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Balto 08-29-2023 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17078412)
I maintain that the only reason he’s still part of the team is that you never actually hit ‘send’ on that email to Veach with your 18,341 trade proposals.

OR my last name could be KATZ!!!!

Balto 08-29-2023 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17078451)
Goddamnit!!! I wondered why Veach hadn't dealt MVS for a conditional 6th in 2027 yet! That was a foolproof plan!

Would gain us $7M in cap!!! Might be needed with the Chris Jones stuff going on! Great idea Raybec.

ptlyon 08-29-2023 02:01 PM

And the time has come. And went.

Chieftain 08-29-2023 02:04 PM

This bundle of sticks will Tyrann Matthew his way out of town by season's end. Then, will end up signing an undervalued Orlando Brown type contract for overplaying his hand because of...... GREED.

**** this dumb fool.

TLO 08-29-2023 02:10 PM

He's a tiger warrior with the heart of a lion

jjchieffan 08-29-2023 02:26 PM

Well, it looks like they didn't place him the reserve did not report list. I fully expected that they would. Maybe they're close to a deal?

O.city 08-29-2023 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 17078597)
Well, it looks like they didn't place him the reserve did not report list. I fully expected that they would. Maybe they're close to a deal?

I didn't realize that deadline was today.

Would make some sense I guess.

TLO 08-29-2023 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 17078597)
Well, it looks like they didn't place him the reserve did not report list. I fully expected that they would. Maybe they're close to a deal?

Big news if true

Mecca 08-29-2023 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 17078597)
Well, it looks like they didn't place him the reserve did not report list. I fully expected that they would. Maybe they're close to a deal?

They haven't even announced all their cuts yet.

O.city 08-29-2023 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078660)
They haven't even announced all their cuts yet.

Think it had to be done by like 3, so they're probably all done

Raiderhater 08-29-2023 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17078163)
To me this would seem an obvious case of difficult negotiations where having the player - who feels he’s being undervalued by the organization - at arms length from the team would be beneficial. This is how and why agents make their money.

I totally get what you are saying but… I don’t know, I guess it depends on wether or not CJ’s agent is just following his client’s wishes or if he is giving him bad advice. If the former, I agree with you. If it’s the latter, a face to face where Veach can by pass the agent’s BS and lay out for CJ just where exactly this path he is on will lead might not be a bad thing.

But all we can do is speculate.

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:06 PM

Jones was placed on the reserve/did not report list.

Bl00dyBizkitz 08-29-2023 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078731)
Jones was placed on the reserve/did not report list.

God damnit

Balto 08-29-2023 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078731)
Jones was placed on the reserve/did not report list.

NIIIIIIIIIIIIICE! Great Job Veach!

O.city 08-29-2023 03:11 PM

I can't believe we're about to have another Le'veon situation. It's just......shocking someone else is gonna do that.

Wisconsin_Chief 08-29-2023 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078731)
Jones was placed on the reserve/did not report list.

Dude isn't coming back until week 8, not sure why anyone thought otherwise. His time with this team is going to come to an ugly end, much like what happened with many players during the Patriots dynasty. It is what it is, may as well prepare yourself for it.

This year will be the ultimate test for Andy, Pat, Kelce and Spags. They haven't let us down yet, so I have no reason to think they will now. Jones doesn't seem to understand he's a cog in the Kansas City machine, not the engine.

Enjoy your time off, Chris. We'll all move on.

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:14 PM

Jones costing himself 10 million dollars is just so stupid.

Wisconsin_Chief 08-29-2023 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078758)
I can't believe we're about to have another Le'veon situation. It's just......shocking someone else is gonna do that.

NFL players are, let's face it, generally pretty stupid. Agents like to take advantage of that and are also sometimes pretty stupid themselves.

What we have here is a perfect storm of stupidity, and it's going to work out very poorly for all involved.

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:16 PM

Jones probably thinks if he sits 2 games and the Chiefs go 0-2 giving up 40 points in both games they'll give him whatever he wants to save the season.

O.city 08-29-2023 03:17 PM

He better hope they do.

If they come out and play well.....man. I just don't get it.

ChiefaRoo 08-29-2023 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078771)
Jones costing himself 10 million dollars is just so stupid.

And legacy damage. Huge.

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:21 PM

So at the end of the day Chris Jones for all the talk and all of that is just a dipshit huh?

It's one thing to holdout but he's now taking it further than basically any other player has.

siberian khatru 08-29-2023 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078780)
Jones probably thinks if he sits 2 games and the Chiefs go 0-2 giving up 40 points in both games they'll give him whatever he wants to save the season.

Honestly, at this point I hope the Chiefs have factored that into their decision. They can’t cave.

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:23 PM

I mean I'm sorry it's one thing to hold out, but this just takes it to a whole nother level of idiocy.

ChiTown 08-29-2023 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078798)
So at the end of the day Chris Jones for all the talk and all of that is just a dipshit huh?

It's one thing to holdout but he's now taking it further than basically any other player has.

Yeah, I really thought he'd be on the active 53 today. This...this is just bordering on stupidity with his Agent. Now, he's losing leverage every day. At this point, he and his agent have to be banking on the Chiefs looking like shit without him. Not good.

O.city 08-29-2023 03:24 PM

Dude's gonna give up 10 million dollars.

That's just wild to me.

Balto 08-29-2023 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078783)
He better hope they do.

If they come out and play well.....man. I just don't get it.

Exactly. Worst case scenario for Jones 8-0 if he does in fact plan to sit 8 games.

It's kinda weird thinking that Jones, at home on the couch, might be cheering for KC to lose. Geez I hope he doesn't post himself cheering.

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 17078807)
Yeah, I really thought he'd be on the active 53 today. This...this is just bordering on stupidity with his Agent. Now, he's losing leverage every day. At this point, he and his agent have to be banking on the Chiefs looking like shit without him. Not good.

Maybe they read social media, basically the narrative is without Chris Jones their teams will get to beat Mahomes now and we'll be like 9-8.

Titty Meat 08-29-2023 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078809)
Dude's gonna give up 10 million dollars.

That's just wild to me.

A poverty franchise like the Bears will give him 120 mil

Bl00dyBizkitz 08-29-2023 03:25 PM

****ing blows that this is gonna be looming over every Chiefs game for the first half of the season.

VAChief 08-29-2023 03:26 PM

I know this means he doesn’t count against our cap, but what options could that open up if any?

TEX 08-29-2023 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17078763)
Dude isn't coming back until week 8, not sure why anyone thought otherwise. His time with this team is going to come to an ugly end, much like what happened with many players during the Patriots dynasty. It is what it is, may as well prepare yourself for it.

This year will be the ultimate test for Andy, Pat, Kelce and Spags. They haven't let us down yet, so I have no reason to think they will now. Jones doesn't seem to understand he's a cog in the Kansas City machine, not the engine.

Enjoy your time off, Chris. We'll all move on.

Yep. Never took him for the Honey Badger bitch boy type, but he is exactly that.

KCUnited 08-29-2023 03:26 PM

Can't imagine some no name agent is like **** that 26-27 AAV Chris, we can get 32!

He's probably more pissed than we are that Chris is acting like a fat bitch right now

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:26 PM

If he legit doesn't report until week 8, I'll bet he's out of shape and doesn't contribute until week 12 and you'll be lucky if you get more than half ass because he'll only be here because he has to be.

Hammock Parties 08-29-2023 03:27 PM

still hope

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4uo12ZW...bp&name=medium

O.city 08-29-2023 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17078816)
A poverty franchise like the Bears will give him 120 mil

The Chiefs can tag him next year and do this whole thing over again. Him sitting out gives the Chiefs more leverage.

They could theoretically have him, if he sits to week 8, for about 48 million dollars via the tag for the next 2 years.

ChiTown 08-29-2023 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078813)
Maybe they read social media, basically the narrative is without Chris Jones their teams will get to beat Mahomes now and we'll be like 9-8.

I can actually understand that rationale, even if I don't appreciate it. His problem is that he's now in a position for rooting against his team and teammates. That's a clubhouse problem. This is no bueno.

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 17078826)
I can actually understand that rationale, even if I don't appreciate it. His problem is that he's now in a position for rooting against his team and teammates. That's a clubhouse problem. This is no bueno.

Well getting paid seems to be the only thing he cares about.

ChiTown 08-29-2023 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078829)
Well getting paid seems to be the only thing he cares about.

That's blatantly obvious at this point.

Titty Meat 08-29-2023 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078825)
The Chiefs can tag him next year and do this whole thing over again. Him sitting out gives the Chiefs more leverage.

They could theoretically have him, if he sits to week 8, for about 48 million dollars via the tag for the next 2 years.

They'll trade him after this year

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 08-29-2023 03:29 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There has been no new movement between the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> and Chris Jones on his contract per source. Officially, Jones has been placed on Reserve/Did Not Report <a href="https://t.co/lGELEbKnYr">https://t.co/lGELEbKnYr</a></p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1696632043072037023?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

siberian khatru 08-29-2023 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17078824)

I was at that game in Tampa, sitting in the end zone, and in the days before social media I had no idea he had returned until I saw him in uniform on the field warming up.

Balto 08-29-2023 03:30 PM

So the trade deadline is OCT 31st. Week 8.

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:30 PM

Chris Jones flushed being remembered in a good light by this fan base...

O.city 08-29-2023 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17078833)
They'll trade him after this year

If they have him for the rest of his prime for 50 million dollars...why would they do that?

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078839)
If they have him for the rest of his prime for 50 million dollars...why would they do that?

If they were to tag him after this year that would be UGLY AS ALL ****, like the drama would be the worst ever he might not report for the entire season.

VAChief 08-29-2023 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078829)
Well getting paid seems to be the only thing he cares about.

Except, now he doesn’t get paid, and is gambling someone will make up the difference.

Titty Meat 08-29-2023 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078839)
If they have him for the rest of his prime for 50 million dollars...why would they do that?

He wants the money we don't want to pay him. If a guy doesn't want to be here and you can get some quality picks for him why would you keep him?

O.city 08-29-2023 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078842)
If they were to tag him after this year that would be UGLY AS ALL ****, like the drama would be the worst ever he might not report for the entire season.

So the dude is gonna flush 35 million dollars down the chute?

Rainbarrel 08-29-2023 03:32 PM

I don't remember the knee to the head. He obviously took in the Super Bowl

Easy 6 08-29-2023 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 17078803)
Honestly, at this point I hope the Chiefs have factored that into their decision. They can’t cave.

Exactly, after the clownshow he's put on you gotta hold the line... Jones is a bigger dumbass than I ever could've imagined

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078846)
So the dude is gonna flush 35 million dollars down the chute?

He's already flushing money doing what he's doing now.

O.city 08-29-2023 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17078845)
He wants the money we don't want to pay him. If a guy doesn't want to be here and you can get some quality picks for him why would you keep him?

They should have done that 5 months ago....yet here we are.

Monticore 08-29-2023 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078839)
If they have him for the rest of his prime for 50 million dollars...why would they do that?

Sitting out half the games both years isn’t much help .

TEX 08-29-2023 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078839)
If they have him for the rest of his prime for 50 million dollars...why would they do that?

That is exactly the hand I'd play.

VAChief 08-29-2023 03:36 PM

Can they sign Dunlap now?

O.city 08-29-2023 03:37 PM

They've got $ available, but they have to keep it open based on him showing up or not. So they can't go spend it.

This is a big ****ed situation. Blown up offseason in the middle of Mahomes prime and one of Kelce's last years.

****ed.

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078851)
They should have done that 5 months ago....yet here we are.

Pretty good chance they thought Jeffrey Simmons, Quinnen Williams territory was what they were looking at because of Jones age 3rd contract etc.

Him coming to them with completely unexpected demands when he knew he had the time at the worst possible time was on purpose. You can't say "well the Chiefs shoulda done this"

When NO ONE thought he was gonna ask for Donald money and he magically didn't do that until after FA and the draft...it was purposeful and it makes Jones the one who created this issue.

He basically is trying to strongarm the Chiefs into doing what he wants by putting them in a corner. Lets make outlandish demands when they can't move me..lets say I only want to be a Chief and how I love it in KC..then lets not report and try to screw the team.

Dudes being a selfish ass about the entire thing.

DJ's left nut 08-29-2023 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078839)
If they have him for the rest of his prime for 50 million dollars...why would they do that?

The guy appears content setting $20 million on fire and refusing to play while he's under contract (when accounting for the damage done to his tag figure).

You think there's a chance in hell he's signing the franchise tender? Of course not. And that's probably why the other $10 million in impact on his franchise figure next year isn't included in his calculus. He has ZERO intention of signing that tender.

He's done here. He'll play out the season, probably half-assed and eventually hurt, then he'll get moved. Because he's taken steps at this point to ensure that coming back at $25 million or so is non-tenable for him. And the Chiefs have drawn their line in the sand.

I think this saga is mostly over at this point. Now it's all over but the crying.

smithandrew051 08-29-2023 03:38 PM

Has any Chief hurt their reputation with the fans more while being on the team, alive, and still being good at football?

PHOG 08-29-2023 03:38 PM

He can afford it, right? Amirite!?!?!

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078864)
They've got $ available, but they have to keep it open based on him showing up or not. So they can't go spend it.

This is a big ****ed situation. Blown up offseason in the middle of Mahomes prime and one of Kelce's last years.

****ed.

And it is 100% on purpose because Jones knows he's screwing with a team trying to go back to back, it's a strongarm tactic to "get mine"

ToxSocks 08-29-2023 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17078870)
The guy appears content setting $20 million on fire and refusing to play while he's under contract (when accounting for the damage done to his tag figure).

You think there's a chance in hell he's signing the franchise tender? Of course not. And that's probably why the other $10 million in impact on his franchise figure next year isn't included in his calculus. He has ZERO intention of signing that tender.

He's done here. He'll play out the season, probably half-assed and eventually hurt, then he'll get moved. Because he's taken steps at this point to ensure that coming back at $25 million or so is non-tenable for him. And the Chiefs have drawn their line in the sand.

I think this saga is mostly over at this point. Now it's all over but the crying.

Mmmhrmmm.

O.city 08-29-2023 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078867)
Pretty good chance they thought Jeffrey Simmons, Quinnen Williams territory was what they were looking at because of Jones age 3rd contract etc.

Him coming to them with completely unexpected demands when he knew he had the time at the worst possible time was on purpose. You can't say "well the Chiefs shoulda done this"

When NO ONE thought he was gonna ask for Donald money and he magically didn't do that until after FA and the draft...it was purposeful and it makes Jones the one who created this issue.

He basically is trying to strongarm the Chiefs into doing what he wants by putting them in a corner. Lets make outlandish demands when they can't move me..lets say I only want to be a Chief and how I love it in KC..then lets not report and try to screw the team.

Dudes being a selfish ass about the entire thing.

Sure. It's on him. I agree.

But don't wait if this is the case. It's just ****ed.

VAChief 08-29-2023 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078864)
They've got $ available, but they have to keep it open based on him showing up or not. So they can't go spend it.

This is a big ****ed situation. Blown up offseason in the middle of Mahomes prime and one of Kelce's last years.

****ed.

But after he misses a game check that money goes to us correct? If so then if he shows up he is only due what games are left.

O.city 08-29-2023 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17078870)
The guy appears content setting $20 million on fire and refusing to play while he's under contract (when accounting for the damage done to his tag figure).

You think there's a chance in hell he's signing the franchise tender? Of course not. And that's probably why the other $10 million in impact on his franchise figure next year isn't included in his calculus. He has ZERO intention of signing that tender.

He's done here. He'll play out the season, probably half-assed and eventually hurt, then he'll get moved. Because he's taken steps at this point to ensure that coming back at $25 million or so is non-tenable for him. And the Chiefs have drawn their line in the sand.

I think this saga is mostly over at this point. Now it's all over but the crying.

Yeah....I agree.


I'd trade him now if I could. Just be done with it.

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078877)
Sure. It's on him. I agree.

But don't wait if this is the case. It's just ****ed.

Honestly..

I don't think they thought he would demand that much money or pull this protracted hold out thing...if they had expected it they likely would have handled it differently.

Warrick 08-29-2023 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078851)
They should have done that 5 months ago....yet here we are.

Yeah, but at the time CJ acted as if he was going to be a Chief for life and we lost Saunders as well with the CJ antics. :)

Balto 08-29-2023 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17078872)
Has any Chief hurt their reputation with the fans more while being on the team, alive, and still being good at football?

LJ maybe?

TambaBerry 08-29-2023 03:42 PM

**** Chris Jones what 3 sacks in the playoffs whatever asking for that much money. Don't let the door hit you on the way out

Easy 6 08-29-2023 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monticore (Post 17078854)
Sitting out half the games both years isn’t much help .

Yep, and he'll either get injured, dog it, or both

The Franchise 08-29-2023 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078881)
Yeah....I agree.


I'd trade him now if I could. Just be done with it.

To who? Who is going to give him the contract that he wants?

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:43 PM

30 year old Chris Jones last big pay day is the only thing that matters to him, I guess the Chiefs should have seen that coming, an aging player trying to cash in one last time is what he is.

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17078890)
To who? Who is going to give him the contract that he wants?

Lets swap him for Bosa!

Apparently he and the 49ers are nowhere close on a deal either.

Not gonna happen I know but funny to joke about.

Balto 08-29-2023 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078864)
They've got $ available, but they have to keep it open based on him showing up or not. So they can't go spend it.

This is a big ****ed situation. Blown up offseason in the middle of Mahomes prime and one of Kelce's last years.

****ed.

Not exactly true. Even when/if he comes back Veach does not have to take him off the list until "THEY" think he's ready to play. Veach can do whatever he wants now that Jones didn't report today.

O.city 08-29-2023 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078884)
Honestly..

I don't think they thought he would demand that much money or pull this protracted hold out thing...if they had expected it they likely would have handled it differently.

Very true.

But shit man...you just can't let yourself get drug over the barrel like this right?

ChiTown 08-29-2023 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17078890)
To who? Who is going to give him the contract that he wants?

and they're certainly not going to do it now. We're in purgatory.

FringeNC 08-29-2023 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078892)
30 year old Chris Jones last big pay day is the only thing that matters to him, I guess the Chiefs should have seen that coming, an aging player trying to cash in one last time is what he is.

Yeah, but the thing is.....it's not clear that this strategy will even maximize his earnings.

O.city 08-29-2023 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17078895)
Lets swap him for Bosa!

Apparently he and the 49ers are nowhere close on a deal either.

Not gonna happen I know but funny to joke about.

I'd take a 2nd for Jones from Chicago and package a couple 1's and 2's and send them to SF for Bosa

He wants 33 a year so no thanks to that though.

Mecca 08-29-2023 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17078897)
Very true.

But shit man...you just can't let yourself get drug over the barrel like this right?

I mean what are you supposed to do?

So this guy that we budgeted to pay like a top player at his position even at 29 years old is demanding to be paid like the 1 outlier at his position we can't do that...and in return the player basically lights everything on fire while smearing shit on anything not burning?

No one would have really expected him to do that, it logically doesn't make sense.


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