LMAOLMAOLMAO

I think I just pissed my pants!

Obviously no one outside of Hunt, Thum, and Pioli know what the heck is going on. Everyone else is just blowing smoke right now. Now all the speculation is hinging around Herm Edwards being the holdup. Who knows.

What I do know is that it makes no sense for Hunt to keep Edwards around now, because no valid GM candidate is going to want to keep someone else's coach, and you'd have to give Herm an extension, because it makes no sense to have a coach go into a lame duck year...

How often do the cut loose the GM and HC
unless they're the same person

Ian was Pirate, when Pirate wasn't cool...

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Looks like an updated version of the Globe's story yesterday with a few more notes here and there.


Chiefs' main man?
Pioli to KC looks more like a realistic possibility


By Mike Reiss
Globe Staff / January 12, 2009
In the final home game of the Kansas City Chiefs' 2008 season, an announced crowd of 73,689 showed up at frigid Arrowhead Stadium despite the team's 2-12 record at the time. Some came with hand-written signs with a message for owner Clark Hunt: "We want Pioli."


What might have seemed like a long shot at the time - Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli running the Chiefs' football operation - is now looking more like a realistic possibility.

Once thought to be the Chiefs' leading candidate, now there is no doubt: Pioli is their man, according to an NFL source.

Perhaps more important, Pioli's interest in the Chiefs and a potential new career challenge has grown.

All that stands in the way is hashing out a contract agreement, or perhaps a late pitch from the Patriots (who lost offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels to the Broncos yesterday as head coach), or a last-minute change of heart from Pioli.

All scenarios remained in play as of early last night, but as reported in yesterday's Globe, the intensity of talks between Pioli and the Chiefs has increased within the last 24-48 hours. Word out of Kansas City continues to be that the possibility of the sides coming together is picking up momentum.

The key has been the comfort level between Pioli, Hunt, and team president Denny Thum.

Because Hunt already has determined that his new hire will work closely with Thum, a longtime Chiefs employee who will handle mostly business matters, it is imperative that there be good chemistry between the two.

So as the 43-year-old Hunt prepares to make his first major hire since taking over the club from his late father, the venerable Lamar Hunt, he is in many ways a matchmaker. He must determine if the person he hires to run the Chiefs' football operation is a good fit with Thum.

Albeit in a short timeframe, Pioli and Thum have hit it off, according to the NFL source.

This might come as a surprise to some who have painted the 43-year-old Pioli as a candidate who would be seeking total control of all decisions, or someone who was interviewing for jobs in Cleveland and Kansas City but had little intention of leaving New England because he apparently was making such hefty demands.

Although Pioli can drive a hard bargain, and that setting of high expectations is part of what has earned him two Sporting News Executive of the Year awards, those suggestions seem to be well off the mark.

Browns owner Randy Lerner also cleared up one other misconception regarding Pioli - that he wasn't hired for the Cleveland job because he was looking for a mega financial offer.

"We talked for hours about football organizations," Lerner told the Akron Beacon-Journal. "Money never came into the conversation with Scott."

Asked if Pioli made exorbitant demands, Lerner told the newspaper "that's completely and utterly untrue."

With all this in mind, Pioli and the Chiefs look like a near-perfect pair.

Part of what makes the Chiefs job appealing is strong ownership. The Hunt family long has been loyal to its front-office employees, which is reflected in that former general manager and president Carl Peterson held that position for 20 years. Another aspect is that the new hire has a chance to grow alongside Hunt, who himself is learning about running the franchise.

From a personnel perspective, the Chiefs are expected to be approximately $30 million under the salary cap, a great spot to be in. They are in the midst of a significant rebuilding process and coming off a 2-14 season, so expectations are low, yet they still have some promising young players and own the No. 3 overall selection in the draft.

While questions remain at the most important position on the field - is quarterback Tyler Thigpen accurate enough to be the long-term answer? - the Chiefs are in position for a quick turnaround simply because they play in one of the NFL's worst divisions, the AFC West. So if Pioli is interested in finally stepping out on his own, it doesn't figure to get much better than this.

Time is now of the essence.

While Hunt has conducted a thorough, under-the-radar search, he now should be feeling some urgency to finalize plans because the new hire ultimately will determine the fate of coach Herm Edwards and his staff, many of whom were still in their offices this past Friday for year-end personnel evaluation meetings.

It's a tough spot for a lot of good football men, and Hunt would be doing the Hunt-like, classy thing by finalizing their status before the majority of jobs around the league are filled.

In turn, if Edwards and his assistants are fired by the new general manager, the Chiefs could move quickly to interview some of the top head coaching candidates who have yet to be plucked by other clubs.

Mike Reiss can be reached at mreiss@globe.com.

© Copyright 2009 Globe Newspaper Company.
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http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...man/?page=full

You did not just "go-go" there.

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I hate to be a Debbie Downer but if this is the best guy for the job and the guy we all want isn't it just our luck that something will happen to screw this up? I hope i'm wrong.

Looks like at this stage in the descision, Mike Reiss of the Globe has the best info out there and when the news breaks if he stays or comes to KC, Reiss will probably break the story if it comes from the NE/Pioli side.

Anyone else think that Scott Pioli is actually the guy who gets his face melted off in Raiders of the Lost Ark?

http://www.scifi-universe.com/upload...rnold_thot.jpg http://www.studyofsports.com/wp-cont...9/01/pioli.jpg

[quote=booger;5382188]Looks like an updated version of the Globe's story yesterday with a few more notes here and there.


Though I never brought it up, I always found this part of the equation the LEAST troubling of all. Thum has a GREAT reputation in this league, and I found the idea of Pioli and Thum working side by side to be about as picture-perfect as a situation could get.

I do believe we are almost there.

Rep most definately ADDED!

Sir, for you to put Ian Atsbury in the same digital space as George Micheal insists that I must bitch slap you with something truly horrid.

And here it is:

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Something funnier here instead lol.

Well, he's trying.

Seattle offered him 5yrs 15 mill without even interviewing him. The Giants (where he's from) couldn't entice him to interview either.

Atleast he is giving KC a long thought and it looks like he is seriously considering it.

Things he has to ponder:

Living in KC comparred to NE. We know his wife has family in Wichita but would he, his wife, and little girl enjoy it in the midwest? Only they know that.

Is he looking for Kraft, BB, and the Pats to almost beg him to stay? Maybe he is looking for a contract that leaves him in total control of football opps when BB leaves. Who knows.

The way i see it, if he isn't ready or contract talks havn't hit the home stretch, Hunt should be continue his search and keep in touch but not expect to land him.

Jimmy Raye Jr. of the chargers is able to interview now.

The ravens gave permission for George Kokinis to interview for CLE's GM job and Rex Ryan for the jets i think, but only for yesterday(sunday) since they are still in the playoffs. I really hope Clark was in Baltimore today talking with Eric DeCosta.

The Steelers: I think Director of Football Ops Kevin Colbert would be hard to persuade. He is a lifelong steeler fan and from Pittsburgh. Ron Hughes the college scouting director is about the same age or older than Carl(63 or 64). The pro personell director, Doug Whaley would be good to talk to though. That org is excellent in terms of everyone on the same page knowing who they want to target in the draft and FA. Owned by the Rooney boys one of which was top man in their scouting department and drafted 4 hall of famers in one draft back in the 60's or 70's. Swann Alsworth and 2 others i can't think of which ones they were if it was maybe Bradshaw and Lambert or Hamm.

Polian of the Colts: I just can't see him leaving when the owner wants him to take over for his dad down the road.

Dominik of TB seems to have been told he is no longer in the running according to some report out there. Who knows if that is true or not.

Another guy i like is John Schneider of the Packers. He spent 3 years in KC and left when Marty took the redskins job to be his main Personell man. I'm sure Marty mentioned him as well as Raye when he and Clark met. Since then Schneider went to join Ted Thompson in Seattle and followed him to GB where he is asst GM basically but with some other title.

I think we need an answer from Pioli ASAP. If were looking twards the steelers or ravens, we only have a week to talk to and possibly hire either Colbert/Whaley or DeCosta depending on who wins or if he wants a chance to speak with Tom Heckert of the eagles who may or may not be available to talk a week from now.

So, isn't the Broncos hiring of Pats' McDaniels a strong signal that Pioli is not coming to KC? Because McDaniels was considered to be Scott's top choice as a HC.

If Pioli were coming to KC, McDaneils would have waited because he knows that Pioli is going to select him as HC.

last year, the dolphins did that, didnt they?

Den has much better Offensive personnel in place. Also is known to do whatever it takes to get players wanted.

Pioli all but gone to Kansas City
What might have seemed like a long shot at the time -- Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli running the Chiefs' football operation -- is now looking more like a realistic possibility. Once thought to be the Chiefs' leading candidate, now there is no doubt: Pioli is their man, according to an NFL source. Perhaps more important, Pioli's interest in the Chiefs and a potential new career challenge has grown. All that stands in the way is hashing out a contract agreement, or perhaps a late pitch from the Patriots (who lost offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels to the Broncos yesterday as head coach), or a last-minute change of heart from Pioli. All scenarios remained in play as of early last night, but as reported in yesterday's Globe, the intensity of talks between Pioli and the Chiefs has increased within the last 24-48 hours. Word out of Kansas City continues to be that the possibility of the sides coming together is picking up momentum. The key has been the comfort level between Pioli, Hunt, and team president Denny Thum.
(Boston Globe)

\Disagree

Who says McDaniels is his first choice as a HC?

And wouldn't "first choice" also imply there are other choices?...

Hurry up, get this done, so we can fire Herm's dumbass and his partner's in dumbassness.

This. If he isn't signed by today it's not gonna happen. Really if he doesn't sign today Clark should just move on. If this guy is just dragging this out for his ego it only hurts us. Besides if he really wants to fire Herm with his first move he needs time to find a whole new coaching staff. The time is now if not move on and let Pioli run back to that shadow in N.E.

Thank you Nostradamus

Not necessarily to me anyway. You never really know. McDaniels leaving may have been another reason for Pioli to leave. You know after a while when the staff around you keeps getting promoted and leaving you are not left with what you want or believe in anymore.

Agreed.

I'm really going to miss you mini, wannabe owners run around like everyday is THE DAY it has to be done.

:spock:

I don't get why you feel it has to be TODAY. What is so magical about Monday Jan the 12th, other than it's my Father's Birthday.....who'd be 88 if he were alive today.

I like the sounds of this!:D

One article stated that Pioli and Hunt were making progress in negotiations. Can the sticking point still be Herm Edwards?

Pioli knows what the job descriptions of a GM entail, so what really is to negotiate? It could be money, but those type of negotiations seem only to take a long when there are multiple bidders, which doesn't appear to be the case unless Hunt is bidding against Kraft. I don't believe that because Hunt is good friends with the Krafts, and wouldn't have pursued Pioli unless they consented.

Seems to me that more likely what has happened is that Pioli has been offered the job, and is not really negotiating but is contemplating the offer. That is, unless Herm really is the sticking point.

Which Duke was he?

This is what it is looking like to me...

Herm is still ****ing over this franchise and fanbase...

foxsports Dungy to step down. Somebody else can start the official thread

Bo

And Bo knows football....

http://www.posters57.com/images/cate...n-The-Ball.jpg

Why would that warrant an official thread?

I have a real hard time believing Herm has anything to do with the GM hire. Clark has said that while he would like to retain Herm, it wouldn't be a requirement for a new GM. Unless something concrete comes out saying that retention of Herm is an issue, I just can't believe it to be true.

As for negotiations, I'm sure a lot more goes into it than we realize. Besides money, there's also things like contract length, performance bonuses (don't know if GMs get these), power, ability to hire/fire any coaches (rather than the HC), ability to work with Thum, etc.

Then, there's the issue of the Pats, and if they're trying to counter...

I just hope Clark isn't putting all his eggs into one basket. If Pioli is just contemplating the offer (rather than negotiations, or working out family decisions), then I have my doubts about him being the guy - I want someone who really wants to come to KC and turn this thing around. Perhaps that's idealistic, but that's my right as a fan. :)

Sure, but for for negotiations to be continuing, there has to be a sticking point. Other than Herm Edwards, what could it be? I guess it could be Thum. Clark is trying to convince Pioli that Thum is extremely competent, and won't interfere, but that Clark wants to keep him.

To be replaced by......



Herm Edwards

any good coaches on Dungy's staff worth looking at?

None of them are leaving.

They have Jim Caldwell in position to take over.

Perhaps Pioli would like to be surrounded by his own people
they need time to talk to their wifes and families to get an answer
and there are people at Arrowhead who don't know if they have jobs or not
you don't just shue them out -they need time to clean out up to 20 years of stuff

Scott has definitely been offered the contract and all indications are he agrees with the terms. Unless, he gives Kraft a shot to match, we should be hearing an announcement within 48 hours.

Link?

That's good, I guess.

He still has connections at the top levels of Arrowhead.

Does it really matter if we get Pioli if we don't get a poven Coach?
I mean Pioli and Herm will not work.
Pioli and Mcdaniels? Im glad Denver got him first!!
why would we want some guy that hasn't been a head coach?

McDaniels attended John Carroll University, where he played football as a quarterback and wide receiver from 1995 to 1998
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2001

2002-2003


2004-2008

2006-2008

2009-present</TD><TD>Michigan State
(Graduate Assistant)
New England Patriots
(Personnel Assistant)
New England Patriots
(Defensive Coaching
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New England Patriots
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New England Patriots
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Notice he played at a nobody school is 32 years old, was a graduate assistant for 1 year and got a NFL job? Took over a great offense and now is Head coach material anyone remember Charlie Weis???????????????
Thanks but no thanks
Denver is Doomed, let's not make the same kind of mistake they did!!

I take it Herm is gone if Pioli accepts?

LMAO

:clap:

We still don't have Pioli, but if he was to accept the job, then I suppose it would come down to whether he thinks any of the available coaches are significant an upgrade enough to move Herm. Otherwise, the talent pool in 2010 of available coaches might persuade him to take a year to evaluate and then make his move.

All that said? I think Herm is done. As much as I think it would have been fair to Herm to let him go when CP was canned, it gives an incoming GM another option, making the job more attractive.

Look up Dean Pees, that's all I can say.

You're shitting me. :D

Where is the WPI scoop on this. Is the errouneous one holding out?:)

Now THAT, would make me very happy....:)

Ok what is Dean Pees? :shake:

Well, that's a good sign. Someone got his name right.:clap:

another nobody D.C. for the Patriots

Crennell=Pees
Weis=Mcdaniels
all 4=Herm+Gun

Right, because playing at a big school is indicative of coaching success...

Bill Belichick played at powerhouse Wesleyan University
Scott Pioli played at Central Connecticut State University
Don Shula at John Carroll University
Tony Dungy at Minnesota
Bill Parcels at Wichita State

Also-- his inexperience prior to being hired into the NFL should be a testament to his ability/character... it's hardly a stretch to say he's been successful thus far in his professional career. Somebody saw something in him, and rightfully so.

That said, he is the enemy now, so I wish nothing but the worst upon his team (the Broncos)

sounds like Herm

Pees is just one of the candidates, who nobody has mentioned, so I threw it out there, because he's supposedly on the short list.

You have to be a joke.

What tipped you off? The 400 question marks or the 200 exclamation points?

And, I'm impressed with McDaniels. He's worked his way up fast and, overload of Patriots offensive talent aside, I think he's a damn good coordinator. Head coach? We'll have to see.

I'd really prefer if the GM brings in a coach from a team outside of NE. Those guys just don't seem to do well without Belichick.

I was referring to the ignorance of the content. ;)

so, can I just ask that if we do hire Pioli that another thread be started to say that? I'm tired of checking this one!!!!

I second this motion.

Pioli get's hired
the front page will be filled with Pioli threads

I agree... but I can guarantee we will see multiple new threads like:

Who will Pioli hire for head coach?
When will Herm be fired?
What does Pioli look like with women's underpants?

I am pretty sure it will be all over the place.

He did nothing to warrant a job in the NFL in the first place.
Gunther Cunningham came to the US on a boat and was adopted and given a coaching position as well.
Many guys get jobs in the league because of who they know.
No way can anyone sit and say they think Charlie Weis or Romeo Crennell are good coaches.
Mcdaniels got to the NFL after haing 1 year of being a grad ass. at Michigan State,hell the Head Coach at Mich State usually doesn't get that chance.
Many ex Nfl players that are great do not get these chances.
Mcdaniles will be out in Denver in 3 years.

When will Pioli lower ST prices

No need to even ask this... the server will go into overload handling all the threads.

I wouldnt be surprised if this is your thread....:D

Gunther Cunningham came to the US on a boat shirtless and was adopted and given a coaching position as well.

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I wonder what Pees wife's name is hahaha

waiting...

Yes sir.

I really hope and pray that is true. Would be funny as hell.