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healthpellets 06-09-2010 02:28 PM

Since some schools are hoping to get in to the B10, here are some thoughts from a Notre Dame fan's perspective about reasons they wish to remain independent.

http://www.ndnation.com/blog/2009/12/no-means-no.html

Quote:

No Means No
posted by Mike Coffey
My mother is one of those social souls for whom exiting a party is three times the effort of entering. She'll say she's leaving, then run into someone on the way to the door. 10 minutes later, the process repeats. Eventually she finds her way out, but it usually involves half a tank of gas used up by my father, who had found his way to the car right after mom's initial pronouncement.

Having observed this phenomenon for over 40 years, I'm quick to recognize it when I see it elsewhere ... like in Notre Dame's repeated dalliances with the Big Ten conference (or, as I prefer to call them, the Integer). Having dodged this bullet in 1998, we now find ourselves looking down the barrel of the same gun, with the conference recently announcing a renewed effort to find a 12th member and participate in a championship game.

Like Michael Corleone, just when we think we're out, they pull us back in.

While we're sometimes accused of tilting at windmills on this topic, Irish athletic director Jack Swarbrick isn't helping matters. While professing loyalty to the independent state of Notre Dame's football program, his statements to the press are peppered with phrases like "we'd sure like to try to maintain [independence]", which is now thought of as a "strong preference" that must be balanced with "implications" in the "industry" of college football while "scenarios play out".

Sounds a lot like those non-denial denials that were so in vogue during our two-week football coaching search. And like Oklahoma fans three weeks ago, we're a little uneasy.

With the Chicago Tribune endlessly beating the drum of Integer assimilation, columnist-by-default David Haugh can't resist chiming in either. A decade of reading his work has taught me that, while he may be erudite on a number of subjects, to call him semi-educated on the topic of Notre Dame and what makes it tick would be overrating him by several orders of magnitude. So for David (since I know he just tingles to read my stuff) and anyone else who may be unclear on the concept, let's review the issues.

Many reasons exist for ND to remain a football independent, regardless of how the "industry" goes. But those reasons get thrown into sharp relief when applied to a conference like the Integer, and can be summed up in three words: Geography, Diversity, and Differentiation.

Geography. Notre Dame sits square in the middle of the Integer's geographic footprint, so at first glance, it might seem to be a good fit. But the value of Notre Dame's brand (because, let's face it, this is a money discussion more than anything) was built based on national appeal. There's a reason update and op-ed columns regarding Notre Dame's pursuit of Brian Kelly were written for or published in Tampa and New York City and Chicago and Boston and Los Angeles and Washington D.C. and Seattle and any number of other cities. You don't waste column inches on stories in which no one is interested.

But how long will that interest be maintained if the Fighting Irish end up playing 9 of their 12 games every year in a Midwest geographic footprint against other teams from that same footprint? Sure, a Notre Dame/Michigan game will pull in national interest for a while. But a steady diet of ND/Minnesota? ND/Iowa? ND/Northwestern? Why should people in Florida and California and New York and Washington care about those games? How soon before their disinterest shows and Notre Dame becomes yet another marginalized regional school, pushed further behind the eight-ball due to its small graduating classes relative to those geographic "peers"?

Diversity. The Integer comprises ten large state universities and one private [edit] secular university. Outside of a desire for scholarship at the 20,000-foot level, Notre Dame has little, if anything, in common with any of them. Notre Dame graduates about two to three thousand people per year, while the Integer factory in total cranks out numbers in six figures. Notre Dame's graduation rate for undergrads typically operates north of 95 percent, and its rates for student athletes leads the nation. The rates for most of the Integer schools, by comparison, are downright embarrassing.

When you join a conference, the needs of the many supplant the needs of the few. Decisions get made by the majority, and with the masses of humanity on land-grant campuses who (based on the numbers) really don't give a rip about the academic side of things when it comes to their athletes, Notre Dame will be subjected to a steady diet of being on the wrong end of 10-2 and 11-1 decisions. Michigan and Ohio State have owned the Integer lock, stock and barrel for long and long. That ain't gonna change any time soon. The idea of voluntarily subjecting ourselves to their whims for 30 pieces of silver makes my brain hurt.

Differentiation. When a recruit comes to Notre Dame's campus, aside from being presented with the scholastic and spiritual ways in which Notre Dame is different from their competitors, they also see the opportunity to play a national schedule. Why limit yourself to games against your neighbors, the coaches can say, when you can play Southern Cal and Navy and Tennessee and Florida State and Pittsburgh and Oklahoma and Boston College and Arizona State, all of whom have appeared recently or will appear on future Notre Dame schedules? Why play just about all your games in flatland stadiums a bus ride away when you can play in Los Angeles, New York City, Washington D.C., Dallas, and Ireland? Granted, the 7-4-1 abomination is hurting Notre Dame in this area in the short term, but that's a self-inflicted wound that could be healed up should the program desire.

Think about how that discussion changes if Notre Dame joins the Integer. How would we differentiate ourselves from the Michigans and Ohio States of the world? We'd all be located in the same area of the country. We'd all play the same schedules. Why should they come to Notre Dame and have to apply themselves when they can just skate by as a Buckeye or Wolverine? Integer membership makes it all the more difficult to set ourselves apart from a rather low caliber of company, and this holds true not only for football but perhaps even more so for Notre Dame's other sports.

Those who favor conference membership have their mantras, of course. Haugh points out that "an independent Notre Dame team with two losses by midseason -- the rule more than the exception lately -- struggles to find motivation. A Big Ten team with two losses by midseason after expansion would have a shot to win its division and play in the lucrative conference title game."

What he fails to note is a two-loss Notre Dame team doesn't deserve to play in a "lucrative conference title game" or any other high-profile contest. They should earn their way into those games like they always have in the past. The solution is to improve the product on the field so standards are met, not dumb down expectations to the point that a "conference title game appearance" is viewed as something to applaud.

National Championships are remembered forever by the people who saw them. Conference titles are recorded on banners that everyone sees but no one looks at. The BCS gives mediocrities access to the championship structure by virtue of their membership in a particular group of teams. And yet those mediocrities scream about how Notre Dame gets "special treatment", even though you'll never see a 9-3 ND team even sniffing a BCS bid like Purdue and Stanford have in the past. Even Alanis Morisette would find that ironic.

Notre Dame is a national brand because of the efforts of those who came before -- Rockne, Leahy, Hesburgh, Joyce, Parseghian, Holtz. Joining the Integer will effectively undo those efforts more effectively than just about any choice I can fathom. Becoming a small regional school with a small regional following may be attractive to those who want the money but don't want to make the effort, but to those alumni and fans who believe those heights can be reached, it smacks of being lazy and cheap, neither of which are words I want associated with my school.

Let's also not forget these people hate us. There's no love lost between Notre Dame and any Integer school at any level, from the alumni and fans on up. The Integer and its members benefit from Notre Dame's involvement much more than the other way around, and all they're interested in is our money and the reflected attention they can get from us. If Joanna Barnes could make herself look like a crappy football stadium, it'd be a natural.

So Jack, the next time a reporter or alumnus or anyone else asks you what Notre Dame's interest in Integer membership is, there's no reason to be complicated or to hedge. Keep it simple.

"None".

The car is running, and gas is expensive these days.

For those of you who might feel the need to print this out and mail it to our friend Jack, his address is:

Jack Swarbrick
Director of Athletics
University of Notre Dame
C113 Joyce Center
Notre Dame, IN 46556

Remember, every little bit helps, and snail mail always gets more attention. Forward it to your friends and encourage them to do the same.

Tiger's Fan 06-09-2010 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6809852)
FYP

1>0

Titty Meat 06-09-2010 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 6809847)
The hype before the Nebraska-Texas game in Lincoln is going to be wild.

I hope Nebraska beats the **** out of them to add insult to injury.

luv 06-09-2010 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrolike (Post 6809840)
KU fans don't claim to be superior to MU fans. We claim our school is superior. Maybe one day, the whole lot of you will get it. It's not arrogance to expect to win when that's all your team has been doing throughout the history of the sport. It's not arrogance to bring up the trophies. That's Bearcat's point. The only people who claim KU fans feel superior to MU fans are MU fans.

:facepalm:

If I'm the only one that caught what was originally said, then never mind.

Mr. Laz 06-09-2010 02:30 PM

if Notre Dame doesn't join a conference they will continue to die a slow death in football imo

DeezNutz 06-09-2010 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrolike (Post 6809840)
KU fans don't claim to be superior to MU fans. We claim our school is superior. Maybe one day, the whole lot of you will get it. It's not arrogance to expect to win when that's all your team has been doing throughout the history of the sport. It's not arrogance to bring up the trophies. That's Bearcat's point. The only people who claim KU fans feel superior to MU fans are MU fans.

By "school" I can only assume you mean "basketball program."

Frazod 06-09-2010 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by healthpellets (Post 6809868)
Since some schools are hoping to get in to the B10, here are some thoughts from a Notre Dame fan's perspective about reasons they wish to remain independent.

http://www.ndnation.com/blog/2009/12/no-means-no.html

Nice. Let's hope they all think that way.

Bambi 06-09-2010 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6809867)
Don't like only half the teams play football?

Syracuse, Pitt, Cincy, Uconn, South Florida, Rutgers, West Viginia, Louisville

a good level for Kansas or Missouri football

Titty Meat 06-09-2010 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6809877)
if Notre Dame doesn't join a conference they will continue to die a slow death in football imo

Thats what I was saying. If they are going to have mega confrences theres no way Notre Dame can survive.

Titty Meat 06-09-2010 02:34 PM

So is MU still in the running for the Big Ten or have they just been used?

Reaper16 06-09-2010 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6809894)
So is MU still in the running for the Big Ten or have they just been used?

Like any of us could answer that right now.

Mr. Laz 06-09-2010 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6809894)
So is MU still in the running for the Big Ten or have they just been used?

nobody knows jack ... we are all just scrambling

Bambi 06-09-2010 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6809894)
So is MU still in the running for the Big Ten or have they just been used?

Seems like they could be an option years down the line but they won't wait around.

Missouri to the Big East?

or maybe...


























http://collegefabricstore.com/images...abric-logo.gif

Frazod 06-09-2010 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6809894)
So is MU still in the running for the Big Ten or have they just been used?

It's the next morning, we're waiting for the phone to ring. :(

Titty Meat 06-09-2010 02:38 PM

KK is making it seem like Mizzou got played.

ArrowheadHawk 06-09-2010 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6809908)
Seems like they could be an option years down the line but they won't wait around.

Missouri to the Big East?

or maybe...


























http://collegefabricstore.com/images...abric-logo.gif

Ok that made me laugh.ROFL

Mr. Laz 06-09-2010 02:38 PM

i said this weeks ago ........... KU's president better be talking to the Big East/ACC etc behind the scenes. He also better be looking for a way to wedge KU/KSU apart with the Kansas Board Of Regents

Titty Meat 06-09-2010 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6809911)
It's the next morning, we're waiting for the phone to ring. :(

All the smack talk could be for nothing :(

Mr. Laz 06-09-2010 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6809911)
It's the next morning, we're waiting for the phone to ring. :(

The walk of shame sucks

Reaper16 06-09-2010 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6809913)
KK is making it seem like Mizzou got played.

KK doesn't know shit. And neither do any of us.

luv 06-09-2010 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6809919)
The walk of shame sucks

And here we go......

ArrowheadHawk 06-09-2010 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6809923)
And here we go......

http://www.ncbusinesslitigationrepor...ic%20light.jpg

Mr. Laz 06-09-2010 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6809923)
And here we go......

i was responding to Frazod's "morning after, sex reference"

nothing else

WildTurkey 06-09-2010 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6809918)
All the smack talk could be for nothing :(

but but but Mizzou is a football powerhouse, how could anyone not want them :Poke:

Bambi 06-09-2010 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6809922)
KK doesn't know shit. And neither do any of us.

I heard Hawaii is being offered by the ACC.

Titty Meat 06-09-2010 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6809922)
KK doesn't know shit. And neither do any of us.

I've just read alot about Nebraska and theres been activity the board of regence already voted to go. I haven't heard anything on the MU thats why I was wondering.

kepp 06-09-2010 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6809874)
:facepalm:

If I'm the only one that caught what was originally said, then never mind.

You're not the only one. I just realize it's futile to argue that subject with ku fans. Kind of like arguing the whole basketball vs. football revenue subject with wicketson.

kepp 06-09-2010 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6809892)
Syracuse, Pitt, Cincy, Uconn, South Florida, Rutgers, West Viginia, Louisville

a good level for Kansas or Missouri football

Pitt, Cincy, West Virginia & probably South Florida would kill ku.

Frazod 06-09-2010 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6809919)
The walk of shame sucks

As I said earlier, in the end, I think we'll go. They'll want all those TVs in St. Louis and Kansas City.

We just got our negotiating position shot all to ****ing hell, though. Our deal and revenue sharing will suck, but it probably won't suck as bad as it does now.

IMO, us going to the Big 10 now is like going from Sprint to AT&T. Which is sort of like going from Hitler to Stalin.

But the big boys in new league aren't nearly as scary as the big boys in the old league. And personally, I'll be able to watch more games, both on TV and in person.

ArrowheadHawk 06-09-2010 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6809944)
Pitt, Cincy, West Virginia & probably South Florida would kill ku.

They aint no Nebraska, Oklahoma or Texas. And KU barely lost to USF a couple years ago. Ask Zach I think he watched that game in a bar with his MU buddies.

Mr. Laz 06-09-2010 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6809934)
You're not the only one. I just realize it's futile to argue that subject with ku fans. Kind of like arguing the whole basketball vs. football revenue subject with wicketson.

and kinda like arguing for personal hygiene with an MU fan ... it's just not gonna take.

Bambi 06-09-2010 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6809944)
Pitt, Cincy, West Virginia & probably South Florida would kill missouri.

fyp

Bambi 06-09-2010 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6809947)
As I said earlier, in the end, I think we'll go. They'll want all those TVs in St. Louis and Kansas City.

We just got our negotiating position shot all to ****ing hell, though. Our deal and revenue sharing will suck, but it probably won't suck as bad as it does now.

IMO, us going to the Big 10 now is like going from Sprint to AT&T. Which is sort of like going from Hitler to Stalin.

But the big boys in new league aren't nearly as scary as the big boys in the old league. And personally, I'll be able to watch more games, both on TV and in person.

Yeah but what do you do? Sit out 2-3 years waiting for an invite that might never come?

Or do you try and move one something asap like Kansas will do?

Mr. Laz 06-09-2010 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6809947)
As I said earlier, in the end, I think we'll go. They'll want all those TVs in St. Louis and Kansas City.

We just got our negotiating position shot all to ****ing hell, though. Our deal and revenue sharing will suck, but it probably won't suck as bad as it does now.

IMO, us going to the Big 10 now is like going from Sprint to AT&T. Which is sort of like going from Hitler to Stalin.

But the big boys in new league aren't nearly as scary as the big boys in the old league. And personally, I'll be able to watch more games, both on TV and in person.

tbh i don't really have time to worry about what happens to mizzou, i'm too busy trying to figure out how KU doesn't get ****ed in the situation. :(

good luck

mikeyis4dcats. 06-09-2010 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6809932)
I've just read alot about Nebraska and theres been activity the board of regence already voted to go. I haven't heard anything on the MU thats why I was wondering.

The Nebbraska BOR doesn't even meet until Friday, so they haven't officially voted on anything.

chiefsnorth 06-09-2010 02:49 PM

Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning News reports that Fox Sports Ohio is reporting that Nebraksa is gone.
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WildTurkey 06-09-2010 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6809958)
fyp

but Mizzou was conference runner up a few times.... Powerhouse I tell you, no way they lose to any of those teams ;)

Titty Meat 06-09-2010 02:49 PM

The Big East would be cool they all run that fruity spread offense

Frazod 06-09-2010 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6809953)
and kinda like arguing for personal hygiene with an MU fan ... it's just not gonna take.

Careful now, Zach will be along shortly to ask why you're being so nasty. :D

Titty Meat 06-09-2010 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 6809964)
The Nebbraska BOR doesn't even meet until Friday, so they haven't officially voted on anything.

Maybe not official but they did have a teleconfrence today.

Mr. Laz 06-09-2010 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6809969)
Careful now, Zach will be along shortly to ask why you're being so nasty. :D

i won't see it so you'll just have to keep me updated :D

ArrowheadHawk 06-09-2010 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6809969)
Careful now, Zach will be along shortly to ask why you're being so nasty. :D

Are you two still having a spat? ;)

DJ's left nut 06-09-2010 02:51 PM

Keitzman pretty much just reads off Tigerboard.

DeArmond doesn't even have a consistent position anymore.

Nobody knows a damn thing.

I'm bowing out of this conversation until someone with actual substance speaks.

Frazod 06-09-2010 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6809961)
Yeah but what do you do? Sit out 2-3 years waiting for an invite that might never come?

Or do you try and move one something asap like Kansas will do?

Just because the press is swarming elsewhere at the moment doesn't mean Alden isn't doing anything. At least he's not crying PLEASE DON'T GO! to anybody wearing a red hat.

Mr. Laz 06-09-2010 02:52 PM

i wonder how Mizzou fans are going to feel about how Nebraska bent them over now

Frazod 06-09-2010 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6809981)
i wonder how Mizzou fans are going to feel about how Nebraska bent them over now

Not good. :mad:

Pants 06-09-2010 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6809981)
i wonder how Mizzou fans are going to feel about how Nebraska bent them over now

The same way we all feel, I'd imagine.

I honestly can't blame them. I mean, put yourself in their shoes.

teedubya 06-09-2010 02:54 PM

Jesus. This whole thing has added 4 more gray hairs to my goatee. lol

ArrowheadHawk 06-09-2010 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6809985)
Not good. :mad:

Nebraska will be their new "Texas"

Titty Meat 06-09-2010 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6809985)
Not good. :mad:

:hugs:

Frazod 06-09-2010 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6809989)
Nebraska will be their new "Texas"

Nah. We can beat Nebraska.

jAZ 06-09-2010 02:55 PM

Since the Big 12 has the better brand, I'm guessing they invite any lesser teams (CUSA) their way. Rather than the other way around.

Pants 06-09-2010 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 6809988)
Jesus. This whole thing has added 4 more gray hairs to my goatee. lol

Yeah, dude. I was pretty stressed out yesterday, but then I figured it's all so out of my control, why worry? Just adapt and survive no matter what happens. I'm a Jayhawk for life, no matter what happens to us.

Mr. Laz 06-09-2010 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6809991)
Nah. We can beat Nebraska.

shit ... Nebraska is not what they once were

until last year they kinda sucked

i hope the Big 10 makes them their bitch

chiefsnorth 06-09-2010 02:56 PM

Sporting News now reporting the Nebraska regents have approved the move informally, formal vote Friday.
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kepp 06-09-2010 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6809967)
but Mizzou was conference runner up a few times.... Powerhouse I tell you, no way they lose to any of those teams ;)

You're kind of like Borat with the "NOT!" joke. It's just not working.

Titty Meat 06-09-2010 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrolike (Post 6809995)
Yeah, dude. I was pretty stressed out yesterday, but then I figured it's all so out of my control, why worry? Just adapt and survive no matter what happens. I'm a Jayhawk for life, no matter what happens to us.

This might be a stupid question but why stress? KU has ran through the confrence in basketball the last five years or so. Even if they did go to a lesser confrence they'll still get good players and be a basketball powerhouse. The only thing it hurts is the football team but I thought nobody cared much about KU football?

kepp 06-09-2010 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6809953)
and kinda like arguing for personal hygiene with an MU fan ... it's just not gonna take.

Hey, my condition is genetic.

ArrowheadHawk 06-09-2010 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrolike (Post 6809995)
Yeah, dude. I was pretty stressed out yesterday, but then I figured it's all so out of my control, why worry? Just adapt and survive no matter what happens. I'm a Jayhawk for life, no matter what happens to us.

http://steynian.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/truth.jpg

WildTurkey 06-09-2010 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6810000)
You're kind of like Borat with the "NOT!" joke. It's just not working.

I'm enjoying it.... so it's not a total fail

teedubya 06-09-2010 02:59 PM

Can we change the THREAD title, please?

Big 10 Report: Nebraska to leave Big 12 for Big 10

kepp 06-09-2010 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6810008)
I'm enjoying it.... so it's not a total fail

Exactly like Borat :p

Mr. Laz 06-09-2010 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6810002)
This might be a stupid question but why stress? KU has ran through the confrence in basketball the last five years or so. Even if they did go to a lesser confrence they'll still get good players and be a basketball powerhouse. The only thing it hurts is the football team but I thought nobody cared much about KU football?

that's just stupid ... you really can't be THAT dense, can you?


"only thing it hurts is the football .." means that a school will have to cut the budget in EVERY sport.

"lesser conference ..." means less t.v. exposure and recruiting slowly erodes until the team has trouble competition and the whole thing starts falling apart.

kepp 06-09-2010 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 6810010)
Can we change the THREAD title, please?

Big 10 Report: Nebraska to leave Big 12 for Big 10

Or "Big 10 Report: WTF?"

Frazod 06-09-2010 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6809997)
shit ... Nebraska is not what they once were

until last year they kinda sucked

i hope the Big 10 makes them their bitch

It's not like they were worldbeaters last year, either. And the biggest piece of their defensive success will be suiting up for the Lions next fall.

However, I think Nebraska will be a force in the Big 10 - they don't have anybody on the level of Texas or Oklahoma.

ArrowheadHawk 06-09-2010 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6810002)
This might be a stupid question but why stress? KU has ran through the confrence in basketball the last five years or so. Even if they did go to a lesser confrence they'll still get good players and be a basketball powerhouse. The only thing it hurts is the football team but I thought nobody cared much about KU football?

Hey now.
I have season football tickets. We don't show like NU but their are plenty of KU football fans.

Mr. Laz 06-09-2010 03:02 PM

If KU doesn't end up in a BCS level conference then the President and Athletic director at KU should be fired. Immediately.

Titty Meat 06-09-2010 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6810015)
that's just stupid ... you really can't be THAT dense, can you?


"only thing it hurts is the football .." means that a school will have to cut the budget in EVERY sport.

"lesser conference ..." means less t.v. exposure and recruiting slowly erodes until the team has trouble competition and the whole thing starts falling apart.

Yea Memphis has had alot of trouble getting good recruits :rolleyes:

teedubya 06-09-2010 03:02 PM

Chip Brown
Orangebloods.com Columnist

Talk about it in Inside the 40 Acres
A source close to the Nebraska Board of Regents told Orangebloods.com the regents met informally Wednesday and have agreed to move to the Big Ten and that a formal announcement Nebraska is leaving will come Friday.

Sources close to Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech have suggested to Orangebloods.com over the last week that if Nebraska leaves, the Big 12 can't be saved.

A Fox television report out of Ohio said Nebraska now has an invitation from the Big Ten.

One of the reasons given for Nebraska's importance to the league is because the relationship between Missouri and the rest of the Big 12 has soured beyond repair.

And to complicate matters for Missouri, the Tigers appear to be falling down the list of priorities for the Big Ten.

An athletic director with knowledge of the Big Ten said, "Missouri is getting cold shoulder from Big Ten."


Joe Schad of ESPN reported Wednesday that the Big Ten list of interest for expansion goes like this: 1) Notre Dame 2) Nebraska 3) Rutgers and/or Maryland.


Associated Press

Dan Beebe and the Big 12 appear to be at the mercy of Nebraska and other outside forces.
According to a story by Lee Barfknecht of the Omaha World-Herald, a respected reporter covering the Big 12 for years, Nebraska is expected to leave for the Big Ten as early as Friday, according to information provided to Barfknecht by an executive at another Big 12 school.

That is the day Nebraska's regents have a formal meeting in Lincoln.

Nebraska athletic director Tom Osborne on his monthly radio show on the Husker Sports Network said he hoped "to get things together in the next few days."

But Osborne acknowledged, "There's a lot of information we really don't have right now."

Here's his entire quote:

"I suppose there is quite a bit I can speculate on, but as you and I talked before the show came on there's a lot of information we really don't have right now," Osborne said.

"Hopefully we'll get things put together in the next few days. Anything I would say regarding Nebraska's position or other schools in the Big 12 right now would be pure speculation at this point and I don't think that's very helpful. As much as I know fans don't like it, I think we need to put certain things off limits.

"I think before too long, I don't know exactly what that time frame is, but we'll be able to put this thing to bed because I'm getting tired of it."


BIG 12's FINAL SUPPER ON JUNE 14?

Two different executives in the Big 12 confirmed to Orangebloods.com Wednesday morning the hard deadline for Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado and the entire Big 12 to pledge their allegiance to each other is Monday, June 14.

A high-level executive at a Big 12 institution said there have been informal conversations about who to add to the Big 12 if schools start to leave. Those schools have included BYU and Air Force.

But that same executive as well as others in the Big 12 South have told Orangebloods.com the conference will not survive if Nebraska leaves - no matter who else stays or goes.

If Nebraska were to stay in the Big 12 and Missouri and Colorado were to leave, for example, the sense is the Big 12 could attempt to add schools like BYU and Air Force to the Big 12 North and move ahead.


TEXAS AND TEXAS A&M MEET THURSDAY

In a related development, a legislative source with knowledge of Texas A&M said officials from A&M and Texas will meet on Thursday to discuss all the goings on and to make sure they are on the same page if the Big 12 falls apart. The source said, however, that Texas and Texas A&M remain steadfast in lobbying for the Big 12 to stay together.


NOTRE DAME'S CALL

The future of the Big 12 appeared to hinge on the Big Ten's deliberations with Notre Dame. The Big Ten has promised Notre Dame it will stop its expansion at 12 schools if Notre Dame agrees to finally forgo its independence and become part of a conference, an athletic director with knowledge of the Big Ten has told Orangebloods.com.

Notre Dame is apparently locked in a battle among its Board of Trustees about what to do. There are some who fear the Irish being left out of the formation of what could well become four, super conferences in college athletics. That could cost Notre Dame its access to a BCS bid.

The Big Ten has also given indications it will go east and possibly raid anywhere from one to three schools from the Big East, where Notre Dame plays its other sports, leaving the Irish scrambling even more.

In the ultimate irony, the only way Notre Dame may be able to avoid the super conference scenario is by doing what it least wants to do: give up its independence and lucrative NBC/Comcast contract and join a conference.

Sources have told Orangebloods.com the Big Ten would not be handing out any more invitations if Notre Dame agrees to join the league. An AD source reaffirmed to Orangebloods.com Wednesday that "there is a timeline involved" between Notre Dame and the Big Ten.

Joe Schad of ESPN reported this week Notre Dame doesn't appear to be budging.

The longer there is silence about Notre Dame's intentions, the more reason to believe Notre Dame could remain on its own.


COLORADO'S BAD TIMING

In another development, one source inside the Big 12 told Orangebloods.com Tuesday Colorado was expected to have a major announcement as early as Wednesday. But that announcement turned out to be with regard to scholarship reductions for the Colorado football and basketball programs because of substandard NCAA APR (Academic Progress Rates).

CU is the only BCS football program to be sanctioned with scholarship reductions and is one of only two BCS basketball programs to get sanctioned, OB has learned.

The Buffaloes have already served the four scholarships it was docked for football and the one it was docked for basketball.

The timing is poor considering the school's possible courtship with some of the more high-minded academic institutions in the Pac-10.

The Boulder Daily Camera reported a regents meeting at CU Tuesday night produced nothing more than legal advice about different scenarios. CU officials said they have not yet received an invitation from the Pac-10, according to the report.

Despite that claim, speculation continues to swirl that Colorado could be preparing to accept a bid from the Pac-10 Conference, which has targeted the Buffaloes for expansion.

As Orangebloods.com first reported last Thursday, Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott's preference is to expand the Pac-10 by six schools. That original list included Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado.


BAYLOR'S FIGHT FACING RESISTANCE?

Since that report legislators and lobbyists with loyalty to Baylor have launched an all-out effort in the Texas Legislature to ensure that Baylor remains with the rest of the Big 12 South if it were to move to the Pac-10.

One top source close to the possible merger between the Pac-10 and six Big 12 schools said some schools in the Pac-10, including California-Berkeley, have a real issue with adding an institution with religious ties like Baylor to the conference.


GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION?

It has been expressed to Orangebloods.com by a top collegiate executive that any movement toward four, 16-team super conferences will be met with resistance by Congress.

The executive said that could be bad news for college athletics because Congress has already taken some cursory looks at the fact athletic departments enjoy a tax-exempt status as part of their universities.

The executive said if it appears the rich are getting richer in college athletics, there will be a hard look at whether to take away the tax exempt status of athletic departments.

"And it won't just be Orin Hatch (a member of the U.S. Senate Finance Committee from Utah and longtime BCS critic) looking into this," the source said.
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Bugeater 06-09-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6809871)
I hope Nebraska beats the **** out of them to add insult to injury.

Pffft...if this goes through, don't expect Nebraska to get a single call in their favor all season long.


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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6809877)
if Notre Dame doesn't join a conference they will continue to die a slow death in football imo

And the problem with that is....?


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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6810016)
Or "Big 10 Report: WTF?"

Yeah, that about sums this whole cluster**** up.

ArrowheadHawk 06-09-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6810016)
Or "Big 10 Report: WTF?"

How bout "Conference Realignment Repository"?

Bambi 06-09-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6810002)
This might be a stupid question but why stress? KU has ran through the confrence in basketball the last five years or so. Even if they did go to a lesser confrence they'll still get good players and be a basketball powerhouse. The only thing it hurts is the football team but I thought nobody cared much about KU football?

Nebraska sure did when they scored 76 points on them

Titty Meat 06-09-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6810019)
Hey now.
I have season football tickets. We don't show like NU but their are plenty of KU football fans.

And does KU have much of a chance to be dominate in the current confrence? Whats to say they go to the Mountain West and be like Utah? it's a possibility.

Bambi 06-09-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6810021)
If KU doesn't end up in a BCS level conference then the President and Athletic director at KU should be fired. Immediately.

They will, don't worry.

Keitzman is saying ACC.

He may be wishful thinking but "sometimes" he's right.

Bambi 06-09-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6810031)
They will, don't worry.

Keitzman is saying ACC.

He may be wishful thinking but "sometimes" he's right.

BTW- I would LOVE to play in the ACC...

Titty Meat 06-09-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6810018)
It's not like they were worldbeaters last year, either. And the biggest piece of their defensive success will be suiting up for the Lions next fall.

However, I think Nebraska will be a force in the Big 10 - they don't have anybody on the level of Texas or Oklahoma.

They are beginging to be built like Ohio State. I'd say they'd have a great chance in the Big Ten.

baitism 06-09-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsnorth (Post 6809999)
Sporting News now reporting the Nebraska regents have approved the move informally, formal vote Friday.
Posted via Mobile Device

Orangebloods.com is their source....

Bugeater 06-09-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6810028)
Nebraska sure did when they scored 76 points on them

How many goddamned times are you going to bring that up in this thread? Do I need to go look up how many times NU hung 70+ on your sorry asses?

Titty Meat 06-09-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6810036)
How many goddamned times are you going to bring that up in this thread? Do I need to go look up how many times NU hung 70+ on your sorry asses?

That wasn't even the biggest margain of deafeat between the teams either.

WildTurkey 06-09-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6810032)
BTW- I would LOVE to play in the ACC...

Kansas, UNC, and Duke in the same conference, JIMP


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