Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9903086)

I thought that too. And that would make sense. A guy who was a dominant left tackle at a Mid Level D1 school making the transition to the pros struggling with his technique at the pro level is to be expected. he will get it figured out....

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9903945)

^ people get so stupid over this 1st overall pick issue. This was one of those underwhelming drafts where there really was no clear #1 overall pick. Many felt that the top 2 players were Fisher and Joeckel. It's been two preseason games, and people are crying, JFC. Not the sexy pick, but building in the trenches is not a bad thing. If you can't protect your QB or open lanes for your RB, then you are handicapping your two key players on offense... and you DO want a better offense, right?

Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 9903922)

He was the first overall pick. If you're taking a left tackle first overall, he'd better be the new Orlando Pace and dominate immediately from day one to even come close to justifying it.

Even then, there'd better not be any playmakers worthy of even a top 10 pick. Wasn't the case this past draft, as Tavon Austin and Dee Milliner went in the top 10.

Even with all that, the left tackle position is still increasingly irrelevant by the year as teams continue to move their best pass rushers to the right side of the field and statistics show that quarterback performance doesn't significantly differ whether pressure is coming from the left or the right. The last five Super Bowl winners did it with mediocre left tackles and half-decent O-lines at best.

So really, there's no justifying the Fisher pick in the modern NFL, and it especially looks bad because he's so raw and playing horribly in both training camp and preseason.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9903963)

People are implying that it was mostly Alex Smith's fault Friday. Let's take a look at what actually happened.

-No Charles.
-Bowe double covered.
-OL getting pushed back into the QB.
-Kelce and Baldwin dropping passes they should have caught.
-Rookie RB looking decent but not that great.
-Baldwin not getting separation or turning head for the ball.

Alex wasn't the factor like people are proclaiming. He was a part of many factors.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9903963)

People are implying that it was mostly Alex Smith's fault Friday. Let's take a look at what actually happened.

-No Charles.
-Bowe double covered.
-OL getting pushed back into the QB.
-Kelce and Baldwin dropping passes they should have caught.
-Rookie RB looking decent but not that great.
-Baldwin not getting separation or turning head for the ball.

Alex wasn't the factor like people are proclaiming. He was a part of many factors.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9903980)

Thank you for compiling the season excuse-list early.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9903513)

And there it is.

Funny that fisher is injury prone. I guess geno smith and Mingo just had freak injuries.

Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 9903922)

He was the first overall pick. If you're taking a left tackle first overall, he'd better be the new Orlando Pace and dominate immediately from day one to even come close to justifying it.

Even then, there'd better not be any playmakers worthy of even a top 10 pick. Wasn't the case this past draft, as Tavon Austin and Dee Milliner went in the top 10.

Even with all that, the left tackle position is still increasingly irrelevant by the year as teams continue to move their best pass rushers to the right side of the field and statistics show that quarterback performance doesn't significantly differ whether pressure is coming from the left or the right. The last five Super Bowl winners did it with mediocre left tackles and half-decent O-lines at best.

So really, there's no justifying the Fisher pick in the modern NFL, and it especially looks bad because he's so raw and playing horribly in both training camp and preseason.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9903208)

So we are back to trying to justify a project right tackle at first overall?

Great.



If I was privy to the information GMs are privy to, I'd say I'd have done something like this:

1) Sign Matt Moore instead of trading two seconds for Alex Smyth and cut Matt Cassel.

2) Trade down to 12 with Miami, adding another second rounder.



3) Draft EJ Manuel, Geno Smith. depending on who interviewed/worked out the best. Not who I thought would be an immediate impact quarterback, but who I thought had the highest achievable ceiling.

4) take Robert Woods with our second rounder to help give our drafted quarterback a chance with two good receivers.

5) Draft Margus Hunt with our traded for second rounder from Miami

6) I like the Travis Kelce pick, so I'll actually keep that one at the top of the third.

7) Alex Okeafor with the comp third.

8) Nico Johnson with the fourth

9) coupled my 5 and 7th rounders to move up to take Marcus Lattimore

10) Bacardi Rambo in the 6th

11) Tyler Bray with the 6th comp pick

As far as FA goes, I am OK with Sean Smith, Fasano, Hussein, Devito, Jordan and Avery.

I would still have my second rounder next year and would be VERY excited about the short and long term future of this team.

How's that?

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9903990)

Yeah, really. What QB needs his receivers to get open, catch balls thrown in their hands, or blockers to protect him.

Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 9903922)

He was the first overall pick. If you're taking a left tackle first overall, he'd better be the new Orlando Pace and dominate immediately from day one to even come close to justifying it.

Even then, there'd better not be any playmakers worthy of even a top 10 pick. Wasn't the case this past draft, as Tavon Austin and Dee Milliner went in the top 10.

Even with all that, the left tackle position is still increasingly irrelevant by the year as teams continue to move their best pass rushers to the right side of the field and statistics show that quarterback performance doesn't significantly differ whether pressure is coming from the left or the right. The last five Super Bowl winners did it with mediocre left tackles and half-decent O-lines at best.

So really, there's no justifying the Fisher pick in the modern NFL, and it especially looks bad because he's so raw and playing horribly in both training camp and preseason.

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9903997)

Well, yes, Mingo did have a freak injury. They still don't know how he ended up with a bruised lung.


He was the First overall pick in a top 10 draft that was littered with offensive linemen. As I have stated. 7 of the top 12 were offensive linemen with one receiver, 3 pass rushers, and a corner taken. They didn't see Milliner as a need because they already had Flowers, Sean Smith, and Dunta Robinson. They didn't need a pass rusher because they have both Hali, and Houston, and even on draft day there was speculation they were going to move Albert.

It was the absolute worst case scenario for the Chiefs. They were damned if they did, and damned if they didn't, and had they drafted Milliner, people would of crushed them for taking another corner after spending so much in free agency on the position. The only possible outcome that would of made people happy were to reach for a qb, or to take Austin.

It sucks.