I think because KK has the exact opposite take; and KK is his boss (I think)

KK is going to fire him for not toting the company motto that Mizzou is crazy for going to the SEC and is going to get crushed.

Really? I never thought KK had any direct authority over Petro.

That would suck - Petro's a much MUCH better radio guy than KK.

yeah, that's just my wild-assed guess. I thought KK was the main guy there etc.

but again, WAG on my part.

if/when that SEC network deal comes through, I'm totally getting it.

KK is a co-owner. But he's been pretty consistent on saying that radio personalities on 810 have complete control over what they talk about.

They're going to have to spend more $$ to compete.

Rank School Athletic Expenses ’09-’10 (Millions)
1 Florida 105.2
2 LSU 102.2
3 Tennessee 96.6
4 Auburn 90.8
5 Alabama 85.3
6 S. Carolina 78.2
7t Georgia 76.2
7t Kentucky 76.2
9 Arkansas 71.8
X Missouri 53.1
10 Vanderbilt 45.7
11 Ole Miss 43.9
12 Miss. State 36.2

I agree. Losing any KU folks is a net +.

Feeling is mutual Bill...

This is why KK is the best in the biz. He talks and people listen. Just to disagree or speculate. As if the guy would fire Petro for anything said on the air.

Petro quit to take a competing job at the old 980 during PM drive time. Petro lost his ass in the ratings and walked right back in the door to 810.

KK would never fire him.

I love the annual "BOYCOTT 810" threads on Phogtard.net

Our revenues will go up in the SEC, and that money is going right back into athletics.

As for Petro, he is just getting started on the transition. 810 AM wants to stay relevant.

ROYrunn, just sit quietly in the corner while folks with a proper handle on the situation discuss the issues.

If anybody wants a special ed version of the events I'm sure we can have frazod slap you upside the hockey helmet.

Yea, the resident tards are wary of bringing that over here. You know they want to though.

Tigerboard has been nothing but a KK fest for days...

I can't handle the format of that board. Too lazy to look to see if it could be changed. It's total eye-rape.

It has not changed. Worst format for a message board ever.

My main concerns have been: 1) Continuing to recruit the Texas pipeline; 2) Will Missouri spend what is required to compete in SEC sports

Both have been blunted recently. Despite the noise coming from KC-area sports folks, reports from closer to the situation - coaches and recruits from Texas - say that the SEC would not hurt Missouri's recruiting there (mostly due to the pipelines Pinkel has built).

And from what I've heard, the spending will increase. Part of that is due to travel (A little bit more distance on average will increase a lot of costs). A big part of that is the windfall expected from SEC membership (especially if the the SEC network happens for Tier 3 rights). And another part of it is commitment from boosters.

Based on current feelings, I'd expect the booster base to expand, everyone to donate more, etc. Part of that will be to keep tickets/parking spots.

And I expect the big donors to be polarized. I have heard that the some of the big Columbia donors relish the idea of beating the crap out of Mike Anderson (and perhaps the "kin" that drives Arkie hoops) and are willing to pony up big bucks to help with that...

Do they realize 2000 has come and gone? Or that we've progressed beyond 33k modems?

Why didn't MU want to sign their T1/T2 rights away to the Conference with equal sharing between all schools? That would have made the conference 100% stable for 6 to 13 years. Was this all about MU fans' egoes after the Big10 fiasco? I'm sorry if this has already been covered.

MU wanted longer than six years, but Texas balked. They didn't feel like six years would hold Texas or OU back if they wanted to leave. If Texas wanted to leave to three or four years, they could swallow some losses. This is especially true since they could try to move programming to the LHN for a few years.

A rolling six year commitment would have made more sense. If you leave, the conference owns your 1st and 2nd tier media rights for six years from the time you leave the conference.

That is a large disparity, unless they are happy with being an Ole Miss.

Ultimately, I believe that will happen soon. 12-13 years, and Mizzou will stay.

I hope you are wrong. I think Mizzou has started setting the bridge on fire.

As to KC, this is where KU, KSU, and ISU need to flex what little muscle they have. Texas and OU don't really care about BBall, so conceding the BIG XII tourney to KC is an easy bone to throw to those three schools to keep them quiet and in their corner.

I would not be too terribly surprised if an SEC Tournament winds up in Missouri at some point. It would be a great opportunity for SEC hoops to be on display close to B1G country. St. Louis would probably be the pick, but a totally cool scenario would be the Big 12 being in a KC every other year, and in some of the years that the BIG XII is in Dallas or OKC, have the SEC tournament here in KC. Hopefully the city leaders are smart enough to make a pitch and at least try, even though it would be a long shot.

Oh, and Bill Self can kiss my ass. Despite the prestige of KU in recruiting, if he does not play Mizzou he will hurt his chances of recruiting in KC, especially if Mizzou winds up in the SEC West, which is pretty weak in BBall, and has some success. Might not see it a first, but a successful Mizzou bball program in the SEC would hurt KU recruiting in this area, given that recruits want TV time and national exposure, which the SEC will provide in spades.

SEC tournament in KC?:spock:

Yeah I can't see that... I could see it in St. Louis.

Wrong and wrong.

So conference stability was not the issue? Or are you saying that UT/OU would never sign their rights away for 12 years?

yeah, It's keeping Bill up at night...worrying about getting out recruited by Missouri....

I heard he's already looking for a job in a better conference...

He's just making a guess. Sort of like what i'm doing. No one really knows what the hell is going on at this point.

Yeah, right. Bill Self won't be able to recruit in KC. :rolleyes:

Spoken like a true MU fan and KU hater.

Guys on the radio this morning said Mizzou had "held a meeting to decide if they wanted to hold a meeting to explore whether they want to consider leaving B12".
Can anyone translate for me?

They are currently in a meeting to discuss holding that meeting to translate the meaning of the original meeting.

Well yeah. I'm just trying to see why all these MU fans want to leave so bad? Is it because of instability? Or is it just so they can say "Haha, see ya bundle of stickss" like billay?

I agree, and it wouldn't hurt KU in recruiting. Of course, it wasn't difficult to see the butthurt in Self's quote either.

I don't think you really get the whole "Sprint Center would no longer be in Big XII Territory" thing if MU leaves. KU, KSU and ISU are not going to fight to keep the secondary tournament revenues in SEC country. It'll move to OKC and you won't hear a voice of dissent from within the Big XII.

You'll be lucky if the SEC holds anything on the fringe of their territory. Perhaps once every four years St. Louis might get the BB Tournament. Why make a bunch of schools who work on eastern time go to a state in the central time zone?

Grass is greener.

:D Thanks Plow, now I see.

Clear as day, isn't it? :)

It has everything to do with stability; the fact that the quality of football is insanely high and the revenue will be very good don't hurt, but they aren't the primary reasons. MU fans don't want their school to be left out when the Big 12 crumbles, whether that's in 1, 2, or 6 years. As soon as Texas or OK decide they want to be elsewhere, the conference is as good as done. MU is simply looking around while the looking is good.

It should also be noted that they MAY stay in the Big 12, although things certainly don't appear to be currently pointing in that direction.

So can anyone who listened to Petro's take sum it up for me?

Yeah, I was totally understanding MU wanting to leave to the SEC before the shared revenue and rights surrender deal came out. Seems kinda weird now.

No, I get it. What I posted was just pure specualation and what if. But you can't have it both ways. If KC is a KU town, then this IS BIG XII country, and KU should fight to keep the BBall tourney close to home. If KC is no longer Big XII country, then you have to cede the fact that KC is going to be a Mizzou town.

The SEC tourney in KC would be a long shot. I said that. Anything is possible, and a pitch should be made.

Eastern time to Central time is no big deal. Talking about an hour difference. Eastern time to Pacific time, that is a different story, but I don't folks won't tune into the SEC tourney in St. Louis because it is in the Central time zone. That is just silly.

Petro said Mizzou would be crazy not to go to the SEC. He used pretty close to those exact words.

Yeah, as long as you choose to ignore the 30 million advantage Texas will continue to hold for themselves.

Even that will be 200 miles North of any convenience store selling confederate flags.

This

Everyone needs to take a vacation every once in a while to a "foreign country"

And I guess I should have said that if it is going to be in the state at all it would be in STL.

LMAO

You can laugh Wickedson...but if the Big XII implodes and UT and OU take off, Self is gone from KU, and KU will not be able to replace him with a great coach from whatever second tier conference they land in. KU putting BBall ahead of football is going to hurt the Hawks in the end.

What do you want him to say? That he's happy that his school's biggest rival isn't standing strong with them and looking to take any opportunity they can to leave the conference?

Like has been said, the Big 12 will be fine without MU.

The KU-MU tradition and ties with KC will not.

no doubt

30 million? Is that per year?

Does the SEC not 3rd Tier rights? If they do, are they all equally shared between schools?

I'm saying that he's wrong about the Big XII moving to a 12-13 year rolling agreement and wrong about Mizzou staying.

This. Now that Nebraska is gone MU can be a power in the Big 12 athletically like they've never been before. And I don't mean on just on the field, more like location of Big 12 tourney, Arrowhead possibly getting the Big12 FB Champ game again.


Something tells me in the SEC that is going to be quite a challenge.

I dont disagree...

KU as we know it could be coming to a quick end.. I applaud MU for have a ball sack...

If the KU-MU rivalry dies, that is on KU, since Self is saying he is unwilling to schedule Mizzou, which reeks of spite and envy.

I love how MU should just stay and do whatever KU wants to keep the rivalry going, but KU can't do anything to maintain it. A non-conference game with Mizzou at Sprint Center would be great for KC, and a great recruiting tool for both Self and whomever we get to replace Haith once he is fired. :D

Or maybe Self is just scared of Mizzou now that it seems Mizzou has grown a pair? Could KU be chicken?

Most of the SEC is in the Central Time Zone.

ROFL, as I said at the beginning of the other thread, this is going to be fun to watch play out.

Why not? It certainly doesn't HURT KU to play MU in either basketball or football. Why would Self not want to play MU?

Can you please stop with the "ball sack" gibberish? You've been spewing the same stupid thing this whole time. This has nothing to do with having ball sacks, it has everything to do with having offers.

I guess what I'm saying is if they had built the Sprint Center in Johnson County, then yes, the BB Tournament would stay there. It has nothing to do with the number of fans in KC. The tournament is an economic boon to the city that hosts it, specifically the Power and Light district. So, why give that to a metro area who is in SEC territory. It doesn't make any sense.

I don't say that because I wouldn't love for the Tournament to stay in KC. I don't even live there any longer, but it still has a great place in my heart and this potential move by the Tiger is just going to shred the city of part of its identity.

The time zone thing is important because you are asking the majority of the conference to move to a fringe (and colder) part of the conference. The South doesn't like to do cold.

As much as I hate KU, I respect Bill Self, I wanted him for Mizzou coach when that opportunity arose.

I also like hating KU as an equal BCS member. I don't want the Hawks in the stupid Missouri Valley or Mountain West. I wanna kick their ass on a big stage.

Celtics fans hate the Lakers, but none of them want the Lakers regulated to the minor leagues.

I don't know...it would be easy to be gun shy and play it safe after last year. It is a courageous move. Putting ourselves at risk (again) and moving into a more challenging situation.

Yeah, that must be it. KU is scared of Mizzou BB.

Actually he is probably looking at it like he does a game against WSU. Everything to lose, and nothing to gain. He plays MU now, because it is in conference.

KU basketball is going to be fine, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have already begun a gradual decline. I don't think it's going to be a huge decline, but the SEC is now on KU's doorstep, and that does hurt. I promise you that the B1G is pissed that the SEC/B1G border just went from about 200 miles to 1000 miles overnight.

Self wants a opponent to respect and stand strong with an institution that has a history of over 100 years together.

KU is willing to do that and make the Big12 work.

You all can laugh at KU about how "no one wants them" but the fact of whether or not that is true cannot be known because KU knows that it's strongest position here in a conference that is based here... not Atlanta, not San Francisco, etc etc

How about this, maybe MU doesn't want to go through this same scenario year after year after year? Think about that? Don't leave now, SEC picks another team, no more chance to move to the SEC. This is about having an option to move and doing it now rather than wait for the inevitable implosion and being left with no good options later.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...ar-may-be-dead

We just got done dissecting Missouri's decision to officially pursue its conference expansion options. The move could put the Big 12 in jeopardy, or at least force it to be more aggressive in its own expansion efforts. Its greatest effect could be on teams like Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Iowa State and the like -- schools that desperately need that revenue-sharing agreement to hold up, desperately need Texas and Oklahoma to stay put, desperately need to keep the Big 12 together to avoid scrambling for a spot at a less-sensible table.

Needless to say, Missouri's move did not make Kansas coach Bill Self happy. Late Tuesday night, Self told the Lawrence Journal-World that if Missouri goes through with a move to the SEC, he would probably decline to schedule Missouri in a non-conference game each season. That move would effectively kill the Border War (or Border Showdown, if you prefer an anesthetized and politically correct terminology) rivalry -- one of the and mostly deep historic and heated rivalries in college hoops. To wit:

“To me it’s a great rivalry, one of the best in college basketball without question, but I don’t think I would be interested in having a once a year game like I did when I was at Illinois, playing Missouri,” Self told the Journal-World on Tuesday night. [...] “If they choose to be somewhere other than with us and with the other schools that they’ve been a part of and could jeopardize the future of the other schools ... I’m not going to make a commitment now that we’d ever play again. I’m not saying we won’t. I’m certainly not going to pretend that we would.”

The Journal-World suggested to Self that fans, and therefore the media, would clamor for a continuation of the classic series. His answer? I don't care:

“I’m not saying it would be bad or won’t be bad (playing once on neutral court). I will say this ... the media is not going to dictate who we play. I’ll dictate who we play as long as I’m coaching here,” Self said. “I have no ill will toward Missouri at all, but to do something at a time that could be so damaging and hurtful to a group, I can’t see us just taking it and forgetting."

It's hard to disagree. Missouri's self-interested move, whatever the reasons and motivations behind it -- and you can argue those motivations are understandable even if you think Mizzou is biting off a bit more than it can chew -- puts Kansas, perhaps more than any other school, in jeopardy. The Jayhawks don't have many outs. They're a basketball-first school that has failed to attract any expansion interest from the Big Ten or SEC; for a while there, we were wondering whether Kansas would have to join the Mountain West. Why would Self not want to punish Missouri for indirectly putting his program in that position? Why wouldn't he prefer to see Missouri hoops languish in the SEC? At the very least, he's not going to say everything will be hunky-dory -- oh, go ahead, Missouri, best of luck, and see you at the Border Showdown in 2012!

No, Self is making clear that there are sacrifices to leaving your league. One of them is traditional regional rivalries. If Missouri is OK with that, then that's its prerogative. But if the Tigers prefer the SEC to the Big 12 for financial reasons, they shouldn't be shocked when their old mates decide they'd rather not speak anymore. That's just part of the bargain.

And this is why we complain about conference realignment. Since 1907, Missouri and Kansas have engaged in an uninterrupted rivalry. The matchup has been a reflection of long-standing regional animosity, the kind that inspires small towns to write letters -- in 2011, mind you -- complaining about the "offensive" use of the term "Jayhawk." I mean, it is (was) called the Border War. You don't have to be a Kansas or Missouri fan to appreciate this kind of rivalry.

Then conference realignment comes along, and Missouri decides its centuries-old rivalries with hated neighbor schools aren't worth as much as an invitation to a league with which it has no historic, geographic or competitive relationship. Why? More money.

Rivalries make college hoops great. Realignment makes rivalries obsolete. Whining about conference realignment is played out, but if you want to know why the whine-fest continues, look no further.

Oh please, it is not that cold in Missouri in March. And moving the Sprint Center five miles into Johnson county would not make KC any more viable to hold the BIG XII tournament here. Outside of metro KC, no one sees a difference between downtown KC and Johnson County anyway. Hell, outside the metro, most folks can't even tell the difference between KCMO and KCKS, with most folks thinking KC is in Kansas to begin with.

If the KC metro is now SEC territory, then you can't claim it is a KU town, which most KU fans in this thread have been touting for days now. If KC is a KU town, then that makes KC Big XII country by default.

How am I not surprised that ku fans have somehow found a way to interject ku basketball into a conference realignment thread?

LMAO

Self sounds like a jilted girlfriend and MU hasn't even left.

Sooooo Mizzou should make a wrong move for itself and sacrifice to help out.......Kansas???

LOL ok.

I'm glad Deaton and co. are finally looking out for what's best for MIZZOU...not Kansas, the Big XII, or anyone else.

If the Border War were to be lost yeah it'd suck but the excitement and intrigue over creating new rivalries in the SEC would be ok with me.

and for ****s sake, a basketball tournament or football championship game might not make a top 50 list of priorities for Mizzou when making this decision.

Yeah, that's it. So, Mizzou decides its going to look elsewhere, keeps the conference the Jayhawks are in, in limbo and may actually leave, thereby devaluing the conference as a whole, which in turn means less money per school... and that's on the Jayhawks?

Look, if you guys really believe your best interests are going to a conference you have no tradition with and less competitive power, then that's on you. We want you to stay. We want to continue the rivalry as a conference rivalry. We have no interest in seeing you go, make more money, and then contributing more money to a foreign conference city. Why you think these things can just "remain the same" is beyond me. The only way this rivalry will renew if you leave is if the Big XII dissolves in the future and we somehow end up in the B1G or PAC.

But you guys are spitting on the conference rivalry first, if you leave, you have to own that.

Why, you bring it up each time. Can it really be a surprise if you remark on it each time?

HHG is a complete dumbass, please ignore.

Say what you will, but if Mizzou offers to play KU in the non-con and KU says no, that's on KU.