I predict some shit team like the Panthers going all in to try to salvage the Bryce Young pick.

Yeah it's a tough work environment these days. Hard to retire. Driving a cab on Mars sayin "man, I got 18 kids to feed."

Yup.

These guys are playing full 7v7 seasons when they're 11 or 12 years old, they're running complicated passing offenses in College.

They're as easy to evaluate and identify as they've ever been. Their learning curves are as flat as they've ever been.

And we have the baddest MFer on earth under center.

Churn and burn. Create a WR ladder of sorts where you're never truly dependent on a rookie, but constantly losing a guy after year 4 and a guy in year 2 steps up (with a new 1st/2nd round rookie creating the next ladder rung). When something like Skyy happens (and it will) then you dip into the FA marketplace for a value FA as a band-aid.

But unless/until I see a team pay these WRs real money and actually DO something with one, it just doesn't seem to make sense to me. This isn't the path to championships.

Tyreek homecoming pipedreams kicking off in 3....2....1....

They really need to do something splashy. A guy like Hill or J Jefferson would transform their offense and possibly salvage that pick.

LMAO

There is no salvaging that pick. There's only making it worse.

It’s not looking good at this point, I agree. And something splashy has huge potential to backfire and make it worse.

But, man, idk. Idk what you do if you’re the Panthers..

You play out the season and when you eventually end up with the #1 overall pick, you either take another QB, or accept that the QB class is shit and try to get a big haul (like the Bears did to the Panthers).

They'd surely have to trade their 1st next year for Hill or JJ, so you could be looking at another disaster where they traded the #1 overall pick AGAIN.

Probably micro manage your team and lash out at anyone who tests you?

Well, that's what Tepper is doing about it anyway

We did it for a late 1st when Hill was 28. I bet they could pull it off without sacrificing their 1, especially if it came after this next season when Hill would be 31.

I’m not sure it’d be the best option but ****, man. They haven’t won the division, which is terrible, or a playoff game since 2015. They haven’t had a winning season since 2017. Ever since Cam left it’s been a carousel of garbage QB after garbage QB. They just traded away their only blue chipper in Brian Burns. The cupboards are bare and the outlook isn’t great. I have to wonder at what point the fandom starts showing up wearing paper bags and flying banners.

Trading for a guy like Hill would ignite the fanbase’s hope again and put butts in the seats.

You're assuming the Dolphins are in the same position the Chiefs were. The Dolphins, who are in win now mode, only hope is that their WRs can overcome their QB. They aren't trading Hill for anything less than a 1st next year.

The best thing the Panthers can do is what they have done. They got Young some help with Diontae Johnson, Xavier Legette, and Jonathan Brooks, now they need him to sink or swim. Investing future draft picks in a 30 year old WR when they don't know if their QB is the answer is a terrible idea. They can't afford that after trading up for Young.

If Young fails, it is very likely they will be the worst team in the NFL again, and that draft pick is exactly how they would fix their mistake.

As for doing it next year, they're going to be so bad this year that I think it's moot. They will likely have a new QB next year anyways.

Has anyone figured out WHY they took Young over Stroud? It's not as stupid as Trubiski over Mahomes, but it's up there.

The owner literally overruled his coach and GM. His hubris is amazing. He said something like he felt good about how he like how Bryce Young interacted at meet and greets. lol it's just astounding.

Everyone, including Tyreek, knows he ain’t playing in Miami on this contract after this upcoming season. His stint in town has a very clear expiration date, which would help the Panthers, I’d think.

I agree with the bolded. I think after trading so many picks for Young you’ve gotta slow play this, but isn’t the non-bolded what you do to figure out if the QB is the answer or not? Ideally you’d surround the QB with weapons to being with, but they obviously failed there massively so now you try to remedy that while he’s still young and salvageable.

He’s only one year into his career. No one knows if he’ll pan out or not, and that includes guys in the building.

In the last 10 years they’ve seen their home grown QB shit himself to lose a SB and then a horrific trade for a small QB result in passing on CJ Stroud and Caleb Williams.

Those poor fans

We'll just call it the Cassel Doctrine

"Whatever we do, we must continue to plow assets into making this god-awful decision of ours look merely mediocre..."

Good organizations move on from mistakes. Average ones just work around them. Truly bad organizations double down on them.

We'll see where Carolina falls but I have my guesses...

Imagine being a Carolina fan and realizing that your team missed out on Stroud AND Williams all because your owner was enamored with Young.

Has to be rough. Despite getting to the Super Bowl twice in their 29 short years, they’re a fairly forgettable franchise.

If it helps just think of them as Duke fans and their plight becomes easier to laugh at

Their only hope is that they're the worst team in the NFL again, and somebody like Carson Beck emerges as a legitimate #1 overall type of QB, or they get a haul.

what other fan base has ever pitched in and got a "fire the GM and bench the QB" banner flown over the game?

Pioli was the biggest piece of shit GM that's ever GM'd.

Don't shed any tears for them. I live here and they're all bandwagoners.

Yeah, but either way they need to take their medicine like you and DJ are saying.

It's tantamount to a bad golf shot. You can double down and try to punch it under the trees and over the water to carry 220, but if you don't carry that then you have penalty strokes and you're REALLY ****ED, or you can take your medicine and layup to live for another hole. WAY too many teams elect to choose the former rather than the latter.

This, and we most likely don’t have CJ95 if we have Reek. And we’ve won 2 without him and with Chris so…

I bet you Denver tries to get him. They will have more resources after this season. And to them it would be a **** you to KC. But, we shut him down for the most part. And he’s getting older.

Would not surprise me at all.

It's why I've always disagreed with Beuhler. Pioli was absolutely a way more toxic and horrible cancer to this franchise than Herm.

This is why a roster churn at WR through the draft along with cheap 1-2 year deals for WR's who are ring hunting makes the most sense. WR just isn't the difference maker that you would think given their salaries. At $30 million+ a year they need to be the reason for why teams win SBs. They aren't.

Yes.

Herm was just a shitty coach.

Pioli was rotten to the core. Everything he did was toxic, and his arrogance made him even more unlikable.

**** him. Forever. My detestation for that mother ****er will never wain.

Exactly. Randy Moss was on the Patriots for 4 years and they didn’t win a SB in that timeframe.

Herm was just a run of the mill bad coach. They're everywhere and he was ours. Pioli was a once in a generation disaster.

Tyson Jackson really likes Pioli, though.

Cue Hamas’s epic thread and rant.

Agreed. This is the lesson I learned when we traded Tyreek. I thought it would ruin the Chiefs. I could not have been more wrong. It actually happened at the right time in the evolution of Mahomes. It forced change, and Mahomes and the Chiefs became better for it. If you have the best QB, all things are possible. Not so with the best WR.

Two titles in 2 years without him. He can enjoy all the failed seasons under beta boy while swimming in a sea of money...but will never again win a title

Oh he was. It’s totally a me thing. Herm crashed the plane. Pioli was just Ghengis Khan over the wreckage.

By the time Pioli got here I was already jaded and tuned the **** out. Herm pissed all over my beloved franchise.

Plus even after all was said and done Herm had supporters, saying bullshit like, “it didn’t work out but it was exactly what the Chiefs needed” and dogshit. So I kind of went Chernobyl and laid waste to the country side. Just put up an exclusion zone and leave me be.

I can appreciate that. It’s one thing to shake your head and go, “Man this guy sucks” but it’s something else when you have to educate a cult of morons who can’t spot the obvious failure in front of their faces.

Might be why KC had a string of controversial QBs prior to Mahomes

This is a really good observation I think. It’s another illustration of how you hear intelligence and analysis on this board that you don’t hear from the Talking Heads. I was listening to a PFF podcast commenting on how the cost of receivers is going up so much after waddles signing And speculating that Jefferson could get 40 million.

Nobody made the observation that is made above about how you are not likely going to win a Super Bowl that way, and the solution is roster churn at WR. Of course it helps to have a team that WRs who are ring hunting want to come to and GM who makes good draft picks.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� Tyreek Hill is projected to sign a 4yr/$140m contract extension, including $85m guaranteed, per <a href="https://twitter.com/BleacherReport?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BleacherReport</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoFins?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoFins</a> <a href="https://t.co/68U8rb6l6z">pic.twitter.com/68U8rb6l6z</a></p>&mdash; FinsXtra (@FinsXtra) <a href="https://twitter.com/FinsXtra/status/1797704226338148693?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 3, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dayum. He still had 3 years left on his current deal.

Reek got paid again my lord

Since it's an extension I guess he's signed through 2030.

I don't see anything about that other than that tweet.

Also, "projected", so I don't think anything is done.

It was in my twitter feed, but not sure who reposted it as I don't follow that source. But it appears speculation based on this article:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...sons-140m-deal

Tyreek is getting paid!




Then you dig and find out the source is actually, once again, MIKE FLORIO

It's a great time when we don't care nor pine for an overpaid player.

Let all these other franchises screw themselves for a shot a mediocrity.

Fins turning into a full-on shit show right before our eyes.

just another reason that we got rid of him...

he was never going to be a 'team' player. :thumb:

Adding Tyreek Hill to the Panthers while Bryce Young is the QB, would be like putting some Christian Louboutin high heels on a pig. Sure, those heels will make the pig look sexier, but it's still a pig.

We shut him down for the most part because one, Tua is his QB, and two, Sneed is uncommon. Not that Hill would do anything different with Nix at QB, but he is currently being limited by his QB.

Since the trade, he's had the two most productive seasons of his career. Tua blows, but Hill's production has been maxed out in Miami.

I was gonna say, if this is a limited Hill then shit....

Dude has to regret leaving the Chiefs. His bank account may be a bit lighter but he'd still be singing all the way to the bank with 2 rings.

And zero ****s were given.

Plus his personality kinda sucked.

My favorite memory of Tyreek Hill's time with the Chiefs was not paying him

He had a monster year, but if you go back and watch.....Tyreek had some pretty bad drops at bad times last year for them.

What in the hell is Miami doing, exactly?

His fumble against us in Germany gave us the game, essentially.

Jesus, how much does Miami have tied up in just 2 receivers? Waddle and Hill are great receivers, but that's a hell of a lot of scratch to pay those guys.

And looking back at the trade compensation we got for him was actually pretty incredible.

They don't have a choice, their QB can't win without all those weapons.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tyreek Hill on how Justin Jefferson deal affects talks with Dolphins: &quot;Being greedy ain&#39;t gonna help the team&quot;<a href="https://t.co/JftjrjhvoK">https://t.co/JftjrjhvoK</a> <a href="https://t.co/f2ISLokhFf">pic.twitter.com/f2ISLokhFf</a></p>&mdash; Around The NFL (@AroundTheNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1798068703981904053?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 4, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Hahahahahaha

That's pretty rich.

Lulz

It sure helped the Chiefs.

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

If you read the article it's actually nothing like the tweet. He's not talking about Justin Jefferson. He's just saying he's not worried about an extension and wants something that works for both him and the team. And given he's already had his second contract monster payday it's not the same as when he left for Miami at all.

that twitter feed has proven untrustworthy on a number of occasions if I remember correctly

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tyreek Hill looking for new deal from Dolphins <a href="https://t.co/q8MapTvboB">https://t.co/q8MapTvboB</a></p>&mdash; Rotoworld Football (@rotoworld_fb) <a href="https://twitter.com/rotoworld_fb/status/1807870682937937993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wait, I thought he already declared he was walking away from football at the end of this current contract? Maybe being a video game streamer doesn't pay well enough to rebuild a house?

Reek needs da money to financially support all dem baby mommas...

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.

When he left for Miami I figured he would play out his contract there and then ultimately return to finish his career in KC. But with Rice and Worthy (so long as they pan out) I don’t really see that as an option anymore.

We win more Super Bowls without him being a pain in the ass on the team.

Sounds good to me.

Yup. His stupidity is going to spend it all.

He was gonna make porn but found out all the money is in gay porn

It's really weird because we traded Tyreek, have tried to recreate Tyreek every single time we could, but we haven't needed Tyreek. Good luck Miami on that next contract, I'd trade him to another team in the NFC personally instead of paying him Justin Jefferson money, before the performance starts to decline.

NOOOOOOOO!!!

Or gives your QB 9 extra INT's due to tipped passes...

Narrator:

"It wasn't awesome"

LMAO LMAO LMAO

That is ****ing gold. Great find.