Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 5382852)

waiting...

Originally Posted by bishop_74 (Post 5382832)

I agree... but I can guarantee we will see multiple new threads like:

Who will Pioli hire for head coach?
When will Herm be fired?
What does Pioli look like with women's underpants?

I am pretty sure it will be all over the place.

Originally Posted by DT58HOF (Post 5382834)

He did nothing to warrant a job in the NFL in the first place.
Gunther Cunningham came to the US on a boat and was adopted and given a coaching position as well.
Many guys get jobs in the league because of who they know.
No way can anyone sit and say they think Charlie Weis or Romeo Crennell are good coaches.
Mcdaniels got to the NFL after haing 1 year of being a grad ass. at Michigan State,hell the Head Coach at Mich State usually doesn't get that chance.
Many ex Nfl players that are great do not get these chances.
Mcdaniles will be out in Denver in 3 years.

Originally Posted by blueballs (Post 5382844)

Gunther Cunningham came to the US on a boat shirtless and was adopted and given a coaching position as well.

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 5382867)

disguised blitz

Originally Posted by booyaf2 (Post 5382349)

Pioli all but gone to Kansas City
What might have seemed like a long shot at the time -- Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli running the Chiefs' football operation -- is now looking more like a realistic possibility. Once thought to be the Chiefs' leading candidate, now there is no doubt: Pioli is their man, according to an NFL source. Perhaps more important, Pioli's interest in the Chiefs and a potential new career challenge has grown. All that stands in the way is hashing out a contract agreement, or perhaps a late pitch from the Patriots (who lost offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels to the Broncos yesterday as head coach), or a last-minute change of heart from Pioli. All scenarios remained in play as of early last night, but as reported in yesterday's Globe, the intensity of talks between Pioli and the Chiefs has increased within the last 24-48 hours. Word out of Kansas City continues to be that the possibility of the sides coming together is picking up momentum. The key has been the comfort level between Pioli, Hunt, and team president Denny Thum.
(Boston Globe)

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5382882)

Link:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ml?eref=sircrc

I really hope this is true and isn't just based off of the Boston Globe article....

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5382841)

I wouldnt be surprised if this is your thread....:D

Originally Posted by bishop_74 (Post 5382887)

I have been thinking about it a lot.

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5382882)

Link:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ml?eref=sircrc

I really hope this is true and isn't just based off of the Boston Globe article....

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5382925)

Man, this is torture. I really, really, really want to hear that Pioli is our GM.

Originally Posted by RedBull (Post 5382941)

chiefs move too slow

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5382957)

So what makes this guy so great other than taking over as VP of player Personel after the core of the Patriots was already built?

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5382957)

So what makes this guy so great other than taking over as VP of player Personel after the core of the Patriots was already built?

Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 5382948)

Dude, are you coming or what?
http://www.studyofsports.com/wp-cont...9/01/pioli.jpg

we got some seriously awesome BBQ down in KC.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5382952)

Yeah, they should just go up there and abduct him at gunpoint.

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5382963)

WHAT?

You have no idea WTF you're talking about. Pioli and SP build the "core" that you're talking about. Together.

It's not like he came in in 2003 or something...

Oh, and you have NO IDEA how bad our drafts of 1997-1999 were. Those 3 drafts after Parcells left and before BB came on were so far beyond "bad" that it defies description.

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5382972)

I'm in. How longs the drive from Philly to Boston? Then Boston to KC? Do you have a basement we can keep him in?

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5382937)

look, if he wasn't seriously considering the position we would have known by now...both parties would have moved on, just like Pioli and Cleveland...

I'd be shocked, honestly, if he doesn't take it...

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5382963)

WHAT?

You have no idea WTF you're talking about. Pioli and SP build the "core" that you're talking about. Together.

It's not like he came in in 2003 or something...

Oh, and you have NO IDEA how bad our drafts of 1997-1999 were. Those 3 drafts after Parcells left and before BB came on were so far beyond "bad" that it defies description.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5382937)

look, if he wasn't seriously considering the position we would have known by now...both parties would have moved on, just like Pioli and Cleveland...

I'd be shocked, honestly, if he doesn't take it...

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5382937)

look, if he wasn't seriously considering the position we would have known by now...both parties would have moved on, just like Pioli and Cleveland...

I'd be shocked, honestly, if he doesn't take it...

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5382985)

Anything your team can fail at, we can fail at better.

Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 5382948)

Dude, are you coming or what?
http://www.studyofsports.com/wp-cont...9/01/pioli.jpg

Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 5382980)

I got the car.
http://www.apexicecreamexpress.com/i...w_dsc00348.jpg

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 5382989)

He'll take it. Why wouldn't he? I could see him liking being comfy in NE but I hear he's a competitive guy and likes challenges from the NE fans, so why not take on a franchise that hasn't done shit since we landed on the moon?

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 5383000)

Well, don't expect anything to happen today I guess, though as typical, this doesn't really tell us anything...

http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/613

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5383003)

I CAN'T WAIT TILL THE SUPERBOWL!!! AHHH!!!!!!

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5383003)

I CAN'T WAIT TILL THE SUPERBOWL!!! AHHH!!!!!!

Originally Posted by kregger (Post 5383011)

I'm guessing it happens within 10 days.

Originally Posted by Shag (Post 5382988)

With as close to the vest as this is being kept, I'm not sure we'd know if Pioli was out of the equation or not. It's impressive how tightly they've been able to control information leaks...

I still think it will happen, though...

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5382976)

He was named VP the year after they won their first SB...

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5382985)

Dude, seriously, kill yourself. Get ****ed. You forget that you're talking to Chiefs fans here.

Anything your team can fail at, we can fail at better. Our 1997-1999 drafts were so bad that our 7th rounder in the 1999 draft looked at who was drafted before him by this team and shot himself

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5383016)

if he already moved on, we'd know...there would be no reason for him to keep that secret...

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5382976)

He was named VP the year after they won their first SB...

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5383019)

By 1999 our only claim to fame was getting destroyed twice in the Super Bowl...

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5383033)

I don't necessarily have "doubts" about Pioli.

What I dont know and what we all dont know is whether he can do in KC what he did in NE, there are many factors on why NE is good and has been good for almost the last decade. First and most important being they lucked out and found a late round gem which happened to turn into a HOF QB.

That hardly ever happens. And you can bet NE didn't draft Brady in the 6th rd thinking that he would soon one day replace Drew Bledsoe as the starter for many years to come.

We don't know what went on in their draft room. We dont know really who had more say in player personnel.

Really the only assumption we are making is that The Pats had good drafts and were Super good during the time Pioli was their GM, so that must mean Pioli can do the same in KC.

We have no way in knowing that. ATL hired Rich McKay, at the time was NFL's best GM because of how he turned the Buccs into SB champs and competitive. Rich McKay didn't do anything but draft the NFL's most exciting player ever which lead eventually to a total franchise breakdown.

There are many holes on this team before we can even be called a mediocre team. What happens if Pioli comes in and fires Herm and hires a new coach that is a 3-4 guy? we don't have 3-4 personnel. That alone would set us back for 3-4 years. Waters and TonyG are all gone by that time so those are 2 huge holes that we have to address.

I do know one thing. Bill Belehick is a great coach. And he coaches the games, not Pioli. He has a say in what kinda players he wants because he know what he needs in order to succeed. Something Herm doesn't know because Herm is reeruned and doesn't know why hes even coaching in the NFL other than he's black.

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5383033)

I don't necessarily have "doubts" about Pioli.

What I dont know and what we all dont know is whether he can do in KC what he did in NE, there are many factors on why NE is good and has been good for almost the last decade. First and most important being they lucked out and found a late round gem which happened to turn into a HOF QB.

That hardly ever happens. And you can bet NE didn't draft Brady in the 6th rd thinking that he would soon one day replace Drew Bledsoe as the starter for many years to come.

We don't know what went on in their draft room. We dont know really who had more say in player personnel.

Really the only assumption we are making is that The Pats had good drafts and were Super good during the time Pioli was their GM, so that must mean Pioli can do the same in KC.

We have no way in knowing that. ATL hired Rich McKay, at the time was NFL's best GM because of how he turned the Buccs into SB champs and competitive. Rich McKay didn't do anything but draft the NFL's most exciting player ever which lead eventually to a total franchise breakdown.

There are many holes on this team before we can even be called a mediocre team. What happens if Pioli comes in and fires Herm and hires a new coach that is a 3-4 guy? we don't have 3-4 personnel. That alone would set us back for 3-4 years. Waters and TonyG are all gone by that time so those are 2 huge holes that we have to address.

I do know one thing. Bill Belehick is a great coach. And he coaches the games, not Pioli. He has a say in what kinda players he wants because he know what he needs in order to succeed. Something Herm doesn't know because Herm is reeruned and doesn't know why hes even coaching in the NFL other than he's black.

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5383035)

Actually, let me give a better response.

Our 2001 Super Bowl was a matter of good luck and good timing. Frankly, it's shocking, when one looks at the overall talent on that team, that we were able to win it at all.

After the 2002 season, in which the defense completely fell apart, the Patriots cleaned house. Over the next 2 years, they drafted very well and brought in a slew of free agents to restore the secondary and pave the path to 2 more Super Bowl victories.

Even if you don't want to give him credit for the 2001 SB, you must give him credit for 2003/04. Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon, Ty Warren, Eugene Wilson, Asante Samuel, Deion Branch, David Givens, Jarvis Green, Dan Graham, Tully BAnta-Cain, Vince Wilfork, Ted Washington, and Dan Koppen were all either drafted or signed as free agents from 2002-2004.

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 5383053)

ryan (2:24:18 PM): sup, international playboy?
cust(2:24:23 PM): you guys are taking Pioli away from us!!!
ryan (2:24:34 PM): huh?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ryan official?
cust (2:24:46 PM): not yet, but it looks like it
ryan (2:24:51 PM): YES!!!!!!
ryan (2:24:56 PM): PRINT 'EM!
ryan (2:25:06 PM): print the playoff ticks
cust (2:25:14 PM): lol

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5383048)

You raise very valid points. I can clarify a few items.

1. I'd be surprised if you guys DIDN'T switch to 3-4. BB clearly believes in flexibility between 34 and 43, but that 3-4 as the base is superior. And if you look at the last 10 years and who has won most of the Super Bowls, I think you can see why. Ravens, Patriots and STeelers are all 3-4 teams, and they have 5 of the last 8 Super Bowl victories between them, and a few appearances (that they lost) in addition. Pats and Chargers have given Peyton the most fits over that timespan -- both are 3-4 teams.

2. BB and SP had shared decision-making in the draft room. BB has stated, repeatedly, that both had veto power. If EITHER one of them didn't like a player enough, the player would be off their board.

3. You should expect Pioli to get a new coach, and to try to work the same mind-meld with him that BB had with him. The Pats think its' critical that the scouting and coaching staffs be VERY closely intertwined. The scouts have to pick players that the coaches can use in THEIR system. They have repeatedly said that they pass on players that might be great players because those players aren't right for THEIR system.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5383038)

Tell me, what is it like?

I mean, when your team makes it all the way and the whole week leading up to it is about how good you are and how well you played and...I....just....*snif*...just...*snif*...just one time...:(

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5383033)

I don't necessarily have "doubts" about Pioli.

What I dont know and what we all dont know is whether he can do in KC what he did in NE, there are many factors on why NE is good and has been good for almost the last decade. First and most important being they lucked out and found a late round gem which happened to turn into a HOF QB.

That hardly ever happens. And you can bet NE didn't draft Brady in the 6th rd thinking that he would soon one day replace Drew Bledsoe as the starter for many years to come.

We don't know what went on in their draft room. We dont know really who had more say in player personnel.

Really the only assumption we are making is that The Pats had good drafts and were Super good during the time Pioli was their GM, so that must mean Pioli can do the same in KC.

We have no way in knowing that. ATL hired Rich McKay, at the time was NFL's best GM because of how he turned the Buccs into SB champs and competitive. Rich McKay didn't do anything in ATL

There are many holes on this team before we can even be called a mediocre team. What happens if Pioli comes in and fires Herm and hires a new coach that is a 3-4 guy? we don't have 3-4 personnel. That alone would set us back for 3-4 years. Waters and TonyG are all gone by that time so those are 2 huge holes that we have to address.

I do know one thing. Bill Belehick is a great coach. And he coaches the games, not Pioli. He has a say in what kinda players he wants because he know what he needs in order to succeed. Something Herm doesn't know because Herm is reeruned and doesn't know why hes even coaching in the NFL other than he's black.

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5383048)

You raise very valid points. I can clarify a few items.

1. I'd be surprised if you guys DIDN'T switch to 3-4. BB clearly believes in flexibility between 34 and 43, but that 3-4 as the base is superior. And if you look at the last 10 years and who has won most of the Super Bowls, I think you can see why. Ravens, Patriots and STeelers are all 3-4 teams, and they have 5 of the last 8 Super Bowl victories between them, and a few appearances (that they lost) in addition. Pats and Chargers have given Peyton the most fits over that timespan -- both are 3-4 teams.

2. BB and SP had shared decision-making in the draft room. BB has stated, repeatedly, that both had veto power. If EITHER one of them didn't like a player enough, the player would be off their board.

3. You should expect Pioli to get a new coach, and to try to work the same mind-meld with him that BB had with him. The Pats think its' critical that the scouting and coaching staffs be VERY closely intertwined. The scouts have to pick players that the coaches can use in THEIR system. They have repeatedly said that they pass on players that might be great players because those players aren't right for THEIR system.

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5383059)

It's nice. We're spoiled.

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5383048)

3. You should expect Pioli to get a new coach, and to try to work the same mind-meld with him that BB had with him. The Pats think its' critical that the scouting and coaching staffs be VERY closely intertwined. The scouts have to pick players that the coaches can use in THEIR system. They have repeatedly said that they pass on players that might be great players because those players aren't right for THEIR system.

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5383058)

Man... This sounds like a mother****ing dream. I swear the Chiefs draft room has a spinning dartboard. The coach/GM switch back and forth with the blindfold, and throw! That's how we choose!

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5383066)

Yeah, my one friend is a Pat's fan. Every ****ing Monday morning I'd see her with a smirk. She almost didn't come to classes after the SB. That made it so worth it. All of those weeks of seeing her stupid little smirk really couldn't outweigh her being crushed by Eli/Tyree.

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5383065)

Quick sidenote: have you read any of the books on the Patriots dynasty?

If so, which one(s) would you recommend to gain further insight on their philosophies?

If we end up hiring Pioli, I'd love to read up a bit more on their draft process, personnel evaluations, etc.

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5383068)

I've heard this waaaaay too many times before as a chiefs fan but clearly on draft day they do something different.

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5383044)

What about what he did in Baltimore? Ray Lewis and Jonathon Ogden.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.a...8-7297b9d1a76f

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5383074)

You'll feel different iwth Pioli. You'll see him move up and down the draft board, and feel like you've fleeced the other teams he does deals with.

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5383058)

Man... This sounds like a mother****ing dream. I swear the Chiefs draft room has a spinning dartboard. The coach/GM switch back and forth with the blindfold, and throw! That's how we choose!

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5383088)

It's all about the owner, GM, head coach and scouts all being on the same page. What concerns me is that from the get go Clark and Pioli may not be seeing eye-to-eye on the head coach.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5383088)

It's all about the owner, GM, head coach and scouts all being on the same page. What concerns me is that from the get go Clark and Pioli may not be seeing eye-to-eye on the head coach.

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5383065)

Quick sidenote: have you read any of the books on the Patriots dynasty?

If so, which one(s) would you recommend to gain further insight on their philosophies?

If we end up hiring Pioli, I'd love to read up a bit more on their draft process, personnel evaluations, etc.

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 5383086)

Wheeling and dealing to build up chances for good players. Except for last year, that's what I have HATED about Chiefs drafts. CP didn't do any of that. If Pioli is a wheeler dealer like you say, he is now clearly at the top of my list. Bring him on. Draft day should be exciting.

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 5383086)

Wheeling and dealing to build up chances for good players. Except for last year, that's what I have HATED about Chiefs drafts. CP didn't do any of that. If Pioli is a wheeler dealer like you say, he is now clearly at the top of my list. Bring him on. Draft day should be exciting.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5383094)

If Herm was the hold-up, the process would have never gotten to this point, IMO.

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 5383055)

I'm convinced.

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5383104)

err...one or two. :D I've read Patriots Reign by Holly, Tales from the Patriots Sidelines by Felger, whatever it's called, the rather weird "Management Secrets of the New England Patriots" by Lavin, Never Give Up, by Tedy Bruschi, Won for All, by Pepper Johnson and Education of a Coach by Halberstam.

The "Management Secrets" book is probably the one you want -- or at least it's the one that comes closest to doing what you want. The problem is that it's a rather disorganized mess. It's like an MBA trying to analyze why something is successful without having too much insider access. It was an interesting read, but again, more than a little disorganized.

Patriots Reign was Michael Holley's book after spending 2 years inside the Pats locker room. He does go into some draft stuff, etc. It's overall a very good, easy read.

The rest probably aren't real close to what you're looking for in terms of philosophy.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5383112)

CP didn't wheel and deal with regard to the draft? Moving up for Gonzo, down for LJ, trading a 1st for Green, dealing JA.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5383137)

Yeah, he wheeled and dealed. Badly.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5383133)

Just checked my local Barnes and Noble, and Patriots Reign is in stock. Looks like I'll be picking it up tomorrow...

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5383137)

Yeah, he wheeled and dealed. Badly.

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5383138)

I'm still pissed we drafted LJ instead of Polamalu.

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5383142)

Be warned, alot of Pats ass-kissing, as you'd expect. :shrug: