is when the 49ers rent is due.

He'll be coming to collect.

I watched the first half of the Week 16 game vs the Rams. They couldn’t handle Goff when they moved him out of the pocket.

And Jimmy G looked pathetic in the first couple of drives.

Seattle was in tatters as well.

For all the talk about the vaunted NFC, I didn't see much in the way of greatness there. The Packers were the weirdest, softest 13-3 team I've seen since...well the Chiefs 13-3 team in 2003. Brees was so clearly on fumes down the stretch (same as last year) that the Saints simply weren't as good as their record. The Seahawks had been decimated by injury and damn near lost to a 40 year old man playing on a torn hamstring. The Vikings had Kurt Cousins - the same guy that lost to Matt Moore.

I just don't understand this belief that the NFC was some savage hell-conference.

you haven't watched ours.

We've all seen some of yours.

You know, like actual fans of the sport do.

They can make the same statement about KC. Lucky to beat the Patriots in regular season. Lucky the Patriots choked against Fitzmagic to give KC a playoff bye. Lucky the Ravens and Patriots both choked against Tennessee. Lucky that Bill O’Brien went full reerun in KC.

Correct. It's almost as if the 49ers were gifted the #1 seed by default.

See, this is what I'm talking about.

We didn't stack the box. Barely at all. On a few 3rd and 1's.

That's IT.

You have no idea what you're talking about. At all.

You're completely ignorant, but spouting a bunch of chest beating bullshit.

And come Feb.3rd, you'll be gone, tail between your legs, wondering where it all went wrong.

Which makes it pointless to even talk to you.

I think the answer to this is because that is what Sherman wants to do, he did it in Seattle too.

But we went to NE and straight up beat the Pats.
The Dolphins straight up beat the Pats.
Tennessee straight up punched both the Ravens and the Pats in the mouth
Bill O'Brien is Bill O'Brien and will ALWAYS go full reerun. The Texans were lucky Josh Allen went full fetal. The Texans were lucky Buffalo didn't win.

The Chiefs have proven their mettle over the last 8 games. The 49ers needed help to get the #1 seed over Seattle. If the officials had called that game correctly - or if they had even REVIEWED that call (it was under 2 minutes), Seattle would've had a bye week to get healthy, and it's possible that the 49ers wouldn't have made it past them the third time, either.

Buffalo choking was a good break for KC as well. Texans defense is trash (shown by Drew Lock). Buffalo would have given KC a tougher game.

LMAO

On paper this looks like it could be the best matchup in recent memory in a Super Bowl, it's strength vs strength. It should be a close game and maybe a shootout, probably very entertaining for everyone.

Really, there haven't been a lot of great Super Bowls recently.

The Rams never got off the bus last year. The Nick Foles game was entertaining, but still - that was a declining Patriots team being beaten by a backup QB. The year before that, Falcons embarrassingly blow a huge lead. The year before that Denver soundly defeats a Panthers team while Cam Newton embarrasses himself.

The last really good Super Bowl was probably when New England beat Seattle, but even then you have Russell Wilson throwing a pick on 2nd and goal from the 1 being the story of the game.

I think this year the league has a real shot at a great game, great storylines, and teams that will both show up.

Chiefs stacked the box on 12% of snaps against Tennessee. That’s a total myth that they loaded up on Henry at any extreme measure.

I expect a similar plan early on cause the KC DL is going to win the LOS in this matchup. Some just don’t realize that yet.

Packers had a negative net yards per play (O-D). To go 13-3 with that indicates a lot of luck. On the flip side, Dallas somehow managed to dominate the line of scrimmage and have a .500 record.

If Seattle would’ve won They wouldn’t of had a bye.

#1-GB
#2-NO
#3-Seattle
#4-Philly
#5-SF
#6-Minn

The NFC has been overrated all season. Two of their best 5 teams either lost or almost lost to the Matt Moore led Chiefs. Baltimore blew the doors off of Seattle on the road and beat SF.

KC, SF, and BAL were really the only teams that ever seemed to have a real shot at winning this when it started a few weeks ago.

Pretty crazy how much difference that one game meant in the standings. Wild stuff!

Right!!!

Ultimately the 9ers winning screwed the Saints more than it screwed the Hawks.

Gotchya.

No question.

Brees NEEDED that week off in a big way. Just as Brady did.

Both of those guys were clearly working with dead arms and a week without practice could've helped them a lot.

Credit is due to the 49ers in that regard - by winning that game they effectively torpedoed the ceiling of their biggest hurdle. Even had NO won that game, they were done the following week. They needed more than Brees had to offer and the only thing that could've changed that was giving Brees some time to recharge.

The 49ers probably still make the NFCCG but they end up playing @ NO instead of at home vs. a team that had a clear matchup advantage against in GB.

They didn't back into it - they won the game they had to. But man it took some weird shit for it to happen and in the process the myth of the dominant NFC was destroyed, IMO.

Yep. Saints lost the bye week and then got stuck playing Minnesota in the wild card round. Vikings are a team that seems to have Voodoo magic against the Saints.

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Questionable. Garland has gotten better in place of Richburg, but I would agree that is a point of vulnerability.

We’re not playing anything, except for with your emotions you absolute imbecile. They Chiefs will be playing the 40 winers. And you fools better keep your box of tissue and your Faders jerseys close by. Cuz this Chiefs team is gonna embarrass their opponent to the point you’ll all be Faders fans AGAIN by the time the game ends.

Oh, good god. Stop with the high and mighty act.

YOUR team hasn’t been making Super Bowls ‘regularly’ since the 80’s. :rolleyes:

The Ronald Reagan era is over. You’re not the Pats. Get over yourself.

Serious question not regarding the superbowl...

How long do you guys think you guys have this superbowl window open? Looking at your cap situation, KC is around $15 mill under? That’s without paying Mahomes. I asked in the Mahomes thread how much will he realistically make yearly, answer was about $40-$45 mill a year.

Do you guys feel that with him making so much will affect the way this team is built? Obviously pieces will have to go.

Side note: let’s see how many times I get called idiot for asking a simple question. Lol.

30+ points in 6/8 games against cover 3 the last 2 years.

1 of those games we had 24 points at the end of the 3rd and took our foot off the pedal when it was 24-9

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Ford and Bosa aren't the only relevant changes. At LB, you have Greenlaw and Alexander who replaced Malcolm Smith / Cassius Marsh and Reuben Foster (who got absolutely torched in the passing game). The speed and athleticism of the LBs is much higher. In the defensive secondary, Sherman only played half the snaps. Mahomes faced the daunting combination of Exum, Colbert, Witherspoon and Reed. It's a slightly different team KC will be facing this time around.

I think Sammy Watkins and Chris Jones will have to go.

Shit, if the refs had even reviewed that OBVIOUS defensive pass interference, Seattle has the ball on the 1 yard line with like 40 seconds left, and that's plenty of time for 3 passes and a run if they don't pass it in...

Exactly! Enjoy the journey. The only thing that could ruin it is too many penalty calls or a lopsided game. I hope it comes down to the last series.

The cap is expected to increase dramatically with the next CBA. It should not be an issue.

New CBA. We're going to be fine.

Thanks for asking.

They face Aaron Donald twice a year. Think they’ll do ok with Jones. Donald got his sacks but didn’t really dominate the way he usually does.

I'll bet you do. That's about the best you can hope for...

Did you even watch the game? Cause it sure doesn’t seem like it.

We only played a ‘stacked’ box against then Titans on 11% of their offensive snaps.

And the goal line defense that you are referring to that we used in the middle of the field against Henry was literally used TWO times the entire ****ing game by Spags, outside of actual goal line formations when the Titans were inside the 5.

So we spent 85% of the game NOT using a stacked box against Henry and the Titans excellent running game. Probably similar to what you will see against us.

Please do a little more research before making stupid hyperbolic statements. It makes you look dumb.

You have to remember that prices (& caps) go up and up and up and what seems like a crazy deal at 1st looks pretty good by a few years into the contract. I expect (barring injury of course) like a decade of deep playoff runs with mahomes.....im sure there will be some bad years and years where we lose guys and stuff...I am not expecting a brady type of dynasty where we are disappointed not winning 12 games every single year.....But I do expect a winning culture and a decade+ of having a real shot. Clearly QB is the single most important piece and we have that. Pay the man and worry about the money later...yes it will hurt at 1st but the sting will fade.




Idiot

49ers and Chiefs OLs are extremely comparable, IMO.

Solid book-end Ts w/ questionable interior line play. And the problem with both IOLs isn't that they are routinely bad, it's that they're fairly inconsistent. Both will do their jobs very well at times and look like they've never worn pads before at other times.

And just as injury could have improved the 49ers OL, replacing Wylie w/ Wiz has almost certainly improved the Chiefs OL as well.

I also think it's worth noting that the Chiefs DL is comparable to the 49ers DL in how it matches up vs. its opponents strengths. Jones/Clark are a comparable duo to Buckner/Bosa w/ Clark playing at full strength. Where the 49ers are a little ahead is that they have Armstead as the 3rd leg of their stool and a strong rotational player in Ford. Against a passing offense, that's a real asset.

But now lets take a look at the 3rd leg and rotational player(s) the Chiefs have and how they matchup against the running defense of the 49ers. Pennel/Nnadi and Suggs are the Chiefs answer at opposte DE and DT, no? Well aren't Pennel/Nnadi and Suggs just as good against the rush as Armstead/Ford are against the pass? Those guys are DAMN strong run defenders.

I just think the OL/DL matchups are far closer to a wash than anyone is acknowledging. Would I trade our 'tertiary' players for theirs over a 16 game season? Oh without question. But going against this 49ers offense, I'd be hard-pressed to find 3 complementary players that are better equipped for the task than Nnadi, Pennel and Suggs.

Saying this as a friend :

IDIOT

The pass interference review has been weird this season. They instituted the review process to avoid the Rams / Saints outcome, but there were so many times I saw reviews where there was obvious contact and the call on the field stood. Seems like the review process is inconsistent, game to game and week to week. I was listening to a Bay Area show yesterday that talked about SB penalties, and they predicted based on a review of prior games that the refs would "let them play". Will be interesting to see who takes most advantage of that approach, if it is true.

We’re in good hands with our GM. He’s been nails I’m the draft, as well as letting players go when they’re not worth paying (unlike Dorsey). He’s also been ridiculously good at dumpster diving for talented players during the season. Hardman, Thornhill, Fenton, Nnadi, and the list goes on as far as draft picks that have players that have delivered well for us. I have faith in Veach making it work. I mean he just rebuilt the defense enough to get us to the SB in the offseason. Completely different team and scheme and they’re playing well.

Cap carryover and Watkins contract will pay for Mahomes new contract next year. Beyond that, the only guy it may ending cost them to avoid a cap crunch is Chris Jones.

But Veach seems to be able to work a little cap magic, so we’ll see . . . . .

Paying Goff absolutely gutted the Rams. Goff is no Mahomes (I say that begrudgingly as a Cal alum), but the roster will get thinner. How's KC's drafting record outside of Mahomes? You have to find gems in the lower rounds when you get cap constrained.

Ever heard of Brett Veach? And I know you're a homer but 'absolutely gutted' the rams is probably a bit of hyperbole. They had a down year but they will be in your face for YEARS to come. I mean youll have to pay garroppolo too right? So by your logic the niners are totally ****ed in a year or two? Right?

Just check out this past draft... the Chiefs hit on virtually all of their draft picks (in a draft without a first round draft pick).

Yep. I would say that the 49ers DL gets pretty thin once you get past the main 4-- too many injuries this year at that position. Because I haven't watched that many KC games this year, how good are these guys at stringing out plays along the line? Other KC fans have said that the 49ers and Titans run a similar run scheme, but having looked at that a bit, I'm not sure it is true...the 49ers seem to force more East-West movement (than the Titans) before their backs cut. Henry seems to run more right off tackle with straight away blocking.

It's the same system, different personnel.

Tyreek Hill - 5th round
Travis Kelce - 3rd round
Kareem Hunt - 3rd round
Mecole Hardman - late 2nd round
Chris Jones - early 2nd round

Andy Reid also got DeSean Jackson in the 2nd round. Similar weapon to Tyreek, and I’m guessing everyone in the 1st round of that draft wishes they took him.

And trading up to draft Mahomes.

What seems like an obvious decision now was far from it at the time.

They could be. They're right under the cap now (~$4MM I think), and they have a few key guys coming up for new contracts this year, including Armstead. They are somewhat lucky that they signed JG to a contract (~$26MM/yr) that in hindsight looks pretty cheap. Compared to the contract Mahomes will get, JG's contract may give them around $15 MM more flexibility under the cap. (JG signed a 5 year deal last year).

Yep. Niners passed on Mahomes for Solomon Thomas. That team would be unbeatable with Mahomes.