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chiefzilla1501 08-21-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9903963)
People are implying that it was mostly Alex Smith's fault Friday. Let's take a look at what actually happened.

-No Charles.
-Bowe double covered.
-OL getting pushed back into the QB.
-Kelce and Baldwin dropping passes they should have caught.
-Rookie RB looking decent but not that great.
-Baldwin not getting separation or turning head for the ball.

Alex wasn't the factor like people are proclaiming. He was a part of many factors.

Alex is experienced enough to know the hot read. He missed it way more often than a veteran should. Was a very bad performance even if lots of people also deserve blame.

RealSNR 08-21-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9904043)
I am not a fan of drafting right tackles this high.

But again... This idea that fisher is a better draft pick if he succeeds right away is total crap. If he does really well after struggling nobody will care about a year or so of struggles, just as most people have become supportive of Brandon Albert.

Branden Albert was a middle first round pick.

It's good to take raw players in that area. Look at Jason Pierre-Paul. Hell, even Dontari Poe. It shows that the team is willing to roll the dice.

It's not the same thing as taking a player like that at #1 overall.

Mav 08-21-2013 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9904046)
I'd much rather have had Milliner and signed Sean Smith, and let Dunte Robinson go pound sand with some other team. Keep Eric Winston, re-sign Albert.

When the Chiefs go nickel, that's going to be a huge weakness with Robinson back there... one that is largely preventing this defense from gaining elite status.

what was the reason for cutting Winston so quickly? was it just his outspokenness, or was it he sucked?

Frosty 08-21-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9904062)
what was the reason for cutting Winston so quickly? was it just his outspokenness, or was it he sucked?

His play was thickening.

Pablo 08-21-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9904062)
what was the reason for cutting Winston so quickly? was it just his outspokenness, or was it he sucked?

I think he was viewed as a PR cancer after he lashed out at the fans.

As far as actual play; he was an average RT. Don't know that he would have been cut if he'd have shut his mouth.

Mav 08-21-2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9904065)
His play was thickening.

HAHA.

Must of listened to too much nickelback

Mav 08-21-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 9904068)
I think he was viewed as a PR cancer after he lashed out at the fans.

As far as actual play; he was an average RT. Don't know that he would have been cut if he'd have shut his mouth.

I know we wanted him pretty badly in Cleveland after he was cut from the Texans. I always liked him as a player.

Frosty 08-21-2013 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9904075)
HAHA.

Must of listened to too much nickelback

Probably.

Seriously, though, no one knows. There were some rumors of some kind of injury issue.

Mav 08-21-2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9904084)
Probably.

Seriously, though, no one knows. There were some rumors of some kind of injury issue.

Well I guess we will see how he does for the Cards.

RealSNR 08-21-2013 12:25 PM

I think there was a phone conversation that went something like this:

Reid: "Hello? Eric? Coach Reid here."

Winston: "Hey! Really excited to work with you coach!"

Reid: "I'm excited to be here, Eric. I've got some big changes planned for the team, so I know you're going to be excited. John Dorsey has some great ideas for bringing in talent at CB, DL, WR, QB, safety..."

Winston: "Wait, what did you say?"

Reid: "Umm... I said John Dorsey wants to make a big splash in acquiring more talent."

Winston: "Yeah, and then you listed a bunch of positions. QB was one of them. I could swear. Is that what you said?"

Reid: "Well, yeah. Good QB play is essential in this league, and we're going to have to get a new starter in here if we want to be competi-

Winston: *click*

Reid: "Hello? Hello... Eric?"

jd1020 08-21-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9904121)
I think there was a phone conversation that went something like this:

Reid: "Hello? Eric? Coach Reid here."

Winston: "Hey! Really excited to work with you coach!"

Reid: "I'm excited to be here, Eric. I've got some big changes planned for the team, so I know you're going to be excited. John Dorsey has some great ideas for bringing in talent at CB, DL, WR, QB, safety..."

Winston: "Wait, what did you say?"

Reid: "Umm... I said John Dorsey wants to make a big splash in acquiring more talent."

Winston: "Yeah, and then you listed a bunch of positions. QB was one of them. I could swear. Is that what you said?"

Reid: "Well, yeah. Good QB play is essential in this league, and we're going to have to get a new starter in here if we want to be competi-

Winston: *click*

Reid: "Hello? Hello... Eric?"

Winston probably wouldn't have hung up on Reid if he had just let him get to the words Alex Smith for a 2nd round pick.

Mav 08-21-2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9904121)
I think there was a phone conversation that went something like this:

Reid: "Hello? Eric? Coach Reid here."

Winston: "Hey! Really excited to work with you coach!"

Reid: "I'm excited to be here, Eric. I've got some big changes planned for the team, so I know you're going to be excited. John Dorsey has some great ideas for bringing in talent at CB, DL, WR, QB, safety..."

Winston: "Wait, what did you say?"

Reid: "Umm... I said John Dorsey wants to make a big splash in acquiring more talent."

Winston: "Yeah, and then you listed a bunch of positions. QB was one of them. I could swear. Is that what you said?"

Reid: "Well, yeah. Good QB play is essential in this league, and we're going to have to get a new starter in here if we want to be competi-

Winston: *click*

Reid: "Hello? Hello... Eric?"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Mav 08-21-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9904135)
Winston probably wouldn't have hung up on Reid if he had just let him get to the words Alex Smith for a 2nd round pick.

No shit. Eric Winston is going to get destroyed in Arizona. Not because he sucks, but because his division is a monster. Seattle, with Avril, Red Bryant, Clemons, Bruce Irvin, the Rams with Chris Long, the 49ers with Ahmad Brooks, Ray McDonald, and if they flip around Aldon Smith..

Jesus.

chiefzilla1501 08-21-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9904051)
Branden Albert was a middle first round pick.

It's good to take raw players in that area. Look at Jason Pierre-Paul. Hell, even Dontari Poe. It shows that the team is willing to roll the dice.

It's not the same thing as taking a player like that at #1 overall.

I still don't get why anyone cares how long it takes the guy to develop. As long as he develops. I don't care where he was drafted.

And yes, this is completely from the perspective of... I didn't want a right tackle, but since we got him, I'm going to evaluate him based on what I expect from a first round right tackle. And immediately being good doesn't matter at all to me.

penbrook 08-21-2013 02:00 PM

Ed Werder said Eric Fisher has a shoulder and hand injury but are considered minor.

He said their are people within the Chiefs organization who want him to fight through this injury and show more mental toughness.


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