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Dunerdr 03-23-2024 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 17455508)
Why do I feel like the Titans made out like bandits?
The titans are paying through the nose. And we essentially got a better than comp pick instead of a comp pick. This was always fair market and people tried pointing it out weeks ago but no one wanted to hear it. Craig Stout wrote a good article on CB compensation. We may have been in the mix before FA for a better pick but Sneeds demands likely stalled that.

TwistedChief 03-23-2024 11:51 AM
I’ll put it like this:

I thought our floor was a 3. I thought our ceiling was a 2. We got a 4.

The value of the 4 allows us to move from 32 to 28.
The value of the 3 allows us to move from 32 to 24.
The value of the 2 allows us to move up from 32 to 17.

(Obviously it’s all only possible if the team will trade with us, but just speaking strictly from a value perspective.)

I’m sure Veach isn’t happy with how this wound up either. We don’t need to pretend to be.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-23-2024 11:52 AM
Off to find the spin of that Colts dude that GUARENTEEED Sneed signed with Indy ROFL

RunKC 03-23-2024 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17455487)
It’s not comparable. The Rams were aggressively trying to get rid of salary and retool their roster and had no leverage or expectation that they’d be super competitive. The Chiefs had the ability to keep Sneed on the tag.

My point is not what we ended up getting for him. I don’t dispute that’s fair market value because that’s what we ultimately ended up with. I just think it’s probably going to be a loss versus how things would’ve played out had we kept him and moved money forward elsewhere.

No one can seriously feel good about what we got in return here, could they? We’re trying to justify it by pointing out that this allows Veach to move up in the draft more easily? The value of this pick allows us to potentially move up from 32 to 28. That doesn’t sound wonderful or exciting, even if that’s the reality.

I’m not mad or upset because I trust Veach. I just think it’s a very bleh end result here but I’ll fully judge it after seeing the rest of the offseason.
Yeah the trade value is underwhelming until you see what the market was. I don’t think Veach wanted another Chris Jones holdout situation potentially happening again and we need the money to fill out the roster.

I get we could restructure but there are multiple reasons why that wasn’t an option. One could be Clark telling him no more cash. He just gave a lot to Mahomes in a restructure. Wouldn’t be surprised if that was the situation.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-23-2024 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17455517)
I’ll put it like this:

I thought our floor was a 3. I thought our ceiling was a 2. We got a 4.

The value of the 4 allows us to move from 32 to 28.
The value of the 3 allows us to move from 32 to 24.
The value of the 2 allows us to move up from 32 to 17.

(Obviously it’s all only possible if the team will trade with us, but just speaking strictly from a value perspective.)

I’m sure Veach isn’t happy with how this wound up either. We don’t need to pretend to be.
Agreed. There is zero way to spin this as a positive gain. It's actually kind of deflating to lose a guy I liked for peanuts.

IowaHawkeyeChief 03-23-2024 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17455487)
It’s not comparable. The Rams were aggressively trying to get rid of salary and retool their roster and had no leverage or expectation that they’d be super competitive. The Chiefs had the ability to keep Sneed on the tag.

My point is not what we ended up getting for him. I don’t dispute that’s fair market value because that’s what we ultimately ended up with. I just think it’s probably going to be a loss versus how things would’ve played out had we kept him and moved money forward elsewhere.

No one can seriously feel good about what we got in return here, could they? We’re trying to justify it by pointing out that this allows Veach to move up in the draft more easily? The value of this pick allows us to potentially move up from 32 to 28. That doesn’t sound wonderful or exciting, even if that’s the reality.

I’m not mad or upset because I trust Veach. I just think it’s a very bleh end result here but I’ll fully judge it after seeing the rest of the offseason.
The final chapters of this trade haven't been written. What do we get in FA for $19.8m and what do we do with these picks.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-23-2024 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17455521)
Agreed. There is zero way to spin this as a positive gain. It's actually kind of deflating to lose a guy I liked for peanuts.
In what world is a 3 totally valueless?

It’s not what we wanted, but it’s still a damn 3.

TwistedChief 03-23-2024 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17455510)
Would you have traded a 3rd round pick and $19.8MM for 1 year of Sneed knowing what we have in the DB room already?
For starters, it’s not a 3rd. It’s a 4th because of how picks in future years are valued.

And yes, because you can move the money around to make it work and create 19.8mm elsewhere. That has implications for future seasons and future decisions, sure. But this does as well.

And yeah, if he leaves next year and we get nothing, we at least have a real possibility of a compensatory pick. Because next offseason we’re very likely to lose some high value player otherwise in Bolton, Creed, or Smith which would make us more likely to actually realize the compensatory third.

New World Order 03-23-2024 11:55 AM
IT will be fun rooting against the Titans this year

Chief Pagan 03-23-2024 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17455514)
They did. They have a great player who will help them compete. They had the money to do it.

Meanwhile we're stuck with knowing we drafted a player in the 4th round, he was awesome/elite for us for four years and important to delivering 2 championships, then when we couldn't afford to pay him market value he gave us a 3rd round pick on his way out the door. Poor us.
Absolutely a home run for a fourth round pick.

But if you are going to win multiple SB's with Mahome's salary, you do need to maximize your good picks to make up for your MEH and Skyy picks.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-23-2024 11:58 AM
I don’t think the future 3 = a 4 process works with Kansas City.

Maybe for franchises that where the GM and coach are fighting for their jobs, who need to win this year just to remain with the franchise.

But Veach and Andy know they’re gonna be here in 2025. So whether they decide to keep the pick and have two 3s next year or they elect to use it this year in a trade up, it’s the same value IMO.

Bearcat 03-23-2024 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 17455526)
Absolutely a home run for a fourth round pick.

But if you are going to win multiple SB's with Mahome's salary, you do need to maximize your good picks to make up for your MEH and Skyy picks.
I hope they can do it.

TwistedChief 03-23-2024 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17455522)
The final chapters of this trade haven't been written. What do we get in FA for $19.8m and what do we do with these picks.
Absolutely. But tell me which constellation of remaining FAs we’d sign that would be very satisfying.

It’ll be a hodgepodge no doubt, and the end result could end up better. But nothing is going to feel great in my view.

IowaHawkeyeChief 03-23-2024 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17455524)
For starters, it’s not a 3rd. It’s a 4th because of how picks in future years are valued.

And yes, because you can move the money around to make it work and create 19.8mm elsewhere. That has implications for future seasons and future decisions, sure. But this does as well.

And yeah, if he leaves next year and we get nothing, we at least have a real possibility of a compensatory pick. Because next offseason we’re very likely to lose some high value player otherwise in Bolton, Creed, or Smith which would make us more likely to actually realize the compensatory third.
Maybe, but that's a pick we would get in 2025 and would be the equivalent of 5.

Dunerdr 03-23-2024 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17455521)
Agreed. There is zero way to spin this as a positive gain. It's actually kind of deflating to lose a guy I liked for peanuts.
If you want a dynasty like the patriots you e got to leave the feelings behind. This is the foreseeable future for a franchise that’s window is always open. Reload and recycle. I think we got lucky early with the run it back tour. Lessons were learned there. Rosters require non stop maintenance and upgrading. Unfortunately sometimes a tyreek hill and ljarious sneed are the cost.


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