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Megatron96 05-06-2024 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17511365)
Reminds me of a Drew Carey joke.

Science determined eggs were good for you. And then they determined eggs are bad for you. And now they're good for you again.

AGAIN?!?!

THEY WERE NEVER BAD FOR YOU!


lol, yeah, eggzactly.


I remember all of the back and forth about eggs since I was a kid. Drove me nuts, as I really love eggs. A couple years ago I just said screw it, I like them, and I'm going to eat them, and I don't care anymore what the government busybodies say about eggs. I mean, I don't cook them in butter anymore, except once a year around Thanksgiving or Christmas, mostly it's hard-boiled, soft-boiled or poached these days, but I'll eat as many as I like nowadays.

penguinz 05-06-2024 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17511341)
I read somewhere last year that 85% of your cholesterol came from your liver; even if you cut out all cholesterol from your diet, 85% of your cholesterol levels would be unaffected.



Can't remember if I bothered to verify that, but I have decided that I can eat eggs and red meat more than once a week. Shit, I eat like a dozen eggs a week these days.
Exactly. High cholesterol in men can also be attributed to low T as well

My cholesterol is well within range and I consume around a lb of beef per day and most days 6+ eggs.

I've also been able to drop my BP meds as my BP is now closer to being low vs high.

Your body is just a complex chemistry set.

ThaVirus 05-06-2024 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 17511318)
this is BS. Cholesterol is mostly genetic and or lack of exercise. Dietary cholesterol has little to do with cholesterol levels.
Do you have a source? I’ve known people who don’t exercise a lick and have affected their cholesterol levels by restricting their diet.

penguinz 05-06-2024 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17511466)
Do you have a source? I’ve known people who don’t exercise a lick and have affected their cholesterol levels by restricting their diet.
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The current epidemiological evidence indicates that dietary cholesterol (at current intakes) does not increase the risk of heart disease in healthy individuals. Clinical studies have shown that two thirds or more of the population do not have a considerable increase in plasma cholesterol after a dietary cholesterol challenge for extended periods of time, whereas in those who do respond, both LDL-C and HDL-C increase, and therefore they maintain their LDL-C/HDL-C ratio.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...61831322010535

Bearcat 05-06-2024 08:24 PM
Yeah, that study doesn't say dietary cholesterol has little to do with cholesterol levels, it says that in ~25% of people, it does matter, but their findings suggest it doesn't increase the risk of cardiovascular disease (and if I read right, it was pretty focused on eggs in particular).



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Recent reports derived from clinical interventions established that increases in cholesterol intake result in increases in both LDL-C and HDL-C in those subjects who respond to dietary cholesterol challenges (∼25% of the population), whether they are children (14), young adults (15), or elderly individuals (16). Further, there are specific circumstances in which dietary cholesterol results in increases in only HDL-C, whereas no increases in LDL-C are observed, as is the case with weight loss interventions (11, 17),

penguinz 05-07-2024 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17511499)
Yeah, that study doesn't say dietary cholesterol has little to do with cholesterol levels, it says that in ~25% of people, it does matter, but their findings suggest it doesn't increase the risk of cardiovascular disease (and if I read right, it was pretty focused on eggs in particular).
Of course it refers to no increase in cardiovascular disease. That is the concern with high cholesterol.

Triglycerides and "unhealthy" fats are the true cause. That's why eggs were used to test dietary cholesterol. They are a high cholesterol food but all healthy fats.

penguinz 05-07-2024 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 17511252)
Lewdog is about as fluffy as he’s ever been. So not hard to beat that one!

And I’m at the point in my life where trying to get lean every year just isn’t the enjoyable challenge it used to be. Other important things in life now so I’ll just try my best but I can’t mentally get that strict anymore.
Much better to be a bit thick and strong vs lean and not as strong anyways. Any scrawny ass dude can have a 6-pack.

Takes dedication and hard work to have lats big enough to fly and hulk-like traps.

BWillie 05-07-2024 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 17511022)
The thing that got really tight on me after getting an office job is a little muscle called the psoas. it goes from your lower spine, through your pelvis, and attaches to your groins. Sitting for long periods of time puts this muscle in a shortened position and that shortening can become chronic quite quickly. It caused a good amount of lower back pain, and kept me from being able to get good depth on squats. It got much better since I was able to move to a work from home position where I can get up and move around regularly without worying about who is watching me get up and leave the desk. Also, I got a kneeling chair and that helped.
Ive been a lazy pos for 15 years. Just started running and I dont have any of these issues you guys describe. However it feels like my shins are going to explode after I run 1.5 miles or sometimes 1 mile really hard.

loochy 05-07-2024 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17511875)
Ive been a lazy pos for 15 years. Just started running and I dont have any of these issues you guys describe. However it feels like my shins are going to explode after I run 1.5 miles or sometimes 1 mile really hard.

Yeah, there's not much you can do about shin splints other than lose weight.


They used to throb back in my soccer days

BWillie 05-07-2024 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 17511895)
Yeah, there's not much you can do about shin splints other than lose weight.


They used to throb back in my soccer days
I weigh 185 lbs. I think I'm just a pussy

penguinz 05-07-2024 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17511875)
Ive been a lazy pos for 15 years. Just started running and I dont have any of these issues you guys describe. However it feels like my shins are going to explode after I run 1.5 miles or sometimes 1 mile really hard.
Could be shoes, your gait, week muscles/tendons in lower leg or feet.

ThaVirus 05-07-2024 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 17511488)
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17511499)
Yeah, that study doesn't say dietary cholesterol has little to do with cholesterol levels, it says that in ~25% of people, it does matter, but their findings suggest it doesn't increase the risk of cardiovascular disease (and if I read right, it was pretty focused on eggs in particular).
Yeah, idk. Sounds like diet does have some effect on cholesterol.

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These recommendations are based on controlled clinical studies that have shown that dietary cholesterol increases serum total and LDL-C in a dose-response manner (6) and, based on an extensive literature, increasing serum total and LDL-C increases the risk of CVD…

Although the correlation between serum LDL-C and CVD risk is well accepted, the interindividual response to dietary cholesterol is quite variable

…

Table 7 (48) shows that the approximate LDL-C reduction when dietary cholesterol is decreased to <200 mg/d is 3–5%. As is apparent, other dietary interventions elicit a greater cholesterol-lowering response, i.e., decreasing saturated fat to <7% of total energy intake, losing 10 lb of body weight, and incorporating plant sterols/stanols into the diet.
Doesn’t sound conclusive either way.

Marcellus 05-07-2024 01:10 PM
Its not that diet doesn't effect LDL for example its that there is little to no evidence LDL actually causes heart disease unlike previously thought. Current research has found the studies were misleading and or done incorrectly.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30198808/

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Abstract
For half a century, a high level of total cholesterol (TC) or low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C) has been considered to be the major cause of atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease (CVD), and statin treatment has been widely promoted for cardiovascular prevention. However, there is an increasing understanding that the mechanisms are more complicated and that statin treatment, in particular when used as primary prevention, is of doubtful benefit. Areas covered: The authors of three large reviews recently published by statin advocates have attempted to validate the current dogma. This article delineates the serious errors in these three reviews as well as other obvious falsifications of the cholesterol hypothesis. Expert commentary: Our search for falsifications of the cholesterol hypothesis confirms that it is unable to satisfy any of the Bradford Hill criteria for causality and that the conclusions of the authors of the three reviews are based on misleading statistics, exclusion of unsuccessful trials and by ignoring numerous contradictory observations.

BWillie 05-07-2024 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17511957)
Its not that diet doesn't effect LDL for example its that there is little to no evidence LDL actually causes heart disease unlike previously thought. Current research has found the studies were misleading and or done incorrectly.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30198808/
What about just not having any HDL?

Marcellus 05-07-2024 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17511964)
What about just not having any HDL?
Probably insulin resistant/pre diabetic or diabetic. :shrug:

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