No, but it was over when Orlando bombed Joe's hand.

As much as you wanna believe it, it wasn't Orlando. It was Jonah Williams.

No. We have the zapruder film of Joe's hand being crushed by Orlando. That was the shot from the grassy knoll. Joe's hand began to crack that day. The rest of your OL finished him off with the second shot the next week.

RIP your franchise. Joe will never be the same.

This thread isn't fun to open and read anymore. It was more fun when the Bengals were relevant.

there has never been a less self-aware player

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I disagree.

It is more fun than ever.

It's been all downhill since the moment that inspired this thread.

Comments are brutal.

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YES IT WAS! We want it to be Brown so it's Brown!

it was brown

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They will defend Brown to the death.

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Orlando-Brown-Jr

they actually defended that play where orlando got beat around the edge with TE help LMAO

NOW youre pimping Trenton Irwin? Piss off ROFL knowmo level homerism

They need to lose as many as possible and hope Nabers or a LT is there when they pick. Would make it alot easier.

If they punt on OL in the 1st for another WR, they will absolutely regret it.

At some point, you have to prioritize protecting Burrow.

Wonder how many would go back in time and take Penei Sewell over Jamarr Chase nowadays.

I actually think that was still the right choice in hindsight.

But they absolutely don't have the luxury of doing it again.

Who knows if they'd even make it as far without Chase, but we do know poor OT play in particular has ultimately been the fatal flaw in all 4 of Burrows seasons to date.

Joe needs to learn to protect himself a bit.

But they definitely need to get better up front.

Good.

I knew he would be why Burro got knocked from the playoffs but I had no idea it'd be before they even started...

Pimping is a stretch. He's part of a WR room and a piece that has been used successfully. He's a #4/5 WR on the current team.

With a couple guys out, he can fill #3 shoes for a stretch.

If Tee and Boyd are to be gone next year, Chase, Iosivas, Jones, Irwin +2 other guys is a good room.

No LTs. They need a C and they need to move Karras to G and re-sign Jonah but i don't think Jonah has any interest in playing RT next year. He's gonna want to hit the market and find someone that needs a LT.

Exactly. No WRs in the first 2 rounds, at least.

A lot. But i wouldn't be one of them.

They should be able to find all that elsewhere.

They need to get an athletic LT early in the draft.

Why? Chase is good, but he is about to be very expensive and Sewell would have done far more to keep Burrow from being the next Andrew Luck.

Hot take: Joey Luck is a big part of the protection problems

I'm just telling you, that's not the way they operate. Hell, i doubt they'd seriously consider moving Karras to G.

I've never viewed Tee as an elite WR. At the time, and now, i'd prefer the one elite weapon over 1 blocker. At the time, their line was so much further away than it is now, adding one guy, even as talented as Sewell is, wasn't going to help them all that much and certainly not as much as Chase would/did, instantly.

That's not a hot take. He is, because he's willing to take sacks and he's not as hard to bring down as guys like Mahomes, Hurts and Allen.

I get it, but a cornerstone LT protecting his blindside is of far more value than an elite WR. If Burrow is as good as believed then he should (and eventually will) be able to succeed with lesser talent at the skill positions. He can’t do anything on IR regardless of who his WRs are. Protecting the Franchise QB should be priority #1. KC learned that in SB 55 as Mahomes ran for his life all game despite having two future HOF pass catchers and a HOF HC.

I agree with that 100% but their thoughts were that Willliams was only in his 2nd full year and they weren't going to move him to the right side then.

The problem is, they did (and may still) be thinking backwards; that Burrow can cover up the Oline deficiencies, with the the number of recievers they have.

They bank to much on potential and not enough on what's known and the "right way" to do it.

I was on board with taking Chase but i still don't like thier model. It's proven to bite them in the ass the last 3 seasons. One day they need to realize they have to build a wall and go from there. Also, they're way too loyal to some of thier guys *looking at Mixon and Tee*.

yeah, Burrow is on the Andrew Luck path right now. That's no bueno.

I think he's the clear QB#2, but you've got to keep him upright. You're not going anywhere until you build the wall.

Higgins, Chase, Boyd.

The Joey Luck Club

Said it before. Chase is going to break the bank. Higgins and Boyd are gone. Paying all three would destroy the team and Joe would need to score 50 a game if he can stay upright.

Building the wall is definitely the first step, but you'll then likely have to see how Burrows fares without elite WRs he played with in college. I think he's good enough to elevate WR talent, you can see that in the periods Chase has been injured, but it's still an unknown.

I've got two of the Chiefs' limited edition ones. I'll give one to my brother.

Is that a skyline chili flavored whiskey?

Whiskey wise, the Evan Williams in the background is better...

The destruction of Glass Joes Bengals will begin this March.

dude in the pic has a weird thumb ring... of course.

I've seen enough of Burrow to know he'll be ok without elite WRs. He'll use what he's given effectively.

You can get good OL in the late first.

You can't get Jamar Chase's there.

That was an easy choice. The issue is that building the OL just hasn't worked out and he holds the ball.

Seen enough? When? College? Nope. Pros? Nope. There is no evidence of this. He will have Chase.

Joe Burrow is more likely to be Chad Pennington now than Joe Montana.

Especially if you don't get rid of Orlando or move him to RT post-haste.

Orlando Brown could shorten Joe Burrow's career by 5-7 years.

Mahomes needs competition to keep interested. I guess there are younger guns on the rise

Mahomes may never have one making him better than Joe.

Yep. They work Oline like the Chiefs work WRs.

This is his 4th season. He's had several games where he's had guys out. His first year he had a rookie Tee, a broke down AJ Green and some blocking sleds to throw to.

Nah. It's not like that.

Regarding hometown favorites and whiskey, there's actually a BBQ flavored whiskey.

Reviews of course are people either absolutely hating it or really loving it... and it's only 68 proof, so I imagine it's closer to Fireball in quality.

In theory though, seems like it could work, especially with a smokey flavor to it... if nothing else, could be good for biurbon bloody marys.


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So with elite talent he couldn't win the SB but without it you think he will be just as good? There is zero evidence of this. Joe is a very good QB but has proven tom be just that. Until he actually gets them the trophy he's like every other good QB. A non champ.

Stroud is looking pretty damn good. He's actually fairly close to Patrick's record for passing yardage by each game played. Stroud is at 3266 yards in 11 games and Patrick was at 3434.

One thing to remember about that though, is the fact that the Texans are playing a last place schedule. Patrick has faced a first place schedule every year of his career.

Stroud.

probably his deep ball will never be the same

Their defense was off this year and they were on the outside looking in for a playoff spot WITH Burrow and those weapons. Cincinnati in the Burrow era always leaned on their defense which has moved backwards. Wait until they have to pay Chase as well. Gonna be very hard to keep a solid defense on the field, along with a line that doesn’t prematurely end Burrow’s career.

Effectively gets you in the playoffs, not a SB championship. Your time may have come and gone.

He's a damn good QB. But, its been proven again and again that even an elite QB cant win a SB by himself.

I'm a fan of fireball so BBQ doesn't sound like something that would cause the apocalypse, unlike chili soup flavored whiskey.

On that note, i think i will go ahead and grab a 4 way(onion) on the way home tonight. With some garlic bread and a Mt Dew, of course.

I get that you're a fan of a different team and you've prob only watched Burrow a handful of times but you can't begin to discount how the Oline has failed in the most critical of times.

You keep saying there's zero evidence to support it when there's, in fact, plenty of video evidence to support it.

As far as being "just as good" i haven't ever said that and i don't think it would be smart to not expect a percentage of less output without Chase, Tee and Boyd. I just don't believe that percentage would be as big as you would.

That would be due to scheme, not an injury. His accuracy, at every level, is elite.

One thing most people outside of Cincy isn't going to notice is that, while they do lean on the defense, if they need to get in a shootout they're capable. Zac and Burrow both taylor (no pun intended) their play and play calling to the score. They already have several guys on rookie contracts that have a good amount of snaps, who will step in when guys like Reader and Awuzie are gone.

Jesse Bates was brought up earlier and Dax is is at least on par with what Bates did here and better in some areas. Any decline in the back end had to do with Nick Scott's play. Jordan Battle is the starter now, so the back end will get better. They're a bit short on pure pass rushers as Miles Murphy hasn't shown a whole lot yet and everyone's favorite Ossai has been pretty quiet this year.

The defense, while never up there in numbers before, has been noticeably worse this year, but when Burrow was healthy they were doing some damage before the Texans game. I can't see any reason why they wouldn't continue to be a top 5 team in the next few years, as long as they realize the line still needs fixed. Other guys are already in place. A decent run game wouldn't hurt either.

It's all about hitting in the draft when you are paying your QB, we bitch about a few misses, particularly at WR on here, but Veach has done a great job drafting at 29 or later every year. You will get the benefit of a mid-round pick this year with the Burrow injury, but it is really really hard to be competitive if you don't draft well and are paying a QB a large percentage of the cap.

That's why signing Chase is paramount and they realize that. They just need to realize they need to let Tee go and only sign Boyd if the numbers work for the team.

True. It's 1/3 the reason the Chiefs have been what they've been, consistently. Elite FO, elite HC, the best QB.

The Bengals have some good hits everywhere but the line for the last few years. HC can be good with Burrow in there and Burrow can play to the level of a SB QB.

I did not want to play them again in the playoffs this year. Bengals are loaded and it baffles me how the Rams beat them because they shouldn't have. My point is it will get harder for Joe from now on. He will have to make more plays outside the pocket without Tee and Boyd. It's not likely they will stay.

If you ever make it up to Lakewood, NY (and they might sell it online), Southern Tier has a distillery that makes an apple cinnamon whiskey that's smooth and delicious. IMO, significantly better than Fireball.

Joe getting the ball with 2 minutes left and a field goal away from winning at Arrowhead was me living out my worst football nightmare in the AFCCG.

Spags getting the stop with enough time to win it was his greatest defensive accomplishment since shutting down the 07 Patriots.

my heart sank like so many chiefs postseason losses before

chris jones is a legend

That was f****** scary.

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Orlando still sucks shit.

He got a ring when he had a better QB. He may get another one now that he has Browning. Joe is the new Wentz. His back up will get it done.

don't give this ****ing loser the satisfaction of engagement

his season is over

I was sitting on the floor watching because that was my "lucky spot". I slammed my hands down so hard after they completed that 3rd and long that I thought I broke my hand. LMAO.

Thank God for the Chris Jones sack on the next set of downs.

Are you high or trolling???

Feline Minshew's litterbox squats will be uncovered

Jabbing at the Bengals guy over Orlando Brown. It would be funny though, in a crap kind of way because it's not us, if Joe wasn't responsible for a SB title. Wentz whole career was ruined by it.