It's fair to say Skyy had an up and down rookie season, but you can definitely see the potential. Hopefully this kid keeps grinding and earning Mahomes' trust.

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You basically just said "DJ's Left Nut" three times

He's already twice the football player Hardman is, just keep him off the PR team and he's gonna be fine

Side note: Just watched that movie for the first time in probably 20 years - I never realized how little Michael Keaton is actually in it.

That's an Alec Baldwin/Gena Davis movie.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Skyy Moore putting in that work 💪 <a href="https://t.co/dIVe1pzvVc">pic.twitter.com/dIVe1pzvVc</a></p>&mdash; Noah Gronniger (@NoahStarcade) <a href="https://twitter.com/NoahStarcade/status/1640124123073347585?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Is he wearing a sports bra on that last rep?

Good to see him working. Now get in the lab and learn that playbook.

Keaton is a smallish man. I mean, he's about 5' 8" if I remember correctly (met him and Courtney Cox on the slopes of Crested Butte CO back in like 1990? Right below the Twister warminghouse), my height, but very light-boned, very slim stature. I'd guess back then he didn't weigh more than maybe 135-140lbs?

Pass. Too fat.

:clap:

Need the kid to be a weapon this year

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Skyy Moore is ready for a big jump year 2 👀🔥 Trainer <a href="https://twitter.com/bobbystroupe?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bobbystroupe</a> talks <a href="https://twitter.com/skyymoore24?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@skyymoore24</a>’s improvement so far this Offseason <br><br>“Before Your Eyes Episode 4” Out Now on YouTube (<a href="https://t.co/gPz5idyBQ1">https://t.co/gPz5idyBQ1</a>)<a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SportsCenter</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/espn?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@espn</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/overtime?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@overtime</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BleacherReport?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BleacherReport</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/brgridiron?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@brgridiron</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/210ths?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@210ths</a> <a href="https://t.co/RirXWFAuKR">pic.twitter.com/RirXWFAuKR</a></p>&mdash; Prospect Media (@prospectmedia_) <a href="https://twitter.com/prospectmedia_/status/1660674391154278400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sounds like something that makes Andy very happy.

I have more faith Skyy Moore will have more receiving yards than Kadarius Toney. Not that hes better. I just have no faith in Toneys ability to not get injured with the way he jerks around his body.

Skyy Moore going to go over 1000 yds this season.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No matter the weather, there&#39;s always sunny Skyy&#39;s in KC ☀️<a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickMahomes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PatrickMahomes</a> x <a href="https://twitter.com/skyymoore24?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@skyymoore24</a> <a href="https://t.co/G0OTbwsSIv">pic.twitter.com/G0OTbwsSIv</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1664021288560517123?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I've noticed that based on the daily OTAs pics, Moore has been running with the 1s a lot.

He was in Texas working with Mahomes every single day according to Reid. That can’t hurt. Plus it shows he is motivated to claim a spot.

He looks noticeably stronger

Very impressive how wide open he is in this video.

Not supposed to be "impressive" it's just a clip from OTAs.

God damn some of you are miserable.

No I'm serious. It's probably his best trait!

A few folks said Skyy was playing the same position as Juju last year. Well it looks like he’s taking over that position this season.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> Patrick Mahomes said Skyy Moore will be similar to JuJu Smith-Schuster&#39;s role last season. <br><br>He said this receiving core understood what it takes now since everyone is more acclimated to the offense and now they&#39;re teaching each other. <br><br>&quot;We just have a deep group.&quot;</p>&mdash; PJ Green (@PJGreenTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/PJGreenTV/status/1669377758571503616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not sure if that link is wrong, or if this is a joke that I just don't get....

I'm leaning towards the link is wrong...

Ha! I had to show that to my brother from the media sub. Still can’t believe that woman is 77! ROFL

Wrong spank bank pic.

If Skyy becomes the "gotta have a 1st Down" possession reciever this year, I'm happy. Don't care about stats too much, if he can keep the chains moving and the offense chugging, then I think he's a great pick.

But I heard from some rerun that he can't get open

He was always gonna be a chain mover with his skill set.

Chiefs coach Andy Reid said WR Skyy Moore is "taking a good jump."

Reid noted that Moore was one of the "higher-targeted receivers" after the team's final day of minicamp. Moore failed to earn Reid's trust as a rookie and caught just 22 passes for 250 yards. He was also benched from punt return duties because of fumbling issues. Getting on Reid's good side this offseason is step one in Moore turning things around. With JuJu Smith-Schuster and Mecole Hardman now gone, there's more opportunity up for grabs in Kansas City. Patrick Mahomes also praised Moore after minicamp and mentioned him as a candidate to take over Smith-Schuster's role. Going as a WR5 in fantasy drafts, Moore is a strong upside bet for his relatively low cost.

Mmmhmmm.

Yeah, i wonder who those people were.

Not that he was playing JuJu's position, but that his skillset always suggested if he were to see snaps this year, it'd be in JuJu's place as an underneath/short yardage receiver.

He was never going to be Hardman's replacement as many suggested. He is not a gadget guy.

Many on CP: WE NEED DHOP!

Me: No, we need the guys we've invested high picks in to play well while they're on still on their rookie deals.

We'll see who's right.

I'm on the Skyy, Toney, and Rice train!

It's a mystery....

LMAO
Not a chance. Maybe try doing a little math before saying stupid things.

I’m sitting passenger.

I'd be happy with DHop but it isn't going to happen so I'm fine with the young guys too.

What? There's absolutely a chance. Juju almost certainly would have if it weren't for the knee and the concussion. If Toney misses time, that'll be more targets for Skyy, too. I have high hopes for Rice, but he's a rookie.

I wouldn't bank on it, because it's a deep room, and everyone is probably going to get some targets, but it's certainly a reasonable possibility.

Yep. In a rookie season in which Skyy Moore was usually the 4th/5th/6th receiving option (behind mixture lineups of Kelce and other TEs, McKinnon, and Hardman and Toney when they were available) he still had 250 yards. That's not an insignificant number accounting for where he was in the lineup and where he was at skill/ability/knowledge wise.

1000 is totally a possibility.

Yeah, great question!

It also was totally coincidental that Moore's best performance was during a game Smith-Schuster missed entirely.

How is he ever going to be in a better spot? He, Patrick, the Chiefs and us all fans need and want him to succeed.

He knows this is his chance to make it the league and eventually get his generational changing money for his heirs.

Considering the only game Smith-Schuster completely missed last year was @Chargers, a game where Skyy Moore caught 5 balls on 6 targets for 63 yards, maybe YOU should try doing a little math (Other than the math that supports your position).

If he's filling that role in the offense and stays healthy, 1,000 yards for Moore is not a very aggressive projection either on volume (which would account for most of the yardage) or on improvement.

Close but not quite.

Here’s how it goes:

Chiefs sign Hopkins - “Missing piece that we needed. Elite level WR. We might go undefeated.”

Chiefs don’t sign Hopkins - “**** him. He sucks anyway. We might go undefeated.”

What math could I possibly do that would say there is no chance that Skyy Moore goes for 1000 yds? Having any type of discussion with you is exhausting because you say shit that doesn't make much sense and then act like you're some realist that bases his opinions on facts.

You've really molded yourself into a pretty shitty troll.

Here's some math for ya

Skyy Moore only played in 29% of the snaps on offense and was able to get to 250 yds as the 5th option. If you give him 80% of the snaps and extrapolate his yds as the 5th option, that takes him to 690 yds, but he's not going to be the 5th option. He's going to be the 2nd or 3rd option and that's going to lead to a substantial increase in production.

He's going to be a better player than he was last year and after an entire off season of being Patrick's shadow, sharpening his routes, and developing a better understanding of what Patrick wants him to do, then I bet he steps up in a big way. So you go ahead and keep whining and pissing and moaning because the team you root for just won there 2nd Super Bowl in 5 years, but didn't get an old ass player that your obsessed with and I'll continue enjoying the things this team is doing. I'd rather be optimistic about our young players developing into great players, then whatever pessimistic bitch thing you've got going on.

Andy is talking him up like he thinks he's going to make a jump and the media is really talking about how good he is. As you know, usually when the coaches and media are talking about a guy during the off-season, then that player turns out to be pretty good, but you go ahead and keep being a bitch. I can't wait to tell you I told you so.

He's already done the complex "math" to determine there's no chance so I'll just paste it.





https://media.istockphoto.com/id/536...3rLwFyaI-Yd3o=

Wait. This is your math?

Please explain how your math has a guy who averaged 11.4 yards/catch as a rookie/5th option, replacing a guy who averaged 12 yards/catch in the role, is going to need 100 catches to get to 1,000?

Even if he doesn’t improve at all, there’s no reason to think his yards/catch is going to plummet by more than a yard.

All of this is just Megatron's way of continuing the whining about the WR room.

I'm sure zilla will be along shortly too.

Guys, are you really telling me you can’t figure this out? No one can do basic percentages/statistics?

Someone here has to be smarter than dilf9. You guys have to be kidding me.

Tell you what, if no one figures it out by this evening I’ll post the math.

No. Idk what that is. driving though. Standby

Lmao, as if it's set in stone that Skyy Moore will average 10 ypc and a 66.7% catch%. He's going to play Juju's role and JJSS averaged 12 ypc last year. Skyy Moore is quite a bit faster than JJSS, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that Moore could avg more ypc than JJSS. If he gets 12.5 ypc, then he only needs 80 receptions to hit 1000. I'd be willing to bet that he improves his catch percentage as well. He's going to run better routes and will have more insight into where PMII wants him to be on the field.

If he catches 71% of his targets and avgs 12.5 ypc, then he only needs 113 targets. That's only 6.7 targets a game. That's doable.

we're waiting with baited breath

Dilf9?

Dad I'd like to ****? I'll take that lol.

If no one figures out the math that you made up in your head, then you'll post it? You should just go ahead and do it so we can tell you how wrong you are and laugh at you.

I don't see any way Skyy doesn't go for 1,400 yards this year. My math is based on him averaging 21.4 ypc, so he's only gonna need 65 receptions to make this happen.

Boom, there's the math.

I always thought Megatron leaned more towards the optimistic side and usually made at least half way decent arguments, but this off-season has me rethinking that position.

You said he would need 101 catches to get to 1000 yards. Which would mean averaging right at 10 Yards/catch. Which is a yard and a half less than he averaged as a rookie, and 2 yards less than Smith-Schuster averaged in the same role.

That math doesn't track.

He does typically lean towards optimistic, but the WR room is apparently a hill to die on for him.

I mean, let's say Skyy and Toney absolutely kill it this year, all of that bitching people like him and zilla did is going to get bumped and make them look very foolish.

Lol, you could just say you’re incapable of doing basic math.


Here, this is all the numbers you can probably handle.

22 rcp /33tgts 250 total yards 1001yards


That’s all you need to do the basic math. The solution won’t be quite correct, but it gets you in the general area.

I corrected the FVs. That’s why 10.2 yds; not 11.4.

I’ll finish this later

This thread got dumb as ****.

Let's see your arithmetic on that, pal!

MegaMoron + discussion of our current WRs = AIDS.

Still waiting on that expert breakdown my man.

I posted this above, but assume you missed it.

Lmao, as if it's set in stone that Skyy Moore will average 10 ypc and a 66.7% catch%. He's going to play Juju's role and JJSS averaged 12 ypc last year. Skyy Moore is quite a bit faster than JJSS, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that Moore could avg more ypc than JJSS. If he gets 12.5 ypc, then he only needs 80 receptions to hit 1000. I'd be willing to bet that he improves his catch percentage as well. He's going to run better routes and will have more insight into where PMII wants him to be on the field.

If he catches 71% of his targets and avgs 12.5 ypc, then he only needs 113 targets. That's only 6.7 targets a game. That's doable.

Forget it. His math is always based on zero improvement expected from young players and zero context. I don't know what happened to him.

I'll go 46rec for 593yds and 5TDs for young Skyy in '23.

I think your low. I'm going 47 for 594 and 6 TD's.

Actually a Skyy prediction thread is a great idea. Get on it chop chop.

Megatron right now:

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I mostly agree except I would add a “0” to the end of each of those.

Damn Skyy is gonna be alive in 2230?

Legends live forever.

Imagine how many Super Bowls we’ll win

What is 250x4?

What is 22x4?

If Moore has the exact rate stats he had a year ago, he needs 88 catches - not 100 - to get to 1000 yards.

If he improves at all, that number falls.

Again, he literally had one game where he played the role it looks like he’ll play in 23, and in that game he caught 5/6 targets for 60+ yards and had multiple key third down conversions against good coverage players.

Averaging 5 catches and 60 yards would get him to 1,000 yards.

There’s no logical reason to act like it’s an insane projection to think Moore could get to the 1k mark or beyond. Other than digging your heels in because you can’t give up no matter what.

Damn, no one took stats/probability, ever?

Question: how many targets does Skyy need to break the 1,000yd mark.

Working parameter: Skyy is the replacement for JuJu Smith Schuster, and must operate within that role, i.e., short-to-intermediate zones, between the numbers.

simple data:

250yds/22cth=11.4yds/cth

1001 yds/11.4yds=87.8 catches, so 88 catches

.667y=88, solving for 'y.' Y=131.xxx, so 131 targets needed to reach 88 catches.

That's the lazy, imprecise way to do it. But it does get you in the ballpark. Anyone think there's a realistic chance that Skyy sees 130+ targets? When Toney needs at least 120 targets, and Rice needs, idk, 70? Ditto whichever Ross brother suits up, and James, and Watson . . . Trying to get Skyy 130 targets just doesn't add up.

But let's continue . . .



Now, above you posit the idea that Skyy could average more than 11.4 yards/catch, and that he could average better than 66.7% catch rate. Which sound reasonable in a bubble.



However, let's dive into that a bit.

For data, I'll give a couple three databases to work with. Use whatever ones you like, if these don't please you.

fantasypro advanced WR stats 2022:
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-wr.php

pro-football-reference receiving stats 2022:
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...g_advanced.htm

pro football database:
https://www.footballdb.com/statistic...ng?sort=recavg


Go ahead and look at the WRs in the NFL that average 70%+ catch rates, AND exceed 1,000 yards. Just for fun. We'll get back to that later.


Now, you said "If he gets 12.5 ypc, then he only needs 80 receptions to hit 1000."

Okay, let's break that down. in 2022, he averaged about 7.4 airyds/target, and about 4 yards YAC/r(eception). Now those two stats are slightly inflated, because he had a 30 yd reception and a 16 airyard target, and just 22 catches/33 targets total, so both of those numbers greatly skewed his final numbers, which is obvious when seeing that he averaged just 7.4 airyards/target. In other words, most of his routes were 7.4 yards or less.

But, let's cross-reference here and look at the WRs that consistently turn in seasons around those two numbers. How about just ONE yard higher and lower to give us a decent spread of 'similar' players?

So, at 8.5 yds/target Deandre Hopkins
8.2 CeeDee Lamb

8.1 A. Thielen

8.0 Brandon Aiyuk . . . you really believe that Skyy is better than these guys?



And what about around 7.4 to 7.0? Hunter Henry, 7.5, D. Smith and Keenan Allen 7.4, J. Chase at 7.0 . . . and Richie James comes in at 6.9. Anyone realistically think that Skyy belongs in that crowbetter than these guys in year 2 of his career?

And let's try to remember that the working parameter is between the numbers and mostly short-to-intermediate routes. So, Skyy isn't going to be running a lot of go-routes or sluggos, which would help boost his average yards/target. He's going to be catching most of his passes between 3 and 9 yards from the LoS. Which is why, even after having a couple targets beyond 15 yards, his air yards/target is still just 7.4.


Which is partly how I got to 10.1 yards/target. Because the first thing you have to do is subtract the outlier/anomalous data points, such as Skyy's 30 yard reception, as well as his lowest yard-catch, which was 1 or something. But that alone skews the results of that 7.4 yards/catch. And then there's his longest 'air yards/target,' which was 16 yards, iirc? That's gotta go as well as the least one, of course.

that drops his yards/catch to under 11.0 yards, and his air yards/target to just under 7.0, and then there's his YAC/r, which also drops after that one big catch/YAC play that went for 30 yards, goes away. Once those outliers are accounted for, his yds/tgt comes in at about 10.1 or 10.2.

And then we cross-reference to see if that holds up at all:

So you think that Skyy can go over 12.4 yards/catch. Okay, let's see what kind of WR operates in that air.

S. Diggs 13.2
Christian Kirk 13.2
Tyler Boyd 13.1
B. Aiyuk 13.0
CeeDee Lamb 12.7
Devonta Smith 12.6
H. Henry 12.4
T. Lockett 12.3
B. Cooks 12.3
Travis Kelce 12.2
J. Chase 12.0
Mark Andrews (TE) 11.6
DK Metkalf 11.6
Keenan Allen 11.4

So, probably not.



And btw, 66.7% catch rate/1000yds is high. It's also inflated by 0.3% (actual percentage is 66.667% for accuracy's sake) which equates to about 3 catches/6 targets, but I'll give you those gratis.


You say Skyy should be able to surpass 71% catch rate? Let's see who lives in that neighborhood.

Amon-Ra St. Brown 72.6%
Travis Kelce at 72.5%
T. Lockett 71.8%
T. Boyd 70.7%
S. Diggs 70.1%
Tyreek Hill 70.0%
D. Smith 69.9%
G. Kittle 69.8%
Justin Jefferson 69.6%
C.D. Lamb 68.6%
B. Aiyuk 68.4%
T. Higgins 67.9%
T. Higbee 66.7%
D. Hopkins 66.7%


And who's below 66.7%? Glad you asked.

How about J. Chase@ 64.9%? Adam Thielen, Mark Andrews, Terry McLaurin . . . all under 65% catch rates.


See, here's the thing you don't seem to understand. As targets go up, catch rates tend to go down.

that's just basic probability/statistics. Don't believe me? Let's cross-reference that with actual WRs that exceeded 1,000 yards in 2022, and ther catch%s.

Go ahead and click on that pfr link and click on the catch% column. Scroll down that list until you find your first 1,000 WR (as opposed to TE). That's Chris Godwin @ 73.2%.

EVERY OTHER WR THAT CROSSED OVER 1,000 YARDS HAS A CATCH RATE LOWER THAN 67%.



And let's be clear: Skyy isn't Godwin. Or Amon-Ra, or Lockett, or Stefon Diggs, fcs.





Probability says that Skyy's 66.7% being based off of 22/33 is probably inflated slightly, not the other way around, due to the tiny size of the data sample. The same way Toney's catch rate is totally skewed (please don't be dumb enough to think Toney can exceed 82% for an entire season, lol).

So the idea that he'll have a higher catch rate is not very likely, and in fact it's far more likely that his catch rate will be less than 66.7% by season's end. I tried to shoot right down the middle and gave him a 65% catch rate. Which is still pretty high, but at least more realistic. And when I ran those numbers, he went over 150 targets, at which point I just stopped, because no way Skyy sees 150 targets in 2023.



Like I said, it's a nice idea in a bubble.

Richie James plays for the KC Chiefs.

Love how he just ignored this then proceeded to further overcomplicate things in the very next post LMAO

Nobody's reading that shit

Were you using the same math to prove that it was impossible for Mahomes to be better than Alex Smith in his first year in 2018?

:facepalm:
You outdid yourself this time, with plenty of nothing to say X 1000.

A healthy JuJu would've easily had 1,000. He was damn close while dealing with that knee issue.

It's really not that complicated.

Yeah I read it, but it's still not even remotely close to proof that Skyy Moore won't get close to 1000 yds. Idk if he's as good as some of those guys because he hasn't gotten a chance. He will get more opportunities and with more opportunities comes more long receptions. You bring up all these other guys (Toney, Rice, Watson, the Ross' for some reason?), but only 2 guys will be ahead of him on the totem poll and none of the others will take any snaps from Moore.

Toney may get more targets, but he may also get hurt.
Rice will get the rookie treatment.
Watson won't get much playing time, unless there are some injuries.
Neither of the Ross' will see the field barring an absolute miracle.

Moore is going to play way more than last year and will be a starter. Either he or Toney will be a 1000 yd guy, unless they both get hurt.