Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 17863862)

Bills fans always assume if they, someday, get back to a SB...they will automatically win it. Like getting past Mahomes is their only obstacle.

Wouldn't losing 5 SB's be a record? Careful what you wish for....

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17864041)

Forgive me if it was already posted but Nick Wright had a fantastic rant on his podcast yesterday re: the best QB in the league debate that has surfaced again. Worth your time if you find it on YT, podcast channel, etc. (Can't link right now myself).

What I love about it is when people keep going back to this well of doubting Mahomes and the Chiefs, I think it only does us favors. You'd think haters would have learned from the Patriots years, doubting a team like that is the worst thing you can do. Pissing them off is not going to help your chances of defeating them (thanks, Justin Tucker).

But getting back to the main point, it's exhausting the lengths people will go to in order to discredit what Mahomes has done. People are so desperate for something fresh and new that it makes them reeruned in their analysis of the current landscape, the Chiefs in particular.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17864046)

This happened all the time when Brady was the guy 10+ years ago. Bottomline Mahomes has the hardware.

Don’t really see the problem with saying Josh Allen is a great QB though. Every generation of QB’s has those guys. He’s probably going to be Peyton Manning while Mahomes is the Tom Brady of this generation.

He’ll probably win 1 ring eventually but I’d project that Mahomes will win at least 2 more making 5 total

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17864056)

Allen is really good. He's up there with Mahomes physically, just doesn't have the accolades.

Until he wins some big games, he's below him.

Manning was better than Brady, but that's a whole other discussion.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17864062)

I used to think that too but IDK, Manning had some pretty low playoff moments and the numbers back it. Like his production definitely dipped.

Then you have Mahomes whose playoff stats and record is that of a unanimous NFL MVP. In the biggest games and against the best opponents. It's not talked about enough because people are already tired of him.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17864070)

Plus Manning had Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James for a long time. Brady had to make do with lesser skill players for most of his career.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17864070)

Plus Manning had Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James for a long time. Brady had to make do with lesser skill players for most of his career.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17864062)

I used to think that too but IDK, Manning had some pretty low playoff moments and the numbers back it. Like his production definitely dipped.

Then you have Mahomes whose playoff stats and record is that of a unanimous NFL MVP. In the biggest games and against the best opponents. It's not talked about enough because people are already tired of him.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17864073)

This is more of a discussion of QB’s after Mahomes. This year has solidified Allen as QB2 and it’s not close. None of us would take Burrow or Lamar or Stroud or anyone over him if Mahomes wasn’t an option.

And he may be the most talented QB ever due to his legs. He’s certainly up there.

If he ends up being Dan Marino/Charles Barkley then that’s still a HOF player and one of the best, most talented QB’s ever. I think people place team success on QB’s too much. We all know the Brady morons do this for SB55 when it was clearly not Mahomes fault.

Allen will win MVP this year and he deserves it. But he’s gotta beat Mahomes at some point if he wants to ever win a ring.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17864045)

In a row? I believe so. Overall? Nope as I believe Denver has 5 of them.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17863861)

And here's the thing.

"It's not his fault he lost"

It never is, man. And that's why I can't give a shit about Josh Allen no matter how spectacular he looks.

We do this stupid shit every year. Bills warm the hearts and vaginas of every casual NFL fan and become the popular SB pick by season's end, Josh looks great in the playoff game, and the Bills lose. It's not Josh's fault, and that fact is made known by EVERYBODY in the media. It's shouted out loudly and frequently. Some might even say it's shoved down our throats. "Not Allen's fault! Not Allen's fault!"

Enough with the crocodile tears. I don't care. I never did care, and I ESPECIALLY don't care now that he's getting older as a player. Let me know when Josh gets an actual signature win and slays an actual dragon. I figure he'll do it eventually, but thus far for being so goddamn great I haven't seen it yet.

Sorry, but dramatic impressive losses in the playoffs don't do it for me. He's way closer to Justin Herbert than he is Patrick Mahomes