Does anybody think Tomlin can't go to the FO and say "enough with the ****ing characters at WR"?

At this point, it's by design, and he's responsible.

But people try to praise him for it like it's a good thing. As if he has control. When has he looked in control of Pickens?

Oh cmon, a full season is way different compared to 3 games.

I'm the one that hard advocated for Thuney at LT all through the playoffs, but even I understand that we're trading our All-Pro LG for an average LT just to survive in the short term.

Every coach is pretty meh by means of actually winning in the postseason until they get an elite QB.

Good luck getting that QB while stuck in NFL purgatory!

That's exactly why he's so ****ing mediocre. It's not like he's some offensive mind too that's going to identify his guy with the FO and go get him. There's zero reason to beleive he can find a QB.

Tomlins Steelers have also botched a couple playoff games where the Steelers had a clear talent advantage. Jaguars and Browns in particular.

… and bragging rights…

See? Couldn’t even finish your post without patting yourself on the back.

No one in the history of this board sucks their own dick as much as you.

Agreed, and getting the most out of your roster is the main objective for any Head Coach.

You probably made this same post about Andy Reid circa 2017 lol

Yes!

The only good coaches in the league if you asked these dipshits would be Reid, McVay and Sirianni.

Tomlin? Sucks.

McDermott? Sucks.

Harbaugh? Sucks. Both of them.

Shanahan? Sucks.

Lafleur? Sucks.

Dan Campbell? Sucks.

We literally just did that with Mahomes..

You're in full disingenuous cock sucker mode.

I know you understand the difference between "sucks" and "mediocre".

I never once said Tomlin sucks.

Are you really ****ing being this disingenuous? The part you left out of that quote:

Tomlin and the Steelers just recently took a ****ing swing and came away with Kenny Pickett. But sure, if Tomlin turns into Andy and pulls a Brett Veach out of his ass he can do it!

He's a ****ing defensive coach. He can't evaluate QBs for shit.

Just realized that every single coach you listed other than Tomlin has won a playoff in the last 2 years while Tomlin hasn't won one since 2017.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

You're so bad at this.

Ok, so why are we grading Tomlin harshly for poor draft choices at QB? They have a GM. I assume they have a scouting department. Isn’t it their job to find players for Tomlin and his coaching staff to maximize?

Weird argument to make anyway given the noise about us allegedly aggressively looking to trade up and draft Paxton Lynch in 2016.

So have Doug Pederson and Mike McCarthy. Your point?

Because being a defensive minded coach is already a disadvantage. It's a knock, whether that's fair or not. The fact that he can't identify and develop a QB himself makes him less of a HC in the modern NFL.

That's exactly why I'd take Mike McCarthy over him too.

Also, that narrative about the Chiefs and Lynch has long been disproven. The Chiefs we're literally calling about trading back in that draft according to Peter King.

Damn, you just keep making it worse and worse for Tomlin LMAO

Again, you are awful at this.

Not only is he a defensive coach that can't identify a QB talent and develop him, it's also been pointed out that he can't find an OC worth a **** either. So who the ****s going to do it?

MEDIOCRE.

Hilarious that you’d mention McCarthy. Wtf has that guy ever done to distinguish himself in your mind? At best he’s just an offensive-minded version of Tomlin. AT BEST.

I just ****ing explained it to you. He's a good offensive mind that at least has the chance to identify a QB and go get him while you're stuck in mediocrity.

This really isn't that ****ing hard.

What does Tomlin have that McCarthy doesn't? A ring? A more recent playoff win? That Cowboys offense when healthy was at least more exciting than anything anybody in Pittsburgh has seen in 10 years, and they actually won a playoff game.

That's the funny part. I'm not even saying that McCarthy is better, he's just more ideal.

But you'd have no problem if somebody said McCarthy was mediocre LMAO

Show your work then.

What QB has that dude identified and drafted?

I didn't say he has.

Again, being a good offensive mind, I know he at least has a better shot. I just saw what he did with Dak. He can coach offense and QBs.

It is not crazy to say that the offensive guy that has coached QBs probably has a better shot than the guy that has no ****ing clue about QBs.

I hope you aren’t implying that this is a race thing..

I'm not. I have no clue what it is, but acting like calling Tomlin mediocre when he hasn't won a playoff game in almost a decade is blasphemy is just hilarious.

Again, McCarthy has a ring too. They both got handed franchise QBs. McCarthy more recently won a playoff game.

If it's blasphemy to call Tomlin mediocre, it's blasphemy to call McCarhty mediocre. That's the point.

LMAO LMAO

“Well, yeah, sure he’s technically never done it but maybe he could one day! Ya never know!”

It absolutely is.

If Mike Tomlin and Mike McCarthy are mediocre coaches then who’s a GOOD coach?

Yup, that's what I said.

There's really no point in arguing with somebody that is being this disingenuous. Anybody else would fully understand my point and likely concede.

You are sitting here trying to argue that it's not more like that a SB winning HC that was a great OC doesn't have a better shot at identifying a QB than a SB winning HC that was a great DC.

McCarthy developed Flynn and made him look good enough for the Seahawks to pay him to be a starter. That's not shit and yet that alone is more than Tomlin has ever done. Tomlin is a 0 when it comes to ability to identify talent. It's not a stretch to say McCarthy is at least a 1 or even a .5. Tomlin is a defensive guy, it's not even his ****ing wheelhouse.

Rat Face Jr., McVay, LaFleur, KOC, etc.

Now I got you sucking McCarthy dick too LMAO

So he's a great OC and QB coach, good HC, but it's STILL as stretch to say he has a better shot than Tomlin at identifying his own QB for his own system LMAO

You're such a ****ing disingenuous bundle of sticks.

Now I KNOW you didn’t just list KOC in your ranks of good head coaches above Mike Tomlin and Mike McCarthy ROFL

You’re such a ****ing fraud.

There are literally teams drooling to trade a 1st and/or more to acquire him, but sure, that's a crazy take! This is how out of touch you are. KOC is seen as a ****ing genius.

KOC just took Sam ****ing Darnold and had him put up MVP numbers.

Yes, I'm going to say the guy that has made chicken salad out of chicken shit with backup level QB the last 2 years is a damn good coach and has a legitimate shot at identifying his own franchise QB and getting him (might have already).

No, you’re arguing that an offensive-minded coach would have a better shot at identifying and drafting a QB.

I’m arguing that we’re discussing Head Coaches here, not GMs. We do not know nearly enough about any of these team’s internal operations to place blame at the HC’s feet for missing on the QB drafting crapshoot.

No, I'm arguing that an offensive minded head coach that has accomplished everything Tomlin has has a better shot than Tomlin all things even.

Do you understand how much goes into drafting a QB? Just because you can ignore your HC/OC doesn't mean it's wise. They should always be a part of that process. If it's going to work, everybody has to be on board, that's why the Kingsbury hire was crucial for the Commanders.

That's why Caleb struggled so much and why they underachyas an offense, even with OL issues. The Bears did not have that guy on offense, and getting handed a "generational" QB doesn't mean shit if you don't.

McCarthy can coach offense at a high level. You're literally saying he's a good HC, I'm sure you wouldn't argue that he's not a great OC and QB coach. Stop being such a ****ing disingenuous cock sucker for once.

Kind of funny how you’re so recent-results driven but KOC gets a pass that Tomlin doesn’t.

Dude’s team got smacked in the Wild Card Round by the Daniel Jones GIANTS. Next year they missed the playoffs entirely. Year after that they got squashed in the Wild Card Round AGAIN despite winning 14 games in the regular season.

0 playoff wins in his career, FYI.

Yes, I'm giving KOC the benefit of the doubt 100% because he's younger. That's the same shit we do with athletes. I give Stroud more of a pass for a down year sophomore slump than I would a 10 year vet . That's how it works.

I fully understand that KOC hasn't proven anything in the playoffs yet. That's the difference between me and you, I'm not scared to make predictions or use some foresight. I am confident that KOC is a good HC today, despite the way their season ended.

He was in the toughest division in football. He lost 3 regular season games and ended up in a WC with Sam Darnold on the road against a team with a much better QB that could just as easily be our opponent in the SB.

You can laugh all you want but there's absolutely nothing crazy about what I'm saying. I guarantee there are many owners and GMs that would take KOC over Tomlin, probably even the majority.

Holy shit, shut the **** up about head coaches

What KOC did in Minnesota this year was more impressive than anything Tomlin has done in the last several.

LMAO The funniest bit is ThaVirus purposefully trying to piss off staylor and then actually getting pissed off in return. It's happened multiple times now.

Me just existing sends that chode into a tizzy lol

For the record, I have never been mad in a debate with Staylor even though he says a bunch of stupid shit. Closest he ever got was when he called be Schrödinger’s mulatto or some shit like that in DC LMAO even then I was just like “wtf? You’re dumb as hell”

But yeah, no one wants to see us shit all over the Worthy thread about a HC argument so I won’t say anymore on it. I’ve told him multiple times to keep those other arguments in the past but he just can’t help himself. This one was juuuust different enough from the one we already had in the other thread for me to engage.

Either you're ****ing lying or mixing me up with somebody else.

You definitely got werird/mad when you said you were "living with a pregnant woman" and I asked if the kid was yours, because you're a ****ing weirdo.

Every time today I've come back to this thread hoping for my Worthy content, and every time today it's been staylor and Virus playfighting.

What the hell is a mulatto? Some type of frozen dessert?

I'm more than happy to go back to arguing about Worthy and Coleman but he doesn't want that smoke anymore.

Spanish word for mixed.

In any case, both Rashee Rice and Worthy are better than T Boone Pickens.

So xavier worthy is pretty good.


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I hope Hollywood and Watson come back and Hollywood gets the chance to give us a full year and we use another second round draft pick (or the Sneed third) on WR to keep developing and stay young. Rice, Worthy, Brown, Watson (and Kelce) would be a great group of receivers.

Avg 7 touches for 70 yards per game in his playoff career. Not bad for a rookie!

Am I the only one that doesn't care if Hollywood comes back? The guy has never been able to stay healthy.

I'm not married to Hollywood, but I do want a player similar to him.

Though you could probably just draft another day 2 receiver and 'promote' Worthy to that Z sort of role. His route tree and physicality have come a long way.

But he might die. So if we do that, I absolutely want another developmental WR in the pipeline behind him so we're not looking at more Hopkins/JJSS sorts to gap fill.

I want another player who can play at a WR2 level. Be that Brown, a rookie and/or a different veteran on a 'make good' contract.

How would you all feel about adding tee higgins in free agency?


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Too expensive. He's probably getting $30 million from someone.

Nah.

We won't use him.

The Hopkins experiment has really crystalized how little use this team has for contested catch/jump ball receivers.

I mean I don't mind having a cheap one around to break glass in case of emergency every now and then, but spending top WR money on a guy who's just not the right scheme/skill fit for us would be awfully goofy.

If we'd look that route I'd prefer Chris Godwin on a shorter, cheaper deal.

He smells like a loser. Don't want that stench anywhere near the team

No, he's gonna be way too expensive and we need the cap space.

It was either you or Discuss. One of you said it, the other laughed. He’s basically just a fatter, sadder version of you so my apologies for the mixup.

I definitely did not get mad about the pregnant woman debate. I was just being cagey because you’re a weirdo. Who even asks someone questions like that? lol. WEIRDOS, that’s who.

Hey, he started tickling my cock first. Things got a little hot and heavy.. I’m sorry.

I’m actually hoping we can get him back on a cheap 1 or 2 year deal. I think a trio of Rice, Worthy and Hollywood would destroy the league.

Stylistically, I like that they’re all different enough to occupy a specific role in our offense, but similar enough that one could cover for the others in case of injury/suspension.

Like DJ, I think a guy like Hollywood fits our offense perfectly. I think I would rather just have a guy LIKE Hollywood rather than Brown himself. I'm a big "the best ability is availability" guy.

What were the Bills thinking?

Yea, "is it yours?" it's not a totally normal follow up question to the mysteriously vague "I live with a pregnant woman".

But you're right, me, Discuss, what difference does it make? :rolleyes:

Just further proof that you're completely incapable of admitting you're wrong or taking an L. "Sure it wasn't you that said it, but it practically was!" What kind of cope is that? LMAO Me and Discuss are absolutely nothing alike.

Way too expensive. Love the player, don't love the price tag.

I haven't ventured over to the draft forum yet but are they all agreed that a left tackle is the most and possibly the only need in the draft

Give Brown the security of a longer deal that doesn't break the bank?!?

Left Tackle is gonna be really tricky with our draft position.

Drafturbators are gonna have to help me with this one, because it feels as if we've hit the end of the "wave" with the 2022 draft class looking to get paid. With not many obvious "needs" in the draft, do you just go BPA the whole draft and try to reload as much as you can?

The short version is that there is going to be a ton of turnover this off-season. The biggest 'need' at this MOMENT is left tackle, but with a lot of contracts coming up, there will be multiple holes to fill.

Is Xavier Worthy a Hall of Famer?

Nope.

No, apparently it's impossible to find a good one so we should just keep doing what we're doing which is throwing brokedick veterans and day two picks at the position. Hopefully they lock Joe Thuney up as well so he can salvage the season when it almost inevitably fails again.

Picking at the end of rounds it's very hard to find a LT.

Even in the supposed greatest OT draft ever, the guys that made it that far aren't any good, Anton Harrison is a bum and currently playing RT.

Well here’s the list of tackles drafted. Feel free to show us which one of these in the last handful of years is a good starting LT that actually fell to 20 or later bc from what I’m seeing it’s Darrisaw and that is literally it.

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/t

Crow alluded to it somewhere in the draft forum when he made a distinction between Kingsley the prospect and Kingsley the 2025 player.

I think he was asked if Simmons was a better prospect than Kingsley (yes) but that doesn't mean he is a better PLAYER in 2025 than Kingsley, with a year under his belt, would be.

We can - we WILL - develop a homegrown LT. We're honestly not THAT far away from it with Morris. I do think he was largely passable until the knee got too bad to continue playing on. He might still have more room for growth.

Maybe it'll be Kingsley.

And hell, maybe it will be someone that we draft in the late 1st. But that guy is GOING to need to be coached up. A lot. If we're looking to get ourselves a home-grown LT, that's going to be a guy who gets a redshirt year if we take him in the 1st or 2nd or wherever.

I think, right now, there is NO harder position, quarterback included, to find a year 1 starter than OT. Especially LT. It's just a brutal, brutal position to find talent at. And for the most part you're going to have to be willing to play the long game.

That's a pretty tough sell for this team.

Come on, man. Morris is done. He played in a glorified preseason game against the Broncos week 18. Really think he's doing that on a knee that he can't play on? He's gotten the Toney treatment.

He hasn't proven he's completely useless, which Toney actually did. Toney was a liability any time he was on the field or the ball went his way. At least Wanya could be a Guard or RT in the future, or at the very least a backup like Allegretti.

One of the best things Terez talked about was OL.

“Good luck getting a left tackle bc God don’t make many of us that big, and he don’t make many of us that big and athletic and he sure as hell don’t make hardly any of us that big, that athletic and that smart.”

God I miss Terez so so much.

Well, yeah. He's going play out his rookie contract as the swing tackle. Toney got cut because he couldn't shut the **** up about it and had a horrendous attitude.

We have Rice and Worthy dirt cheap. I wouldn't waste money on a top tier guy. I'd invest elsewhere.

Everyone is with Sassy on wanting a LT. If we could get high enough for one at a reasonable trade price we think is the guy I’d pull the trigger.

It’s hard though bc the next 2 years is gonna be a big transition period for us.

Bolton and Trey are FA’s this year. We’re losing one of them. Reid is probably gone, Kelce will retire soon and not taking another TE in this awesome TE class would be a sin IMO. Tranquill is getting older and slower, Thuney will need to be replaced soon, lot of age/washed players after Rashhe and Worthy at WR, we don’t have a good RB, Turk is probably gone, Omenihu is probably gone, Conner hasn’t been great.

That’s not even considering the best overall draft in franchise history are entering contract years next year so we have to plan there.

Cook, Pacheco, Watson, maybe Leo. We saw what our CB depth looked like this yr at without Watson. And man that guy is gonna get paid.

And I personally feel that S is a big problem next year with Reid gone and Hicks being the only guy I truly trust back there.

It’s a measure of risk tolerance. Vital draft capital for one player in a trade up or making sure the team overall is still talented with young players?

It looked like he probably earned another notch of respect with PMII tonight.

Kid played to the end.

he's off to a good start for his career Superbowl yards, catches and TD's

dude's a baller

I like everything I’ve seen out of this kid. He’s going to be great.

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He needs to spend a ton of time working with Pat this offseason. Get that connection down. You don't get to where Pat and Trav were in one year but you can mind meld on a few concepts or routes. Get a few things were you guys completely operate on the same page.

Start it. Perfect it over the years but start that connection now.

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Start a new thread, dumbass