That's putting it nicely.

I can't believe Rampage and Tito are going fight lmfao. Anything to make a quick buck. The senior citizen bout.

what?

u serious Clark?

No different than the UFC, when Dana keeps trotting out Frank Mir as the company sacrificial goat in the HW division.

No luck with your Dodson hope.

The reason why your point was a bunch of stupid bullcrap, is because no one would give a damn about Rousey if she was not the champ. This isn't an Anna Kournikova thing, none of these MMA chicks are really hot at all.

Sure, some of them might clean up well, but they are not models. If they were not entertaining to watch in a fight, they'd be nobody and their division would not exist.

If you think the women's fights are garbage, you aren't really much of a MMA fan, because they are entertaining to watch for the most part.

**** YEAH to that first round in the Sanchez Melendez fight.

Diego Sanchez' face is destroyed. Melendez connected so many times.

Dude can take a punch.

Holy Shit Diego!

Best fight I've ever seen.

Now that is a bad ass fight!

MY GOD!

I credit Diego for understanding that he had nothing to lose in that third round, and putting himself in position to get brutalized so that he could possibly get a knockout.

Holy wanderlei silva, batman!!!

Yeah but damn, Melendez connected on so many shots straight to his head and Diego wasn't. It was entertaining as **** though.

Holy ****ing Shit, Melendez and Sanchez. That was a great fight.

That was fantastic.

At the end, I wanted Diego to win, but of course I knew he had to get the knockout, because he clearly lost the first 2.

If you didn't see the early prelims, this one was decent.

4/4on the main card right now.

I am kicking myself for not betting tonight.

Poor JDS

Cain is tooo good.

Fabricio is an interesting style match up but Cain is a beast. Nice guy as well.

well, it went 5 rounds and they were both bloody. I'm satisfied.

Also, Comier is going to absolutely dominate at 205

HORSE SHIT. ABSOLUTE HORSE SHIT. GSP lost that fight and lost it decisively. Ridiculous decision by the judges.

And peeps make fun of boxing, that was a ****ing Robbery. Pierrre got fuced up.

Hate when i see any combat sport get hosed in this manner. They put so much work into it only to be ****ed by something they couldnt control

Churella's revenge.

I've been a big GSP fan ever since I saw his first fight. My untrained eye absolutely agrees that Hendricks won this fight. He really beat him up pretty good. I was sure he won...until I realized it was a split decision. As soon as Buffer started reading the first instead of saying unanimous decision I had a feeling GSP was going to keep his belt.

There are so many little pitter patter shots thrown in these fights, and it's hard to know how those things are judged. Also, takedowns vs. escapes...which gives more points? There are all sorts of things like that that happen in these fights, and if you're not sitting there with count clickers in your hands and really scoring these things it's tough to know. I really wish they would talk to judges after fights like they do the fighters, or maybe in the press conferences or something. Tell us WHY!?

I've watched every UFC since number one, and what I can say after all these years being a fan of this sport is that the theory that "you have to really take it from a champion" seems to hold true more often than not. Seems like if you're a challenger and it goes to a decision you're probably going to lose. To take a belt away, especially from a long time holder like GSP, you've gotta finish him one way or another.

All of that said...Hendricks was robbed.

I had it 3-2 GSP and called it on FB before it was announced. GSP took 2, 3, and 5. The only round up for grabs was 2 and that's where the split came in.

Also Hendrix tapped to that choke in the 1st, but the ref missed it.

I'll also say I liked Hendrix until he cried like a baby after the fight. You're a US fighter that got beat by a Canadian in Vegas and you got your ass booed out of the Octagon. I lost a lot of respect for the whiny ass.

If it was a fight at a bar I'd give it to Hendrix, but they score these by round and GSP won the most tonight. Sorry fellas.

hay mma sucks now
go chuefs

I gave round 2 and 5 to GSP and 1 and 4 to Hendricks. I gave round 3 to GSP until the final seconds with Hendricks' take down. It all came down to how much that take down changed the round in the eyes of the judges, imo. I don't really have a problem with the decision. Could have gone either way.

What's funny is after Hendrix bitching about the decision at the press conference he said he thought he won 3-2 giving GSP 3 and 5. He also said that he thought he controlled the fight after the first 2 minutes so he's basically saying GSP at least won half of round 1. What a dumbass.

I've got people all over facebook that saw Johnny tap in the 1st on that choke. It was 3 quick taps on GSP's back and then he popped out or GSP let go. I'm surprised it's not getting brought up.

Okay. It looks like it's getting more play now. People rewatched the fight and saw the tap.

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/sho...3#post89059393

I don't see a tap. He was moving his forearm around but his hand made no tapping gesture that I can see.

http://i.imgur.com/G9kdQln.gif

I was at a sports bar watching with some friends and I mentioned the "tap" and they said the same thing, but w/e.

It was a tapping motion, but looking at it now I don't think he was tapping to a submission. He didn't make the tapping motion until after George released the choke.

You can't see him tap Pierre's thigh about 3 or 4 times after he brings his arm out from inside of his legs?

I called it a tap when I first saw it, but it seemed to be a very quick tap out so I kind of dismissed it.

I've never seen anyone tap out with their hand in a C shape... always flat palmed. It looks like he is fighting for position and not tapping. At least it looks that way to me. If you look, GSP lets go well before JH's hand (in a C shape) taps him.

Really not sure how anyone can see that as anything other than a tapping motion.

He's definitely not fighting for position. He's not pushing on Pierre with that hand or grabbing... he's tapping.

The second JH gets his arm outside GSP's legs... GSP lets go. Well before any tapping begins. It looks like GSP lets go because his hind leg was coming up off the mat.

So you are admitting he was tapping?

:doh!:

Sorry... "tapping".

After hearing saying Hendricks say he was "only hitting GSP with 70%" and let him up in the 4th because the fans wanted to see a KO...it's really hard for me to feel sorry for him.

The stupid little mother****er should've known the idiots in Vegas would botch yet ANOTHER decision.

You reap what you sew....

I don't feel bad for Hendricks either. He's going to destroy anyone else, he's charming, he's funny, he's going to have a huge fan base. But anytime I can slip drugs into GSPs drinks, spit into his food, or my foot onto the gas pedal when I see him in the middle of the street, I'm all over it.

I didn't see the fight but, based upon that clip, I don't think he is tapping. I think he is pushing GSP's leg with his forearm and his hand just appears as if it is tapping.

**** gsp. That is all
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LMAO He barely got by Condit. I'd like to see that one again with 5 rounds. I also think it would be fun to watch him and Lawler slug it out.

Huge fan base? Vegas booed his ass out of the octagon and he's acted like a huge bitch after the fight. He's going to be a villain in the UFC and I doubt he's able to flip that into following like Chael did.

I only saw rounds 3-5. Looked like a pretty good, close fight to me. Rematch should be inevitable.

I didn't see a villain. I saw a douchebag retire knowing full well he lost. By default Hendricks gets all the fans that despise GSP.

Coulldn't have been happier listening to Dana white call that asshole out. It would never happen but if another UFC never happened in Vegas again I'd be a happy girl.

What did Dana White say?

That Hendricks won all but the third round. That he's disgusted with the Nevada Gaming Commission. That he's scared to bring fights to Vegas anymore. That GSP can not retire, he owes the rematch. That fights should be based on significant strikes and if thats the case GSP got smashed. /paraphrase

Thanks.

Meh.

Even the judge that favored with Hendricks gave GSP both the 3rd and 5th round.

As much as people don't want to admit it, that fight was a lot closer than everyone claiming "robbery" wants it to be.

GSP got man handled in 2 rounds and then Hendricks laid back in 2 rounds. It all came down to 1 round and according to the judges it was the 1st round. They all scored rounds 2-5 the exact same.

Hendricks even admitted to losing the 3rd and 5th. You can't cry knowing you lost two rounds and two of the other rounds were close. He has acted like nothing but a bitch after the fight. A lot of guys lose tough decisions but handle it with class.

Are you familiar with Johny's collegiate career?

I disagree with the decision, but this was not a robbery.

GSP won the 3rd and 5th rounds, so it was close. The 1st round depends on how you judge these things, I thought Hendricks had more effective strikes in the 1st round (GSP's face wasn't F'd up yet) so I would have given the fight to him 48-47, but if you look at the first round as just a rules-based point-scoring contest, GSP may have out-pointed him in some eyes. Also, if the first round is close and no one is hurt, the defending champ is often going to get the first round.

Dana White is hilariously entertaining to watch, but he went overboard on this. If you gave round one to GSP, you can't go back later with an eraser and switch it because GSP's face was messed up after the fight.

Next time, Johny shouldn't hold back. Finish him and don't let it get to a decision.

I just know he was an outstanding wrestler. I guess I'm missing your point.

Hendricks became one of the more well-known and popular guys in college wrestling due to him "becoming a villain".

Ahh, that makes sense. So it's likely just a marketing thing he's trying to do like Chael did. The odd thing about Chael is that it ended up making him liked in the end, it was almost like a Stone Cold type gimmick where the bad guy turns good but still does the same shit.

In college, he was just genuinely hated and was pretty much like "Eh, **** it".


Really stemmed from his victory over Churella (although most east coast guys hated him anyways for how he wrestled Troy Letters), although running around with the OSU flag while the 157 awards were going on didn't help his case.

Askren/Hendricks: Love them, hate them; we will miss them

This is a cool article from a while ago about Henricks being a villian and Ben Askren being the hero from their days in college.

Round 1- Hendricks had a few heavy shots but was hit something like 36 to 16 not including being kicked in the face and mid section 10 times at least.

GSP won third round by out hitting him, take downs and controlled the round.

5th round GSP took him down twice and once again out hit him. He couldn't keep him down but he was still the more active fighter. You are NOT going to take th belt from the champ by geting out struck and taken down twice in the final round no matter how much you show boat, complain, whine and dance around like your dream just came true.

GSP got cut with an elbow after he tripped himself up and johnny got him down breifly. Gsp landed nearly triple kicks, prob double the punches and was ahead by one take down.

It was a classice Thomas Hearns power VS Sugar Ray-finese- fight even though GSP landed many many hard shots.

GSP won this fight, took the best Hendricks had and was more crisp the last round.

Hendricks needs to shutup- he lost and is showing zero class.

Dana white is trying to sell tickets- he is backstabbing GSP even though the guys had been the best producer for years. White is a DBag. He was already pimping a rematch the second the RIGHT decixion came in. But that is his job. :doh!:

Very good post.


I think too many people that watch MMA do what Rogan said he does while commentating and just take it all in as one big fight instead of breaking it down by rounds and that's where the backlash occurs like with this fight and JJ/Gusta.

That and people usually have a rooting interest in a guy so they like to bitch if it's close.

I think Hendricks should have been way more agressive the 5th round. If he would have taken GSP down twice instead of the other way around-he would have the belt.

and this is how GSP was given the first round. (The strikes were a heck of a lot closer than 36-16 btw, but that doesn't matter)

If you focus mostly on tallying up numbers, you may be inclined to give it to GSP, but those things are merely a tiebreaker for me. There's a reason why almost every single member of the media gave the round to Hendricks. Dana alluded to it in his rantings, but this is not really a game, this is a fight. If one guy is hurt more than the other, he should probably lose the round. If it was pretty much even then go ahead and start counting up points for the round.

GSP had several light strikes, a couple takedowns to Johny's 1, and a submission attempt, but Hendricks clearly hurt GSP, and that should have been enough to win the round.

I agree it was close, not a robbery, and Dana went overboard, but GSP should not have won the fight.

In your opinion. In my opinion GSP won 3-2 which is what I called before they announced the winner. It was close and could have gone either way, but I'm not going to say definitively say GSP won the fight. It was going to be 3-2 either way. This wasn't a Pacquio/Bradley type decision and I think Dana was more butt hurt over GSP talking about a leave from absence when Dana was already counting bank on a rematch. GSP is a stand up guy and good dude, and Dana made him out to be Tito Ortiz/Nick Diaz.

Well, it was also the majority opinion by quite a bit. Everyone in the internet media who liveblogged the event gave the round to Hendricks (so no revisionist history going on), and there was apparently only two credentialed members of the media at MGM who gave it to GSP, everyone else at the site saw it the other way.

But yeah, this wasn't like those incredibly bad recent boxing decisions.

I think that's plausible to a degree a few years ago but not as likely anymore. The last large organization to score fights like that was Pride and that isn't a factor for most fans (since they've never heard of it).

I think more people were just shocked Johny had such a tremendous fight against GSP and because of that, they consistently viewed things in his favor. I thought Hendricks won but it's a close enough fight that I'm not claiming robbery (see Garcia/Nam, Ninja/Rampage, etc.)

I guess I'm talking about more casual fans. People that just want to see a bar room brawl with no appreciation for the technical and strategic aspects of the sport. They view it as if the entire 25 minutes just happened outside the local pub and since Billy Bob had more marks on his face than Johnny Bob he must have lost the fight.

That's fair.

That was sort of interesting. I'll have to rewatch it, but I thought I had GSP with 2,3, and 5 with 1 and 2 very close and 4 an obvious Hendrix round and 3,5 obvious GSP rounds.

Right, and that's more typical I think of a mob mentality. When people watch it together with alcohol involved that kind of thinking takes over where boring ass's like me that watch it at home sober with my wife see it a little different.

I think it was you that raised the point though. Almost all of the 50/50 first rounds end up going to the champ.

I thought Johny won as well, but I thought Dana being so indignant was legitimate to a point. I think he fears that he gets most of his PPV buys from the casual fan and the sport will head the way of boxing if the questionable decisions keep happening.

Having said that, he will NEVER stop putting shows in Vegas so he needs to stop bitching and start working with the comission to fix it.

GSP got goons. You gotta knock him out.

I'm not sure about all of the boxing PPV's, but I know they just set a record. People will always pay and come back no matter how much they bitch.

Dana was ass hurt about GSP talking about taking time off more than anything. I think if GSP has said he wanted a rematch Dana would have let it all drop.

I don't think they will either.

However, that AC will never work well with anyone due to Kizer.

Fixed.


Unless you're Benson Henderson/Frankie Edgar.

I went back and listened to a Dana White interview after the fight and I think he was saying that the judges should put more weight on damage inflicted and not just out striking or winning by rounds (at least that is the way I took it). He clearly thought Hendricks won by the amount of damage that was inflicted on GSP and the lack of damage on JH. If the scoring system is based upon the 10 pt round scoring system, I'm not sure how to get around this unless you automatically score the round 10-8 whenever someone inflicts more damage.

Well, in the rule book, it's scored by "effective striking" which is entirely open to interpretation. Do you score a round for someone who landed a large volume of strikes that didn't inflict much damage or for someone who may have had a low % landed but obviously did damage?

The 10-9 isn't horrible but it is flawed (and I have no idea how you truly fix it or create a perfect scoring system). If judges were more keen to give out 10-8 and 10-7 rounds, it's possible the system could be rectified. However, you then open a whole new can of worms, in that the majority of fights are only 3 rounds. If an opponent gets a 10-8, you're going to have to finish or score your own 10-8 to secure a victory.

Then you factor in that the majority of these judges are coming from boxing and don't understand how kicks or the ground game should be scored. Even when you get guys who have adequate credentials (e.g. Almeida) and understand the sport, you can still be left with undesirable results due to human error (being forced to watch cageside/tiny monitors) and bias.