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WilliamTheIrish 10-04-2011 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 7968641)
SEC is best so f'ck the rest. Welcome Mizzou! Big XII is for b*tches.

Adam... Goddammit, is this one of your siblings? It's like a more brain damaged Samwise Hall.

Frazod 10-04-2011 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 7968622)
This weekend is on ABC @ K-State. You're thinking of next week. Homecoming vs. ISU.

Which totally sucks dick for me because it'll be PPV or nothing. I pay one low monthly price for the Fox Channels, but the unholy alliance of ABC and ESPrickN doesn't let anybody who isn't local ride for free.

And this is a big game, too, so I'm going to have to pay it. 4321

Al Bundy 10-05-2011 05:54 AM

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/oc...rder-war-bask/
Kansas University basketball coach Bill Self says he hopes the University of Missouri remains a proud member of the Big 12 Conference.

If the Tigers do decide to bolt for the SEC, however, they will do so aware there’s the chance they’ll never play KU in hoops in the regular season again.

“To me it’s a great rivalry, one of the best in college basketball without question, but I don’t think I would be interested in having a once a year game like I did when I was at Illinois, playing Missouri,” Self told the Journal-World on Tuesday night.

He was speaking after learning Missouri’s Board of Curators announced it has delegated power to MU chancellor Brady Deaton to explore options for future conference affiliation.

“I could probably change my mind (but) trust me, we would have no trouble finding another nonleague game to play. I love the rivalry (uninterrupted since 1907 with KU leading 171-94). Playing home and home in the league is great and all those things ... (but) I can’t imagine, why would we continue playing?

“If they choose to be somewhere other than with us and with the other schools that they’ve been a part of and could jeopardize the future of the other schools ... I’m not going to make a commitment now that we’d ever play again. I’m not saying we won’t. I’m certainly not going to pretend that we would.”

Self grew animated when it was suggested the media would likely ask for a continuation of the series with perhaps a once-a-year meeting between the Border War combatants in Sprint Center in Kansas City, Mo.

“I’m not saying it would be bad or won’t be bad (playing once on neutral court). I will say this ... the media is not going to dictate who we play. I’ll dictate who we play as long as I’m coaching here,” Self said. “I have no ill will toward Missouri at all, but to do something at a time that could be so damaging and hurtful to a group, I can’t see us just taking it and forgetting. I think that would be something that’d be talked about with our administration and we’d make a decision that’s best for our place. They are making a decision that’s best for theirs. We’ll make a decision on a schedule that’s best for us.

“I am not going to schedule Missouri just to schedule Missouri. I’m going to schedule what’s best for us, period. That’s how it’s going to be.”

There’s already precedent for KU not going out of its way to schedule teams that flee the league.

“We’re not playing Nebraska,” Self said of the Huskers, who like Missouri, are within close geographic proximity to KU. “There are other schools we could certainly try to find games with. That will be sad for a lot of fans if it comes to that,” he added of the end of the KU-MU rivalry. “Hopefully it won’t. Hopefully they’ll want to stay and be part of the Big 12.”

Self stressed that any future scheduling decisions would be made after seeing “how our league plays out. Our league schedule will determine what we do nonconference. I don’t think we would feel we owe anybody or any other school in our league would feel we owe anybody anything that leave. That doesn’t mean we couldn’t continue a relationship. To think we HAVE to do it, there’s no ‘have to’ at all. Only way we do it is if it’s what’s best for us.

“We will do what’s best for us from a scheduling standpoint. And that will create absolutely no controversy at all.”

Self has no idea what would happen in KU’s other sports if the Tigers leave the league.

“I don’t know how the football program feels. I am not into scheduling (football). Unless it’s mandated from above, I want to play who I want to play,” he said. “I’m not saying it wouldn’t be them (Tigers), I’m certainly not. We can’t assume they’d play us.”

One thing is for sure ... “Of course I want them to stay. I want to play them twice a year in the league. They want to play us twice a year in the league. It’s great,” Self said.

Zenger says

track 10-05-2011 06:05 AM

If MU leaves...have to agree with Self.....permanently take them off the BBall schedule..and all other sports too.

Al Bundy 10-05-2011 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by track (Post 7968840)
If MU leaves...have to agree with Self.....permanently take them off the BBall schedule..and all other sports too.

It will hurt basketball a bit, but it will completely wipe out football support, especially in Kansas City.

Bambi 10-05-2011 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by track (Post 7968840)
If MU leaves...have to agree with Self.....permanently take them off the BBall schedule..and all other sports too.

Of course they would.

The other schools are standing strong with each other and will continue to move forward and achieve.

I liked the rivalry with MU mostly because of the history and proximity and it is sad if it has to end.

Kansas is completely happy and makes all the money they need in this conference. They have no reason or desire for things to change so in that regard they are hardly without blame.

Bambi 10-05-2011 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by UCF Knight (Post 7968843)
It will hurt basketball a bit, but it will completely wipe out football support, especially in Kansas City.

Hardly. The football team will be fine.

You see lacking numbers at KU games now for multiple reasons.

1. Many did not support the TG hire and are showing it by staying away.

2. People are going through tough times financially. It's hard for any school in America to have huge fanbases in both major sports. KU fans will pay for bball first. Not a matter of commitment more than it is a matter of their wallet.

eazyb81 10-05-2011 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by track (Post 7968840)
If MU leaves...have to agree with Self.....permanently take them off the BBall schedule..and all other sports too.

Caution: Butthurt Posts Ahead

Saulbadguy 10-05-2011 06:44 AM

Mizzou and West Virginia fans both seem convinced they are going to the SEC.

NewChief 10-05-2011 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by UCF Knight (Post 7968831)
I love the rivalry (uninterrupted since 1907 with KU leading 171-94).

ROFL

I'm sure KU does love that "rivalry."

I'm not making light of the fact that there's bad blood between KU and MU, because I witness it here constantly. But I think that KU is going to miss the "rivalry" a lot more than MU does, at least in basketball. Of course, earlier in the thread, I sang the praises of getting the joy of playing Alabama in football, so I'm being a bit hypocritical.

NewChief 10-05-2011 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7968863)
Mizzou and West Virginia fans both seem convinced they are going to the SEC.

The WV rumor has been flying around a lot. I really, really hope its MU instead of WV, simply for selfish proximity reasons. WV certainly makes sense to add to the East, though.

DaKCMan AP 10-05-2011 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7968863)
Mizzou and West Virginia fans both seem convinced they are going to the SEC.

WVU and its fans are dumb.

Saulbadguy 10-05-2011 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7968875)
WVU and its fans are dumb.

Yeah, I thought that once and it worked out well for me.

kcpasco 10-05-2011 06:56 AM

A lot of butthurt coming from Self

Reerun_KC 10-05-2011 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 7968878)
A lot of butthurt coming from Self

As it should be...

Coach Self is a BCS coach and he loves coaching at KU... MU is going to a BCS conference while KU is headed straight to Conference USA or MWC...

IF they are that lucky...


MU is manning up, KU is swallowing Texas... Why wouldnt Coach Self be pissed?

DaKCMan AP 10-05-2011 07:14 AM

Long read, but Awesome.

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EXPANSION BY THE NUMBERS 9: ACADEMIC FIT
October 5th, 2011 07:00 AM║ Posted By: John Pennington

As we enter the homestretch of our numbers-specific look at SEC expansion, it might be a good time to look back at what we’ve done so far.

For starters, you can read our original lengthy piece on SEC expansion from May of 2010 right here. There are numbers involved, but our goal was to find which schools — out of the 18 we studied — would best fit the SEC’s profile for expansion. Take a look at it and you’ll find that Texas A&M — viewed as a tag-along with Texas by most people — and Missouri — not considered an SEC option by any other major outlets at the time — scored very highly in our study.

In the past year since that piece was published, we’ve spoken with a number of administrators and sources at BCS-level institutions who have said our breakdowns were on the mark in terms of what school presidents consider when discussing expansion. Armed with those attaboys, we contacted — and were contacted by — other sources in the television, media rights and college sports industries. We asked them for their views on what matters, why it matters, and how much it matters. And with that information, we began this year’s SEC expansion project.

The gist? We chose a ridiculous 35 schools for comparison just to makes sure someone didn’t say, “What about my team?” Sadly, we’ve gotten a lot of that anyway. But we looked at 35 knowing that not all of those 35 would be candidates for the SEC in any way, shape or form.

We also chose to use very simple numbers — often times the numbers used by our sources as examples when talking to us — to help explain what categories matter when it comes to expansion.



Part 1: Grading Potential SEC Partners served as our introduction.

Part 2: Television Markets was a look at the Top 40 television markets located within 200 miles driving distance of a school’s campus. A television network executive suggested we just look at the Top 40 markets because that’s likely what networks would consider. We put the line at 200 miles because a line had to be put somewhere.

Part 3: Total State Population provided an indication of the number of potential fans, cable households, and future students/alumni/donors living in a school’s home state.

Part 4: Proximity broke down the distances from our 35 schools to the center of the current conference — Birmingham.

Part 5: Fertile Recruiting Ground was an examination of the total number of NFL draft picks from each school’s home state over a 10-year period.

Part 6: Athletic Budgets looked at — wait for it — the athletic spending of each of the 35 schools on our list.

Part 7: Football Stadium Size attempted to put a gauge on how much fan support schools count upon as well as the level of “football craze” on each campus.

Part 8: Athletic Success broke down Director’s Cup success — in order to grasp schools’ overall athletic success — and the number of NCAA Tournament and bowl bids received over a 10-year span — in order to judge success in the two biggest money-making sports.



So…

* We’re looking at too big a selection of schools and we know it.

* We’re using simple numbers in order to avoid debate (though that really hasn’t helped much because anyone seeing a number that makes his/her school look bad immediately attacks that number).

* We know full well that Mike Slive and the SEC’s presidents will not be using a formula to judge expansion candidates. We’re using a formula only as a tool to show which categories matter — according to our multiple sources — when it comes to expansion.

* We’ve tried to make it clear that these categories are numeric representations of “reputations” held by the 35 schools we’re discussing. When it comes to academics, for example, we doubt Bernie Machen, Dan Jones and Harris Pastides will be thumbing through the college rankings of Forbes or US News and World Report. But they will, however, consider whether or not a school would help the SEC’s academic brand… and therefore their own institutions’. The numbers we use help to give you an idea of what reputations these schools carry in a number of areas. We’re using something specific to give you a view into the generic.

* We’ve also tried to make it clear that the politics and timing of expansion can make one category the most important one minute and the least important the next. Think of it like drafting quarterbacks. QB1 and QB2 might be separated by their accuracy. But QB2 and QB3 might be equally accurate which would require them to judged based upon their mobility, for example. In other words — just as our sources have tried to provide for us — we’re trying to provide for you a ballpark idea of how these decisions are made. Nothing is cut and dried. These categories matter, but they may matter in totally different ways to different conferences.

* Finally, we haven’t skewed the numbers. In fact we haven’t even tallied them yet. We’ve written on numerous occasions that Missouri will be accepted as School #14 if it breaks away from the Big 12. We’re not alone in saying that, of course. We’ve said that numerous SEC sources believe Slive would love to land North Carolina (though we think that’s impossible). And we’ve said that West Virginia likely would be a fallback choice only, even though we believe WVU would be an excellent athletic and cultural fit. (Our sources have told us we’re right about West Virginia.) We’ve also stated our opinion that Florida State would be the best possible “get” for the league, but we’ve weighted things so strongly toward “new” markets and new land in this expansion series that FSU may score very, very low in our formula. Even so, we have our views, we know what shaped them, and we know who shares them. So we don’t need to try and convince you to agree with us. We’re not trying to brainwash Slive or influence any SEC presidents (as has been suggested), though I’m sure they’re all glued to this site as we speak. If you agree with our views, great. If you don’t, fine. The only thing we’re trying to convince you of is what matters in these expansion discussions.



All that said, in Part 9, we’re going to look at the academics of our 35 schools.

This Category: Academic Fit

Why: Because the SEC has a definite “type” of school and that similarity helps bind it together. For our purposes, we’ll look at whether or not the 35 schools on our list are an academic fit with the SEC’s 12 current schools. And we’ll do this by studying a number of different factors.

US News and World Report’s 2012 rankings help to give a general idea of a school’s academic reputation. Total enrollment is considered. Ditto whether or not a school is private or a major, public university. We’ll look at religious affiliation as well as the size of the city in which each school is located.

To find the academic fits out there, we first had to identify the SEC’s profile. And here’s what that profile is (not counting soon-to-be-member Texas A&M):



* A public institution. Vanderbilt is the SEC’s only private school.

* A school with an average total enrollment of about 27,000 students (typically with a lesser emphasis on post-graduate studies and research).

* A school ranked somewhere between #58 (Florida) and #157 (Mississippi State). Vanderbilt ranks #17, but it’s certainly not the norm in the SEC. Note also that while presidents would love to nab a school ranked highly (meaning a school with a superb reputation), those schools aren’t likely to jump to Slive’s league. Call it the “halo effect.” School presidents want to associate with other top-name institutions in order to improve their own school’s reputation (and donations).

* A school with no religious affiliation. Not a single SEC school is tied to a church.

* A school in a somewhat rural area. With the exception of Vanderbilt, no SEC school is located in a city with more than 300,000 inhabitants. This “one-horse town” factor is one reason SEC fans are so passionate about their schools’ athletic exploits. With the exception of Nashville, there are no SEC towns featuring major league teams.



That’s a pretty clear profile. Now which of our 35 schools fit it?

The chart below lists the schools from the ACC followed by the Big East, Big 12 and our five “wild cards.” Areas that do not fit the SEC’s profile are italicized. For us to deem a school as a poor academic fit, it must fail to match the SEC profile in two of our four main categories. (Enrollment varies, so we’ll not count off there. That category is just for your information.)

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* Keeping in mind that we’re talking about an academic fit and not whether or not a school is a good fit location-wise, athletics-wise, etc… we would consider 12 schools to be “perfect” fits with the SEC from an academic sense: Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Connecticut, Rutgers, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas A&M.

* Last summer, the whole world expected the SEC to turn east in expansion, but instead it’s landed Texas A&M, talked to Oklahoma (last year), and is apparently waiting on Missouri this year. The dysfunctional make-up of their conference is one reason for that, sure, but no league more closely resembles the SEC than the Big 12. Like the SEC, the Big 12 is made up mostly of big, public schools in rural areas. Big 12 schools fit the SEC profile. It shouldn’t be a surprise that the SEC is considering Big 12 schools or membership.

* A number of schools are listed as being academic fits with the SEC, without being perfect. Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia and Penn State are all considered to be better academic schools than those in the SEC — fair or not. They also reside in conferences that are considered to be more academically reputable than the SEC. And we haven’t yet seen any school migrate from the ACC, Big Ten or Pac-12 for leagues with lesser scholastic reputations.

* NC State, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati are located in larger cities — all with pro teams — and that doesn’t fit the SEC profile. But of those, NC State would be the most likely SEC target because the Wolfpack would give the SEC a foothold in a large Southern state. Another plus for NC State is the fact that despite the city’s size, the only major league professional franchise in town happens to be an NHL team.

* Schools like Texas Tech, West Virginia and East Carolina would add very little to the SEC’s academic reputation. As we’ve noted elsewhere on this site, we’ve heard from more than one source that there are presidents in the league who have concerns about WVU’s reputation. That’s not to say it’s a bad school or that that fact is a dealbreaker, only that it’s been mentioned as an issue. Sorry to anyone that upsets, but it’s what we’ve been told by people working in the administration side of more than one SEC school. (Something has cause WVU to be passed over in the current expansion frenzy.) And if there are academic concerns regarding WVU’s ability to aid the SEC’s reputation, you can bet the same would be true of Texas Tech and East Carolina. Especially ECU.

* Syracuse would be a perfect fit from an academic standpoint if it weren’t a private school. The SEC only has one of those at the moment.

For the sake of comparison, here are the facts and figures for the SEC’s current roster of universities:

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* As you can see, 11 of the SEC’s 12 institutions are very, very similar. It’s not hard to spot the league’s overall profile.

* Not surprisingly, Texas A&M will fit the SEC profile perfectly. And if Missouri joins the league, MU will be a perfect academic fit as well.

* Vanderbilt is clearly the outsider in the bunch. A Top 20, private university, located in a major metropolitan area with professional teams competing for entertainment dollars.

* With Vanderbilt, the average US News and World Report rank for an SEC school is #99. Without Vandy, that number falls to about #107.

Up next in Part 10 of our SEC expansion series, we’ll provide some final bonus categories, a full tally of the scores, and a number of observations and conclusions regarding each school on our list.
http://www.mrsec.com/2011/10/expansi...-academic-fit/

Saulbadguy 10-05-2011 08:00 AM

Mike DeArmond is a train wreck.

Bearcat 10-05-2011 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7968844)
Kansas is completely happy and makes all the money they need in this conference. They have no reason or desire for things to change so in that regard they are hardly without blame.

You're a tool.

Frazod 10-05-2011 08:08 AM

Has anybody checked on Stewie? He lost a lot of blood last night.

Saulbadguy 10-05-2011 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7969007)
Has anybody checked on Stewie? He lost a lot of blood last night.

He's really outed himself to be a complete dumbass. Kinda sad.

eazyb81 10-05-2011 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7968987)
Mike DeArmond is a train wreck.

Nate Bukaty was literally sobbing live on the air.

"What about my kids?"

ChiTown 10-05-2011 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7968987)
Mike DeArmond is a train wreck.

Dear God, that was painful listening to DeArmond this morning. I mean, was he drunk, having a seizure, or just still a raving dumbass?

eazyb81 10-05-2011 08:13 AM

This was lost in the shuffle last night, but another great article from Clay Travis on Outkick The Coverage.

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Missouri Fans Triumph In SEC Campaign



Published on: October 04, 2011 | Written by: Clay Travis


Missouri fans decided they wanted to join the SEC and they would not accept no for an answer. Over the past three weeks the Tigers have inundated the board of curators, administrators, and other athletic department officials demanding that the Tigers join the SEC. A few minutes ago those fans' voices were heard: Missouri officially announced its board of curators had unanimously given the chancellor of the university authority to explore conference options. Welcome to the SEC, Missouri fans, you've fought for a league bid when your administration wanted to stay in the Big 12 and risk the future.

When the administration was too afraid to act, the Missouri fans stepped up and refused to risk the status quo. What if the Big 12 nears implosion again in a few years -- which it will -- what if Missouri is left standing when this game of conference realignment musical chairs comes to an end? Nope, Missouri fans weren't willing to risk that.

Not hardly.

That's because the college football universe has changed. And it's not all because of conference realignment. If this had been 1992, the last time the SEC expanded, Missouri's administration could have ignored the fan base and the massive percentages of Mizzou fans -- approaching 90% -- who wanted the SEC. But with the rise of social media, the Internet, Twitter, and Facebook, fans have the ability to mobilize like never before. OKTC felt the groundswell of fan support ever since we broke the news a month ago that Missouri had become the SEC's top target for a 14th school.

Missouri fans visited the site in record numbers as we continued to post updates on the Big 12 insanity. Finally, Chuck Neinas, interim Big 12 commissioner gave the SEC an opening. Asked whether the Big 12 would survive without Missouri Neinas replied: "Yes, I think it could be viable because there's a lot of strength in the conference."

If the Big 12 wasn't going to die, then the SEC couldn't be blamed for swooping in and making a second big-time addition in the same month.
Now that Missouri is exploring options, let's consider what we know. (By the way, you don't explore options with the intent of staying. Try that line on your girlfriend.)

1. SEC commissioner Mike Slive winsthis stage of realignment.


Slive's SEC adds two AAU schools, doubling the SEC's number of members, adds 31 million people to the SEC's existing 50 million population footprint, goes in to two new states with large media markets, and snags two of the Big 12's four most valuable programs -- Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, and Missouri were the four most valuable remaining Big 12 schools.

Given that Oklahoma came with the price of Oklahoma State, Texas has always been too scared to join the SEC, and West Virginia isn't a good school and has contractual committments in the Big East until 2014, Texas A&M and Missouri are plum additions.

2. The SEC Network in partnership with ESPN is coming.


This is still not getting much attention outside of OKTC, but I'm telling y'all this -- the addition of Texas A&M and Missouri is not just about getting more money out of the existing network deals. This is about more, a coming network partnership between the SEC and ESPN that will be a stand-alone channel modeled after the Big Ten Network.

Read about that network in two columns I did last week.

How quickly could this EC/ESPN partner network launch? In time for the 2012 football season if both sides move rapidly, which I think they'll be incentivized to do.

3. Missouri will make a decision to join the SEC by December 1, 2011.


That's because as OKTC told you last week -- there is no legitimate fear of a lawsuit and the Big 12 bylaws are so poorly drafted the damages for departing will be limited. You can read why that is here.

Missouri's exit fee should be the exact same as Texas A&M so long as they leave the Big 12 before December 1, 2011.

4. Auburn will probably swing to the SEC East.


This will be discussed at the SEC athletic director's meeting taking place tomorrow.

The SEC will play with two divisions.

The SEC East will be: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Auburn

The SEC West will be: Texas A&M, Missouri, Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State

5. Who will be Missouri and Texas A&M's yearly rivals?


You'll note that with Auburn's move to the SEC East, the Iron Bowl will become the cross division rivalry. Auburn's game against Georgia will be preserved now as a divisional game.

That means Tennessee and Georgia will need new yearly rivalry games. Who will play Texas A&M and who will play Missouri? That will also be discussed at the SEC athletic director's meeting tomorrow.

Here's an early guess for the Vols drawing Texas A&M. Yep, A&M may have dropped one UT for another.

Now, UT fans are already noting this -- the yearly UT-Alabama game would be the biggest casualty of realignment. The game could be preserved for a year or two, but going forward it would require either nine conference games -- a move that the lesser football schools would fight like hell because it might kill their bowl chances -- or an expansion to 16 and a further reevaluation of all schedules.

That's why I'm in favor of a simpler solution.

6. Split Missouri and A&M putting the two newest additions in different divisions in the same model used before when Arkansas and South Carolina were added.


In this scenario Missouri and Texas A&M would be yearly rivals but would play in the SEC East and SEC West respectively.
Personally, I like this plan much better. Here's a map courtesy of Mizzou2theSEC.


http://outkickthecoverage.com/tyfoon...uri%20east.jpg

This would have the benefit of preserving all existing rivalries.

Now the difficulty here is that Missouri would have long trips to Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. Games that are difficult to travel to over a weekend.

That could be ameliorated a bit, however by assigning Arkansas as the opening opponent in the SEC West. How about this to begin for Missouri: road games at Arkansas, Kentucky, UT and Vandy, home games with Florida, Georgia, A&M, and Kentucky.

All of the first season's road games would be easily reachable by car. Plus, the mileage for every game but Florida is less than the mileage for a game at Austin, Texas.

Don't believe me? Mental geography can be confusing.

Which is closer to Columbia, Missouri, Athens, Georgia or Austin, Texas?
Athens is actually 60 miles closer. Indeed, Missouri is closer geographically to every SEC East school (Florida excepted) than it is to Texas A&M.

Which do y'all prefer?

Especially with 14 likely just a couple of year stopping off point en route to 16.

7. Now comes the prolonged courtship dance between Missouri and the SEC.


It's already started, and it's a bit like how a vice-president is selected as a running mate.

The offer doens't come until you're sure of the answer.

Missouri will now prepare an application for the SEC and the SEC presidents will consider that application.

Expect for it to be accepted.

And expect for Missouri to join the conference at the same time as Texas A&M.

There's only one complexity that can happen now -- what if the Big Ten suddenly awakes from its slumber and gets interested in expansion too? Then the conference realignment hibernation comes to end in an instant. Until then, and I don't think the Big Ten is waking, Missouri fans are going to be working on their suntans.

Put on sunglasses, Mizzou fans, your future is bright. And lined with sundresses and championships.

duncan_idaho 10-05-2011 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7969015)
Nate Bukaty was literally sobbing live on the air.

"What about my kids?"

I enjoyed hearing SSJ ask Mike DeArmond if he knew any good Arkansas sports talk guys...

eazyb81 10-05-2011 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 7969026)
Dear God, that was painful listening to DeArmond this morning. I mean, was he drunk, having a seizure, or just still a raving dumbass?

What did he say that was incorrect? I thought it was a great interview, especially when commentators are actually suggesting Mizzou should have stayed to keep the Big 12 tournament within driving distance for ku fans.

Saulbadguy 10-05-2011 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 7969026)
Dear God, that was painful listening to DeArmond this morning. I mean, was he drunk, having a seizure, or just still a raving dumbass?

He's always drunk.

Crush 10-05-2011 08:18 AM

Mizzou to the SEC East is the best scenario for everyone involved in my opinion.

DaKCMan AP 10-05-2011 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Crush (Post 7969043)
Mizzou to the SEC East is the best scenario for everyone involved in my opinion.

Mizzou would become annual Gator bait. :D

ChiTown 10-05-2011 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7969041)
He's always drunk.

Well, I'd suggest that he's always a dumbass as well.

Dayze 10-05-2011 08:22 AM

I can't wait to hear KKs metldown today. I can't stand the guy, but I''ll be sure to listen today so I can hear that cry baby.

beer bacon 10-05-2011 08:28 AM

I thought the Dearmond interview was good, but I'm not a crying KU fan. If you all are so worried about the fate of KC, maybe you should move within the city limits, and help support her.

Saulbadguy 10-05-2011 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 7969070)
I thought the Dearmond interview was good, but I'm not a crying KU fan. If you all are so worried about the fate of KC, maybe you should move within the city limits, and help support her.

I'm not particularly worried about Kansas City. I think the basketball tournament will still be held there, because Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State fans will still travel well there.

Even if it's not, who gives a ****? They could move it to Dallas where no one will go to it, or leave it in Kansas City, regardless of what Mizzou does.

Reerun_KC 10-05-2011 08:32 AM

IF MU does leave... Then KU fans need to start rattling the cages of its Administrators as well...

ChiTown 10-05-2011 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7969078)
I'm not particularly worried about Kansas City. I think the basketball tournament will still be held there, because Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State fans will still travel well there.

Even if it's not, who gives a ****? They could move it to Dallas where no one will go to it, or leave it in Kansas City, regardless of what Mizzou does.

This

Saulbadguy 10-05-2011 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ReeTodd_KC (Post 7969081)
IF MU does leave... Then KU fans need to start rattling the cages of its Administrators as well...

Why?

KU (and K-State) are in no position to demand anything, and they'd be stupid to explore other options at this juncture. If MU leaves, add 2 teams to get back to 10 and call it good (for now).

When a school that actually matters (Oklahoma, Texas) get wandering eyes, that is when we need to panic.

Crush 10-05-2011 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7969046)
Mizzou would become annual Gator bait. :D

Looking forward to it. If everyone falls into place, there is no doubt some exciting some football ahead. Playing in the SEC can only make Mizzou better in the long run. Plus, there is little to no animosity from the rest of the SEC if Mizzou's admittance doesn't **** everything up.

Saul Good 10-05-2011 08:39 AM

I don't know where KU would go right now. If the B1G goes to 16, KU could be in the catbird seat to join Nebraska as Proud (junior) members of the B1G.

Saulbadguy 10-05-2011 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969099)
I don't know where KU would go right now. If the B1G goes to 16, KU could be in the catbird seat to join Nebraska as Proud (junior) members of the B1G.

I realize your trip to Worlds of Fun might dictate otherwise, but if super conferences happen, KU and K-State will both have a seat at the table somewhere.

DaKCMan AP 10-05-2011 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Crush (Post 7969096)
Looking forward to it. If everyone falls into place, there is no doubt some exciting some football ahead. Playing in the SEC can only make Mizzou better in the long run. Plus, there is little to no animosity from the rest of the SEC if Mizzou's admittance doesn't **** everything up.

Of course the SEC is good for Mizzou and Mizzou is a good addition to the SEC. Plus, it will allow me to talk about SEC football much more (yes, even more than now) around here. ;)

eazyb81 10-05-2011 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969099)
I don't know where KU would go right now. If the B1G goes to 16, KU could be in the catbird seat to join Nebraska as Proud (junior) members of the B1G.

They have a standing offer from the ACC according to Fescoe.

Saulbadguy 10-05-2011 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7969104)
Of course the SEC is good for Mizzou and Mizzou is a good addition to the SEC. Plus, it will allow me to talk about SEC football much more (yes, even more than now) around here. ;)

Mizzou fans, is this what you really what?

Good lord.

eazyb81 10-05-2011 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7969104)
Of course the SEC is good for Mizzou and Mizzou is a good addition to the SEC. Plus, it will allow me to talk about SEC football much more (yes, even more than now) around here. ;)

We may even need to start an Awesome SEC Only Thread to contain the awesomeness.

DaKCMan AP 10-05-2011 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7969107)
Mizzou fans, is this what you really what?

Good lord.

http://tucsoncitizen.com/mattminkuss...011/01/sec.jpg

DaKCMan AP 10-05-2011 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7969109)
We may even need to start an Awesome SEC Only Thread to contain the awesomeness.

That would be Awesome squared.

Crush 10-05-2011 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7969104)
Of course the SEC is good for Mizzou and Mizzou is a good addition to the SEC. Plus, it will allow me to talk about SEC football much more (yes, even more than now) around here. ;)

Indeed. Hopefully, Mizzou doesn't **** it up.

Frazod 10-05-2011 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7969104)
Of course the SEC is good for Mizzou and Mizzou is a good addition to the SEC. Plus, it will allow me to talk about SEC football much more (yes, even more than now) around here. ;)

Suddenly you would no longer be the only one who gives a shit.

Saul Good 10-05-2011 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7969103)
I realize your trip to Worlds of Fun might dictate otherwise, but if super conferences happen, KU and K-State will both have a seat at the table somewhere.

I'm confident that KU will. I'm not so sure about KSU, though. If I'm the KSU brass, priority 1 is getting academics to a level that could lead to AAU membership. Without that, B1G isn't an option.

If Texas, OU, OSU, and Tech go to the PAC, the B1G could take ND, KU, Rutgers, and (fourth school). The SEC could add WVU and FSU, UNC, UVA, or Va Tech.

At that point, if KSU isn't the last team in the B1G, they are ****ed. They aren't going to the ACC by themselves.

DaKCMan AP 10-05-2011 08:51 AM

Mizzou can dream of one day celebrating like this..

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...jpg?1265255612http://www.renegadebs.com/miscjunk/LSU-Football-SEC.jpg
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...jpg?1276189713http://nbccollegefootballtalk.files....-sec.jpg?w=250

Bambi 10-05-2011 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 7969000)
You're a tool.

I don't know who you are?

DaKCMan AP 10-05-2011 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7969123)
Suddenly you would no longer be the only one who gives a shit.

Yet still be the most Awesome.

Frazod 10-05-2011 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969127)
I don't know who you are?

He's a KU fan. He's also a moderator, so by all means, keep annoying him.

Frazod 10-05-2011 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7969130)
Yet still be the most Awesome.

I must admit, I do find you slightly less annoying than before. :)

ChiTown 10-05-2011 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969124)
I'm confident that KU will. I'm not so sure about KSU, though. If I'm the KSU brass, priority 1 is getting academics to a level that could lead to AAU membership. Without that, B1G isn't an option.

If Texas, OU, OSU, and Tech go to the PAC, the B1G could take ND, KU, Rutgers, and (fourth school). The SEC could add WVU and FSU, UNC, UVA, or Va Tech.

At that point, if KSU isn't the last team in the B1G, they are ****ed. They aren't going to the ACC by themselves.

KSU will be fine. Suffice it to say, they want the B12-2-1(-1?) to stay together for all the obvious reasons. If it doesn't, we'll have a landing in one of the Super Conferences, regardless of AAU status.

DaKCMan AP 10-05-2011 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7969124)
I'm confident that KU will. I'm not so sure about KSU, though. If I'm the KSU brass, priority 1 is getting academics to a level that could lead to AAU membership. Without that, B1G isn't an option.

If Texas, OU, OSU, and Tech go to the PAC, the B1G could take ND, KU, Rutgers, and (fourth school). The SEC could add WVU and FSU, UNC, UVA, or Va Tech.

At that point, if KSU isn't the last team in the B1G, they are ****ed. They aren't going to the ACC by themselves.

The SEC wouldn't add FSU. They would kill to have UNC but it's unlikely. Va Tech would be great too, but they may be tied to UVA.

Saulbadguy 10-05-2011 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 7969136)
KSU will be fine. Suffice it to say, they want the B12-2-1(-1?) to stay together for all the obvious reasons. If it doesn't, we'll have a landing in one of the Super Conferences, regardless of AAU status.

Worlds of Fun, bro. W-O-F.

Bambi 10-05-2011 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7969131)
He's a KU fan. He's also a moderator, so by all means, keep annoying him.

huh?

He called me a name. I just said I didn't know who he was?

I guess I could call him a name back but I don't know him.

no biggie

Saulbadguy 10-05-2011 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7969126)
Mizzou can dream of one day celebrating like this..

They haven't won a conference title in 40 years. I suppose "dream" is the operative word here.

Saulbadguy 10-05-2011 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969141)
huh?

He called me a name. I just said I didn't know who he was?

I guess I could call him a name back but I don't know him.

no biggie

Call him a **** ass.

DaKCMan AP 10-05-2011 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7969143)
They haven't won a conference title in 40 years. I suppose "dream" is the operative word here.

Again..

Mizzou can one day dream of celebrating like this..

WilliamTheIrish 10-05-2011 09:02 AM

Are we going to get more sestuna type posters here? I'm against the SEC move based on that chance alone.

Thanks for listening.

HemiEd 10-05-2011 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7969143)
They haven't won a conference title in 40 years. I suppose "dream" is the operative word here.

Don't sell them short, they are a powerhouse.

Didn't they win a conference title in softball recently? I think they also won a National baseball title in 1954 or something like that.

Don't be dissing them Tigers, they are too good for the Big 12. :D

Bambi 10-05-2011 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7969145)
Call him a **** ass.

I've got nothing against him.

Not sure what he has against me.

Just stating an opinion on a message board.

:)

eazyb81 10-05-2011 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 7969156)
Don't sell them short, they are a powerhouse.

Didn't they win a conference title in softball recently? I think they also won a National baseball title in 1954 or something like that.

Don't be dissing them Tigers, they are too good for the Big 12. :D

and to think, even with all of that basketball success, still no one wanted you! :D

Bambi 10-05-2011 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7969143)
They haven't won a conference title in 40 years. I suppose "dream" is the operative word here.

Don't rain on the parade yo.

Facts mean nothing at this point.

Bambi 10-05-2011 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7969159)
and to think, even with all of that basketball success, still no one wanted you! :D

Don't you realize why the SEC "wants" you?

TV sets and a beatable football program.

It is a very good fit for the SEC brass I have to say.

Dayze 10-05-2011 09:05 AM

so has MU ever won a Big 12 title?

if not, (honestly don't know), what's the difference between that and going to the SEC and having a small chance?

I don't think MU is going to be the bottom-feeder in the SEC that a lot of folks around town are claiming they will. SEC always has a top 2 elite team race, that seems to rotate between teams each year etc, whereas the Big 12 is always the same 2 (UT/OU). So aside from the rotating 2 teams in the SEC that I would say are elite/longshot to beat, MU has a good chance against the rest of the league / as much as the other SEC teams etc.

My $.02.
unrelated note, SEC cheerleaders are way hotter.

Reerun_KC 10-05-2011 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7969159)
and to think, even with all of that basketball success, still no one wanted you! :D

Texas wants us...

They like to give it to us real good...

eazyb81 10-05-2011 09:06 AM

http://www.greghallkc.com/?p=850#more-850

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“I don’t understand this ‘security’ thing. I keep hearing that word. I don’t know what that means. (Missouri) is doing the same thing Nebraska and A&M did. They’re stroking their own ego. They’re saying, ‘We’re better than you.’ ”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM

GH: No, this is the SEC saying Missouri is better than other options. If you exit a burning building, it just means you prefer not to die.

LMAO

ChiTown 10-05-2011 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 7969163)
unrelated note, SEC cheerleaders are way hotter.

/thread over

Frazod 10-05-2011 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 7969155)
Are we going to get more sestuna type posters here? I'm against the SEC move based on that chance alone.

Thanks for listening.

Well, if we shed some Kansas types in the process, it will be worth it. :D

Saulbadguy 10-05-2011 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 7969163)
so has MU ever won a Big 12 title?

if not, (honestly don't know), what's the difference between that and going to the SEC and having a small chance?

I don't think MU is going to be the bottom-feeder in the SEC that a lot of folks around town are claiming they will. SEC always has a top 2 elite team race, that seems to rotate between teams each year etc, whereas the Big 12 is always the same 2 (UT/OU). So aside from the rotating 2 teams in the SEC that I would say are elite/longshot to beat, MU has a good chance against the rest of the league / as much as the other SEC teams etc.

My $.02.
unrelated note, SEC cheerleaders are way hotter.

Yeah, I remember when Ole Miss hired Ed Orgeron and thought they were going to kick some major ass.

Frazod 10-05-2011 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7969141)
huh?

He called me a name. I just said I didn't know who he was?

I guess I could call him a name back but I don't know him.

no biggie

Just letting you know that your passive-aggressive idiocy continues to irritate members of all fan bases, including your own.

Carry on.

beer bacon 10-05-2011 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 7969078)
I'm not particularly worried about Kansas City. I think the basketball tournament will still be held there, because Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State fans will still travel well there.

Even if it's not, who gives a ****? They could move it to Dallas where no one will go to it, or leave it in Kansas City, regardless of what Mizzou does.

Another angle is that the Big 12 doesn't want to surrender the Missouri side of KC to Mizzou. There is still market there for KU, KSU, and the other Big 12 programs.

HemiEd 10-05-2011 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7969159)
and to think, even with all of that basketball success, still no one wanted you! :D

Do we know that yet? I haven't heard anything about the Kansas schools crying, have you? If so, I missed it.

Here is one totally off the wall, maybe WSU could add football back and become a "player?" :D

DaKCMan AP 10-05-2011 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 7969155)
Are we going to get more sestuna type posters here? I'm against the SEC move based on that chance alone.

Thanks for listening.

Even I find that dude annoying.

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 7969156)
Don't sell them short, they are a powerhouse.

Didn't they win a conference title in softball recently? I think they also won a National baseball title in 1954 or something like that.

Don't be dissing them Tigers, they are too good for the Big 12. :D

Hey! They're going to have to get better in all sports because the Gators have a kick-ass softball team and there are several awesome baseball teams in the SEC!

HemiEd 10-05-2011 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7969188)
Hey! They're going to have to get better in all sports because the Gators have a kick-ass softball team and there are several awesome baseball teams in the SEC!

Agreed, getting in is one thing, competing is another. But, for their sake, hopefully this will help their recruiting enough to compete. Softball is a year around sport down south, is it not?

eazyb81 10-05-2011 09:22 AM

Looks like Petro is getting fired.

Dayze 10-05-2011 09:22 AM

lol. Petro going against the company line.

DJ's left nut 10-05-2011 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7969199)
Looks like Petro is getting fired.

Huh?

Petro's knocking it out of the park right now, IMO.

Bambi 10-05-2011 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7969178)
Just letting you know that your passive-aggressive idiocy continues to irritate members of all fan bases, including your own.

Carry on.

Passive Agressive? Not at all.

Kansas is/was way too comfortable with the situation that is the Big 12.

That is their problem and they need to correct it.

The LHN is worth more than what KU is bringing in 3rd tier so its all out in the open now.

KU is to blame in losing MU as their rival just as much as it is blame MU for not standing by their conference allies of 100 years.

That's the point.

He wants to call me a tool over it then I don't give a ****. I'm here and willing to talk about how it can work out. For those not interested I couldn't care less.


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