the fact that he puts Johnson in there is absolutely laughable.

If he had said Rivera, Grilli, Nathan, Mujica, Kimbrel, Romo, Balfour, Papelbon, Henderson, and Wilhelmsen his statement could have merit... the inclusion of Johnson makes anyone with half a brain roll their eyes and chuckle.

Call me when your boy has a 50 plus save season. Jim Johnson on pace for another 50 save season 1 bad week of Johnson in 2013 doesn't make Holland better.

Unga bunga, caveman.

Lance Lynn had more Ws last year than Justin Verlander. Does that make him a better pitcher?

Ws, Ss, Rs, RBI.... all stats that are dependent on teammates.

It's nice Jim Johnson saved 50+ last year... but he still doesn't stack up well in advanced value measurements (23rd overall in 2012). He's saving a ton of games because he's getting a ton of opportunities. You can put a lot of other closers in that spot and get the same (or better) results.

Holland is better at every aspect of pitching except for limiting walks (he walks about 2x as many guys as Johnson but strikes out 2.5x as many guys). He crushes Johnson in a lot of the key metrics for relievers (K:9, K:rate, xFIP). And I mean crushes. As in "not close."

But still, it's not what was really funny about your statement. It was including ALL of those guys with the likes of Rivera and Papelbon and Kimbrel. Most of them are at least having seasons that put them in elite territory. Johnson is not.

Lots of guys have had seasons where they were brilliant before falling off. Time will tell if guys like Grilli, Mujica, Reed, etc. can sustain it. That's what separates guys like Papelbon, Kimbrel and Rivera.

Greg Holland is an excellent reliever. Only Jon Papelbon and Kimbrel have contributed more WAR since 2011, when both Johnson and Holland seem to have found their stride. Mariano Rivera is likely above him as well, without the injury last season.

C&O'sFan is like that kid at recess that bounces from sport to sport on the playground. Always the last pick and nobody wants him around, even though he does have moments where he plays mildly decent.

I had to pull up a list all the closers in baseball because I couldn't think of what other Johnson he may have been talking about LMAO

As we all knew pretty well about Guthrie when we got him, he is built to pitch in Kauffman.

At home: 5 games, 4-1, .205 BA, .612 OPS, 2.78 ERA
Away: 7 games, 2-2, .315 BA, .928 OPS, 4.40 ERA

Not getting into this with you. Just a heads up Johnson not a SO pitcher so i really don't care about that stat. Most GM in baseball would take Johnson over Holland. Gotta love Royal fans got the best player at every position yet every year still 15 to 20 games under .500.

Johnson has .2 war vs Holland at .8

Even last year Johnson was only 1.2 vs Holland at 2.2.

Based on what?

Do you like talking out of your ass?

Most of our players suck ass. The reason you're getting blasted is because Holland ISN'T ONE OF THEM!

Is that easy enough for you to understand or do I need to dumb it down for you more?

The definition of Irony. 1 winning season of baseball in 12 years being used as the basis for his baseball knowledge and pedigree to talk down to the Royals fans who also have 1 winning season of baseball in the last 12 years.

As if both franchises being amongst the worst in MLB having anything to do with the discussion at hand.

BTW, I love the strawman argument you threw in there. That was right on queue with simply marvelous anticipation and timing.

Greg Holland is one of the best relievers in baseball.

Go back 3 years. Look at whatever advanced stat you want to look at:

WAR
K rate
K:9
K:BB
FIP

You'll see Greg Holland dotting top 10s all over the place.

And even with all of that in place, I still wouldn't put him in the same territory as Papelbon, Kimbrel and Rivera because of the longevity/consistency issue.

I'd feel fine saying he's one of the 10 or so best closers in MLB.

Jim Johnson has saved a bunch of games the past year and a half. And that's a good accomplishment. But he doesn't have the high K ability to be a truly elite, lights-out closer.

Jim Johnson is good. He's effective. But he's not all that special (and I doubt he's a guy who's an above-average closer for a long period of time... groundball specialists just don't stick in that spot very often or for very long)

Come on, you know strikeouts don't matter.