ChiefsPlanet - Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

Not what I'm saying at all.

Jim Johnson 2012- 51 for 54 in saves 2013- 21 for 25 in saves

Greg Holland 2012- 16 for 20 in saves 2013- 12 for 14 in saves

Give Holland 54 chances to close a game do you really think he ends up with 51 saves ?

The stat Jim Johnson really kicked ass in last year? BABIP. LMAO

Nightfyre

06-10-2013 03:59 PM

Meanwhile, this year, Holland is demolishing Johnson in pretty much every meaningful statistical categoy with a significantly worse babip. (Holland .348/Johnson .310)

Johnson's babip last year? .251. Good luck repeating that.

siberian khatru

06-10-2013 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9741887)

Yes, in any one season. For instance, Jim Johnson: He's already blown more saves this year than last, in half the opps. It doesn't necessarily take some extraordinary skill to do that in 2012, just opportunity and some luck.

And given Holland's skill set, sure, I could see him going 51-for-54 in one neat year.

duncan_idaho

06-10-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9741887)

Johnson had a great season last year, but it's hard to look at it and not see some fluke nature present. It's similar to Greg Holland's 2011, when only 6 percent of inherited runners scored, a once-in-a-decade type fluke.

One thing that should be noted: Holland is 28/31 in save opportunities as the closer. His figures last year include three blown saves when he was the setup man (all of which involved inherited runners, something a closer almost never has to worry about).

At that conversion rate, he'd save 49 games (OK, 48.8) if given 54 opportunities. Very small difference from Johnson (3 percent).

Also, it's not like Johnson is continuing to convert at that 94 percent close rate he did a season ago. If he gets to the end of the year and is over 50 saves with another 90+ percent close rate, I'll give him props. But I'd bet on his conversion rate staying in the low 80s, like it is now. Which is nothign to be ashamed of but nothing really special either.

DJ's left nut

06-10-2013 04:18 PM

Don't ever change, Orioles fans.

I first experienced their like in late 2003, when discussions began on an extension for Albert Pujols. The Cardinals were a little worried about breaking the $100 million/barrier and there were significant concerns that the Cards would lose him when his team controlled years lapsed three seasons later.

So the Orioles fans started coming up with trade offers to do us a solid and take him off our hands for us. Afterall, WTF use would we have had for 3 years of Albert Pujols? (For the record, in those 3 years from 2004-2006, the Cardinals won 100+ games twice, 2 pennants and a World Series, so even had they not extended him, that was his value...)

I shit you not, they were building trade proposals around David Segui and Jay Gibbons. Guys were getting legitimately offended at the mere possibility of including Matt Riley or Jerry Hairston in the deal.

It ended up being shit like:

Segui
Bigby
Cust (and this was a huge concession)
Lopez
Ainsworth

for Pujols.

Orioles fans - they're classic. They're just completely out of touch with reality.

DJ's left nut

06-10-2013 04:20 PM

I knew we'd had this conversation before...

From the 2012 Royals Repository:

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9189267)

Not enough players. Every Orioles fan knows that the way to get a good player is to give up a TON of really shitty players.

You'll need to include Chen and Getz, for starters. Brett Hayes, Tony Abreu and Irvin Falu are going to need to be in there as well, oh yeah, and Moscoso - because the Royals need an arm (everyone always needs an arm).

And don't forget Bourgeois, because the Orioles need some team speed and Terry Evans, because a good Orioles trade has to include a flash in the pan that can 'really recapture his form'. Finally, you'll need someone that you used to think might be good but clearly sucks...I'm thinking David Lough looks good and then another young AAAA prospect - afterall, the Orioles need to get younger (everyone always needs to get younger); Yowill Espinal should do that nicely.

So, here's a perfect trade for the Royals:

Hochevar
Francouer
Chen
Moscoso
Getz
Hayes
Abreu
Falu
Bourgeois
Evans
Lough
Espinal

for:

Jones (because they won't be able to re-sign him)
Bundy (hey, you gotta give to get)
Machado (he's blocked by Hardy, no room for him to play)
Gausman (he's closer to the show than Bundy and for this many immediate major leaguers that are in their prime years, we'll need someone that can contribute this year)

Then finally you'll need to decide that including Falu and Chen is too much to give up, but if they include Schoop or kick in some cash to cover Jones' salary, you'd probably go ahead and pull the trigger.

There's some good leadup to that one, but I was almost positive I'd mocked them for this sort of chicanery before.

Orioles fans - you guys just suck.

mr. tegu

06-10-2013 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9741967)

I knew we'd had this conversation before...

From the 2012 Royals Repository:

There's some good leadup to that one, but I was almost positive I'd mocked them for this sort of chicanery before.

Orioles fans - you guys just suck.

The leadup to that is terrific. LMAO

duncan_idaho

06-10-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9741974)

The leadup to that is terrific. LMAO

Was that the Billy Butler argument?

In which we were told he wasn't that good and we should be happy to get Jake Arrieta OR Brian Matusz (but not both!), Xavier Avery, and MAYBE Jon Schoop?

Prison Bitch

06-10-2013 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9741967)

That's what I was posting about earlier. I was in shock at the O's board and their absurd proposals for Butler and/or Myers. They thought they ddin't have to surrender anything. Other boards weren't absurd. So it had to be the O's morons. And you just destroyed their fanbase. I loved it. A highlight of the offseason.

mr. tegu

06-10-2013 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9741995)

Was that the Billy Butler argument?

In which we were told he wasn't that good and we should be happy to get Jake Arrieta OR Brian Matusz (but not both!), Xavier Avery, and MAYBE Jon Schoop?

That was the one. All they need to trade for Butler is Arrieta and a low A prospect. And if it is Schoop that should be all that was necessary. Schoop straight up for Butler.

SAUTO

06-10-2013 04:46 PM

Hopefully we end up with one more win than the O's. That's all I really want out of this season at this point.

We will never have to see that dipshit post in a royals thread again
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ShowtimeSBMVP

06-10-2013 04:49 PM

[QUOTE=duncan_idaho;9741995]Was that the Billy Butler argument?

Every fan base brings up dumb trades. Billy Butler is a good player but DH only players and Base to Base players don't have much value.

SAUTO

06-10-2013 04:51 PM

[QUOTE=ChiefsandO'sfan;9742040]

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9741995)

Was that the Billy Butler argument?

Every fan base brings up dumb trades. Billy Butler is a good player but DH only players and Base to Base players don't have much value.

you are a ****ing dumbass
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Pepe Silvia

06-10-2013 04:51 PM

[QUOTE=ChiefsandO'sfan;9742040]

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9741995)

Was that the Billy Butler argument?

Every fan base brings up dumb trades. Billy Butler is a good player but DH only players and Base to Base players don't have much value.

His BBQ sauce might give him some extra value, no?

SAUTO

06-10-2013 04:52 PM

5.5 games back of these assholes
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