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Grim 08-23-2018 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13688074)
That is a very debateable point....considering the Chiefs had a shit ton of money to go drop on Sammy Watkins.

I could throw out a bunch of other points as well.

No, it's not.

Mecca 08-23-2018 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim (Post 13688087)
No, it's not.

Yes, yes it is.

Quickly explain to me how a team in salary cap hell has a top 5 paid WR that they just signed?

Or that they have several contracts that they can easily get out of. Or how about the fact that it seemed like John Dorsey didn't want to pay Eric Berry and Clark Hunt did.

Some of these cap things are overblown, you can say he made mistakes on guys like Houston and even Berry but that is a him and the owner clash situation. But this is not "cap hell" cap hell does not let you go sign 2 of the premier free agents this year.

Grim 08-23-2018 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13688097)
Yes, yes it is.

Quickly explain to me how a team in salary cap hell has a top 5 paid WR that they just signed?

Or that they have several contracts that they can easily get out of. Or how about the fact that it seemed like John Dorsey didn't want to pay Eric Berry and Clark Hunt did.

Some of these cap things are overblown, you can say he made mistakes on guys like Houston and even Berry but that is a him and the owner clash situation. But this is not "cap hell" cap hell does not let you go sign 2 of the premier free agents this year.

They had room after voiding contracts and cutting and trading players.
Jeremy Maclin got cut so that we could sign or draft picks last year.
If the Chiefs had some salary cap $$$ last year they could have bolstered the defense instead of having to count on Sorenson, Zombo and Revis.

NJChiefsFan 08-23-2018 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim (Post 13688115)
They had room after voiding contracts and cutting and trading players.
Jeremy Maclin got cut so that we could sign or draft picks last year.
If the Chiefs had some salary cap $$$ last year they could have bolstered the defense instead of having to count on Sorenson, Zombo and Revis.

And this year without Dorsey they had some cap space and still didn't.

ToxSocks 08-23-2018 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim (Post 13688115)
They had room after voiding contracts and cutting and trading players.
Jeremy Maclin got cut so that we could sign or draft picks last year.
If the Chiefs had some salary cap $$$ last year they could have bolstered the defense instead of having to count on Sorenson, Zombo and Revis.

Maclin got cut because he wasn't worth his contract. Clearly. Look at his production last year. Where is he now?

The Chiefs saw something in camp. We raged. They were right.

Fact is: DJ, Alex and Tamba were ALWAYS going to come off the books. Dorsey or not.

No one, not once, has been able to tell me what Veach has done to make our cap situation better.

Dorsey rode the edge of the cap. Look around and you'll find that a lot of the best teams do. The Steelers seem to be in perpetual cap hell.

Chiefs fans need to wake up and realize that the more talent you accumulate, the more money it costs to retain them.

Sorry that this isn't the Herm Edwards years where the team has 40+ Mill in cap space and only two players worth a shit to pay.

Talented teams cost money. Get over it.

O.city 08-23-2018 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13688250)
Maclin got cut because he wasn't worth his contract. Clearly. Look at his production last year. Where is he now?

The Chiefs saw something in camp. We raged. They were right.

Fact is: DJ, Alex and Tamba were ALWAYS going to come off the books. Dorsey or not.

No one, not once, has been able to tell me what Veach has done to make our cap situation better.

Dorsey rode the edge of the cap. Look around and you'll find that a lot of the best teams do. The Steelers seem to be in perpetual cap hell.

Chiefs fans need to wake up and realize that the more talent you accumulate, the more money it costs to retain them.

Sorry that this isn't the Herm Edwards years where the team has 40+ Mill in cap space and only two players worth a shit to pay.

Talented teams cost money. Get over it.

Dead money has killed the Chiefs cap more than the guys playing.

NJChiefsFan 08-23-2018 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13688250)
Maclin got cut because he wasn't worth his contract. Clearly. Look at his production last year. Where is he now?

The Chiefs saw something in camp. We raged. They were right.

Fact is: DJ, Alex and Tamba were ALWAYS going to come off the books. Dorsey or not.

No one, not once, has been able to tell me what Veach has done to make our cap situation better.

Dorsey rode the edge of the cap. Look around and you'll find that a lot of the best teams do. The Steelers seem to be in perpetual cap hell.

Chiefs fans need to wake up and realize that the more talent you accumulate, the more money it costs to retain them.

Sorry that this isn't the Herm Edwards years where the team has 40+ Mill in cap space and only two players worth a shit to pay.

Talented teams cost money. Get over it.

I liked Dorsey. I also have high hopes for Veach. I don't see why some need to trash on Dorsey to prop of Veach. We have no way to know yet how Veach's signings will work out, but I don't think anyone would describe them as cap-thrifty. I don't look at any of them and say "that's a contract Dorsey couldn't have worked out".

Marcellus 08-23-2018 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13688256)
Dead money has killed the Chiefs cap more than the guys playing.

He never should have paid Tamba. Dude sat on the roster last year because he was too expensive to cut.

DJ was overpaid but I see hwy the kept him around.

Marcellus 08-23-2018 01:52 PM

Also Dorsey's contract skills may have contributed to Smith getting traded so there is some good from it.

They had to cut Smith this season or the salary cap was ****ed.

O.city 08-23-2018 01:53 PM

Smith was gone the minute they traded up for Mahomes.

Chiefnj2 08-23-2018 01:54 PM

"Cap hell" let them sign Watkins to what is essentially a 2 year contract worth 27 mil guaranteed. More like heaven for Watkins.

RunKC 08-23-2018 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13688250)
Maclin got cut because he wasn't worth his contract. Clearly. Look at his production last year. Where is he now?

The Chiefs saw something in camp. We raged. They were right.

Fact is: DJ, Alex and Tamba were ALWAYS going to come off the books. Dorsey or not.

No one, not once, has been able to tell me what Veach has done to make our cap situation better.

Dorsey rode the edge of the cap. Look around and you'll find that a lot of the best teams do. The Steelers seem to be in perpetual cap hell.

Chiefs fans need to wake up and realize that the more talent you accumulate, the more money it costs to retain them.

Sorry that this isn't the Herm Edwards years where the team has 40+ Mill in cap space and only two players worth a shit to pay.

Talented teams cost money. Get over it.

The Steelers would have never paid Tamba. They are actually one of the best teams that know when to let older players go.

The Franchise 08-23-2018 03:38 PM

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Bewbies 08-23-2018 04:02 PM

How the hell does that happen? Maybe he got in a fight with Peters? LMAO

Sassy Squatch 08-23-2018 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13688483)
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