Reminds me of all the people who swore Peyton Manning & Aaron Rodgers were better than Tom Brady. And I am sure there were Miami/Denver fans saying that type of stuff about Marino & Elway compared to Joe Montana.

Josh Allen is extremely talented. But the thing with Mahomes is that he’s extremely talented in his own right, despite the fact Buffalo people try to downplay it as if he’s a scrub. Mahomes is every bit as talented as Aaron Rodgers or Dan Marino, but he wins like Brady & Montana whereas Rodgers & Marino didn’t win at that level.

Chiefplanet should donate concrete tables to twobillsdrive so Darwin can do his thing.

Who knows. Brady went 10 years between Ring 3 and Ring 4. Gives solid perspective on how hard it is to win titles. I would love to see a couple more rings over the next 10 years to get past Montana & Bradshaw, but it will be extremely difficult to get there.

Or just how lucky Brady was... :shrug:

He's probably got 10 or 11 elite years left.

Out of those 11 elite years he probably goes to 4 Superbowls, then he should win at least 2.

Andy will probably coach until he's 70 or until medical issues pop up, he should win 1 more with him and then win another with a different coach.

He can and will get more than 4.

OK, but why?

05 - complete shit defense, Brady couldn't be carried anymore
06 - got Manning'd
07 - got Spagsed
08 - got ACL'd
09 - Brady shat his pants against Baltimore
10 - Brady shat his pants against the Jets
11 - got Spagsed
12 - Brady shat his pants against Baltimore
13 - Brady shat his pants against Denver

Of the things on this list, I can only see one happening to Mahomes, and that's losing to a Hall of Fame QB.

Playoff Mahomes isn't going to have a shit defense anytime soon, and no DC is going to shut him down like Brady was.

Injury is a possibility, but again Mahomes never gets hurt bad enough that he can't play at extremely high levels, it seems.

Mahomes is better than Brady. He will not have a 10-year drought. I can see an occasional pants-shitting, but not an absolute shit ton like Brady had.

Brady is the luckiest dude ever. Tuck Rule, Dee Ford, Pete Carroll on the goal line, and so forth. But Brady had a 10 year drought in the absolute prime of his career. Very hard to win rings in this league.

When the 1990’s Cowboys won their 3rd ring in just 4 seasons, I am sure their fans never expected a 30 year drought in that moment. It is amazing the Chiefs have been able to win 3 rings the last 5 seasons, but who knows what might happen moving forward. I don’t take any of it for granted.

The Cowboys had a coaching change and massive injury problems with Aikman, plus the salary cap era.

The Chiefs are dealing with a lot less issues than previous dynasties did right now.

Something catastrophic will need to happen to Mahomes, like what happened to Montana after 1984. And even then he was able to regain his previous form by 87.

My cousin works with the tv crew at FOX, he said Aikman told him that he still cant believe they won the 3rd one with all the off the field problems they were dealing with that season.

KC won by razor thin margins against the Bengals & Eagles last year. It happened again this year against Buffalo & San Fran. If the Niners play clean football on special teams, they probably win the game. 8 point swing on special teams mistakes.

It’s extremely hard to win and these Playoff games feel like a coin toss for the most part. Patrick & his teammates have to be as healthy as possible, which is a major question every year. The AFC is absolutely stacked with very talented QB’s. I think Houston will be a legit challenger in the future. The Chargers will be a much better team with Harbaugh than they were with Staley. Burrow & Cincy will continue to be tough to beat. Josh Allen & Buffalo will continue to be hard to beat. On top of this we will always see at least one team every year like the current Niners featuring a QB on a super cheap rookie contract.

It's because Favre was immature and the Steelers were weak.

The Chiefs might have ****ed up that Cowboys team.

It took THREE interceptions, including a pick six, for them to score 27 points.

They had 250 yards.

Dallas never adapted their style of play or brought in enough talent for a longer run of success.

The Chiefs did that last year.

Peyton Manning had a much better argument, an actual one at that, that he was better than Brady for many years, with its merits having various ups and downs over the years while he was still playing. Allen literally has not a single argument or point in his favor to warrant the discussion.

Interesting. You are pretty high on those Cowboy teams too, Clayster.

For five years they were the cock of the walk.

But after that it was over. That's why they got ****ed up by the 98 Chiefs.

The way Veach and Mahomes and Reid operate, we have a chance to duplicate what Dallas did. Six rings in 10 years sounds about right.

The relative weakness of the AFC is a good comp, too.

Lamar smells a lot like Randall Cunningham, and Allen is Favre, who could never get past Dallas.

Funny thing is Josh Allen has outplayed Peyton Manning in the Playoffs by a pretty large margin. Mahomes has also outplayed Manning by a pretty large margin as well. Manning was carried by his defense to both of his rings.

Peyton Manning in the Playoffs:
2006 ring: 70/158 passer rating with 3 TD and 7 INT in the playoffs
2015 ring: 75/158 passer rating with 2 TD and 1 INT in the playoffs
P-Manning Playoff career: 87/158 passer rating with 40 TD and 25 INT

Meanwhile...

Mahomes Playoff career: 106/158 passer rating with 41 TD and 8 INT
Josh Allen Playoff career: 100/158 passer rating with 21 TD and 4 INT

This does not even factor in the rushing ability of both Mahomes & Josh Allen. Patrick was responsible for 50% of the Chiefs rushing yards in the Super Bowl the other day, including those huge runs on 4th down and 3rd down in the game-winning drive. Many other playoff games where Patrick's legs were a big part of helping the Chiefs offense. Josh Allen's legs are a major part of Buffalo's rushing attack through the years. Peyton Manning was a total statue compared to those 2 guys.

Bengals and Texans will be our primary competition next year. Burrow has one more year to try to push through before the cap changes happen and the Texans will have so much money to play with this Spring

The AFC is relatively weak?

Compared to the Chiefs? Yes.

In a down year we laughed at the AFC's best in their own houses.

And Buffalo and Cincy are getting worse. Baltimore, Miami, who cares.

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Stroud in Houston has 4 years left on the cheap rookie contract, and I would guess his extension in 2026 will be backloaded as much as possible. So maybe 6-7 years of pretty low cap hits. I think that makes Houston a potential challenger.

Jim Harbaugh will make sure the Chargers have a better defense and stronger run game to make the job as easy as possible on Justin Herbert. This team will be a lot better than they were with Brandon Staley.

We can worry about Houston when they prove they're more than a one year wonder with a last place schedule.

The Chargers LMAO

We can worry about Houston when they don't get dog-walked by the Ravens in the playoffs.

Seeing as it’s impossible for Mahomes to get Spagsed, it looks like we’re golden!

"We love Josh Allen" Then love him enough to trade him to the NFC were he can go to Super Bowls

Manning played against real competition, Josh was putting big numbers against mid playoff teams, look at the qbs he beat

It is hard to believe the chargers will be a threat - regardless of a new coach.

How many years have they been the pre-season champs and then imploded.

That cycle won't be changed quickly.

Harbaugh's staff and McVay's staff wars should prove interesting from afar

Do not worry about Houston, they have to reach a SB for the first time to grab my attention.

Keep dreaming, sizzle chest.

You still rolling out that red carpet OL next year?

Can somebody PLEASE explain to me why folks are so ****ing scared of CJ Stroud and the Texans?

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For real. It's the same dog shit GM that tanked their roster in the first place running the show and a large portion of their victories came from the reeruned rat race in their own division and the ****ing NFC South.

You got worse last year.

I'm sure it will improve for you with the loss of Tee Higgins. ROFL

Seeing a lot of talk about one of your old buddies from the Faid, talking up the Bengals and about how he wants to beat the Chiefs in a "game that matters". We'll see if the Bengals pursue him in FA since i'm pretty sure Jonah Williams is gone. OBj isn't going anywhere so RT is prob the only spot that changes.

I'd prefer to see a new C and move Karras to G as well.

Would have to go add up the numbers, but people would be surprised at the number of times Manning went one and done and his team scored less than 20 points. He definitely laid a few eggs in the playoffs. He did also have a winning record against Brady in the playoffs, so that's impressive, although that last one to break the tie was the final year when his arm was shot.

That was one of the sneaky stats that may have gotten lost this year, Mahomes has now passed Peyton in number of AFC championship games. Mahomes has been to 6 and Peyton played in 5.

You will KEEP your same sucky O-Line for next year and you will LIKE it!

Huh?

Jermaine Eluemunor.

Bengals are done. Their defense took a big step back and there's no replacements coming.

I mean, if a career journeyman that's only started half the games he's played in is your best option, it's kind of self fulfilling prophecy that Burrow keeps getting ****ed up to the point he can't finish the season.

1 more year IMO. They're bringing Tee Higgins back and Lou is still there. Getting close though

If the Bengals were smart they would trade Burrow to some team that doesn’t watch playoff football games. They could get a haul.

Stroud had a historically good rookie season in statistical categories such as TD/INT ratio and Houston has a lot of salary cap room to upgrade their roster this offseason.

Of course the Chiefs shouldn’t feel threatened by the Texans, but teams in the category below should be concerned.

Patrick didn't play in his first year and then won MVP in his second. He also very nearly led the Chiefs to the Super Bowl in that second year. When Patriots fans were dismissive of Patrick it offended us and I'm sure it offended Patrick. We should take Stroud seriously until he shows us he's not up to the challenge.

LMAO

We have to unban DiqLix so we can do this all over again.

Mahomes took Belichick & Brady to the brink. They were damn lucky to win that game thanks to Dee Ford and the previous overtime rules. CJ Stroud got blown out by a known Playoff choker team in Baltimore.

But I think Houston’s future is very bright with Stroud. The dude will only be 23 years old at the end of the 2024 season. When you think about everything Mahomes did from age 23 to age 28, there’s a lot of potential for Stroud to accomplish similar things.

Because rookie QBs don’t look like that very often. Stroud is gonna be a challenge in the long term.

Riiiiiight.

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Mahomes has better 2024 MVP odds than Josh. IT'S AN OUTRAGE!!!!

Will the team be addressing left tackle or will you allow defenders to pressure Joe willy nilly all year again?

Based on his contract, i'd say they're going willy nilly this year.

i was just thinking i'd like the south park scene with george lucas and steven spielberg pinning down harrison ford and molesting him to be recreated with joe montana, patrick mahomes and a bengal tiger

ROFL Talk about delusional. Comparing the current Bills with those Patriots teams that won multiple SBs? GTFO!

I think Stroud is amazing. But let's not act like an up and comer has never fallen flat on his face once NFL defensive coordinators got a handle on his tendencies.

He thought the Bills were "historically great".


;)


The only history we saw this year was another Buffalo season ending with "Wide Right".

Yeah, I think their ceiling is Peyton Manning Colts teams that struggled so mightily to get past the Patriots. At least they better hope that is their ceiling. They might be the Dan Marino Dolphins without even getting the early Super Bowl.

This plus they have a gap they need to close to be a contender.

Having cap space helps, but they’ll need to continue to draft well and hit in free agency. They were completely outclassed by the Ravens.

I think we sometimes forget how fortunate we were with Mahomes.

Not only was he ready to play, but he had a HOF Head Coach and plenty of talent around him. Year 2 as a starter just needed an improved defense, and we had Veach/Spags to fix that.

We’ll see if Stroud continues to be big time AND if he gets the organizational support needed to contend.

Next year Chargers? A dumbshit so far. Proven here.

Delusional like last 4 years

Shit in 1 hand and wish in the other and see which gets filled up 1st.

Curious, have the BILLS won yet? What! they didn't? :evil::thumb: Keep dreaming brother!

Deep cut Jerky Boys reference!

For as much as we like to mock Buffalo and their fans I do have to give them props for coming together and donating to charity for those who were victims of the SB parade shooting. They didn’t have to, but they did and big time props for that.

Chiefs fans were pretty good with Wide Right's cats. This back and forth donating has gone back a bit

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Diqlix, what day you? (And where’s my bottle of Doctor Bird Rum?)

A 49ers - Bills Super Bowl. Can you imagine the two weeks of crying before & the two decades of crying after

This guy is in a dark place.

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90s Bills were not a dynasty.

Dude writes that tweet and then responds to every single person with...

"Who says?"

"Prove it"

"Dynasty"


...they're seriously broken, they don't even have the energy to troll.

Gotta WIN something, to be something. :shrug:

The most epic failure in NFL history is making it to 4 straight Super Bowls and failing to win the big game. But overall I think Buffalo folks should feel optimistic with Josh Allen over the next 10 years.

Can't be a dynasty if you don't win the big game. Kick ass team that was always on the cusp of greatness but failed when it mattered most.

Losing all four was historic, yes. Losing doesn't make you a dynasty.

AFC dynasty, maybe. NFL dynasty, no way.

Buh gawd kang that's Daquix music. "Throws 80 year old white bearded mask on walking out with the million dollar walk"

Print that and put it in the Chiefs locker room for the next 3 years

I thought Allen would have to juggle a girlfriend a baby momma and Diggs. The pregnancy seems to be rumor only