Has any Self team ever given up 60 points in a half before?

It’s a completely different world now.

I can’t imagine a coach being elite in the old days and now.

Self’s history of recruiting diamonds in the rough and building them up over 2-3 years simply doesn’t work anymore. Those guys are just going to transfer.

This team is about a Darryn Peterson short of being a legit contender.

I'd think it's currently the transfer portal... it's not like KU had a monopoly on paying kids under the table, but watch the team the past couple years and to the shock of no one, they look like a team that's never played together because... and then you NIL a dud like Dickinson who makes everyone around him a little worse and only shows up when he feels like it (which I guess you could blame on NIL), off years will happen... but it's cool this is considered "destroyed" I guess, goes to show how spoiled we are as fans.

Flory played 4 minutes in the second half LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

I expect they'll be a 3-4 seed given their resume, but that doesn't mean that they wouldn't lose in the first round either.

And Baylor was attacking the basket over and over again with great success for the entire 2nd half. Self just decided not to play his shot blocking NBA big for KJ.

Holy. Shit.

Bill self is an idiot.

Agreed. Similarly, Cal's style of freshmen recruiting isn't working anymore either.

College basketball success today is about bringing in high level transfers in and coaching them up into your system immediately. Self hasn't adjusted yet to that reality and he may never do it.

Not mad I missed this.

He’s won his titles. He’s made his money.

Would you blame him for not wanting to reinvent himself at his age with his recent health issues?

I don’t. If he’s checked out or too stubborn to change, I just hope he voluntarily moves on before it gets real ugly with the fan base.

I think we’re watching the downfall of Self. He’s cooked.

Dud? I would hate to defend a KU player and go against my alleged reputation, but this is just such a lazy take. Dickinson literally was the only player to show up today (20 points on 8/15 shooting). He's averaged a 17 point double-double in his two years at KU. He's consistently played great for this program.

Have you considered his teammates (two of which are 4+ year seniors) who can't shoot/score around him might be more of the issue than a guy who is a top 5 statistical player in the NCAA?

It seems to me that Self has lost a lot of intensity since the heart issue.

I admittedly don’t watch all of your games, but that’s what it seems like as an outside obeserver. Don’t seem him get fired up with the refs and with the team as much anymore.

Do you all agree with that?

I can’t help but think that has to be having something to do with the downturn in performance. Wonder if he’s about at the end?

We don't know what he's like in practice, but he's changed significantly on-court since the heart issue for sure.

I'd say the bigger issue for this team, though, is him not playing our best players for no real reason at all.


On/Off offensive stats for KU in Big 12 play

• Flory Bidunga + 24.5 pts per 100 possessions.

• KJ Adams -18.8 pts per 100 possessions.

• Dajuan -7.9 pts per 100 possessions.

Bidunga played 15 minutes? LMAO C'mon man.

Man, that sounds familiar...

Unlike Calipari, I still hold out at least some hope that Self will do what he has to do to win games when it really matters though.

There's no way he doesn't know Flory isn't the better player by now. He's just being stubborn as **** about it.

I don't think he has changed, I just think the things that he valued don't really work in the modern game. He wants to run on "trust" and experience and play through the center and defense first over everything. Self has never been one to trust freshman unless he has to, and every transfer, regardless of age, is a freshman in his mind. So you get bizarre things like Griffen playing 25 minutes one game then 7 the next, Moore starts but plays the fewest minutes of any regular, Storr scores 20 PPG on a tournament team yet can't find minutes on a team that scored like 120 points in 2 games combined and of course Flory will never be better than "his guy". He has to adjust and accept guys who don't fit his exact system and he, so far, hasn't. Maybe getting rid of all of "his guys" next year will force him to do that.

Nonsense.

I'm just nearly done with this team.

Is it? They were a preseason #1 for a reason. They're also still top 10 in KenPom/other analytic rankings despite being a complete mess in the clutch with a coach absolutely determined to play a bad player over his NBA big for reasons nobody can comprehend.

To be clear, I'm not optimistic about how this will end. But I do think they've got a lot of talent assembled here that Self apparently can't figure out how to fit together.

I think you've hit the nail on the head here. He sort of did the same with Remy too before he won a championship for us (despite Remy being one of the best players in NCAA coming from ASU). He just doesn't trust these guys and it's killing this team right now.

Yes.

“He wore us out the second half,” Self said of Wright. “We had no answer for him.”

Self gave this quote after the game after benching his shot blocking center who will be drafted in 5 months for almost the entire 2nd half for KJ Adams. I feel like talent ain’t the issue.

You can throw out all the numbers you want, this is a bad team from Coach on down...... Including Dickinson.

Dickinson is the best player in NCAA basketball - KCC

4th per KPOY actually

<img src="https://i.imghippo.com/files/Ldva8253KE.png" alt="" border="0">

Feels like we have bigger issues with this program currently than the guy who puts up 20 point double doubles consistently.

Russell Westbrook proves winning basketball is more than just stats. Dickinson is a good player...but if people think he's the 4th best player in NCAA basketball...he is incredibly overrated.

Are we talking Westbrook today or Westbrook of 8 years ago? Because one version was very good (just like Dickinson) and one very much isn’t.

I don’t even particularly like watching him play but the slander he gets when he’s basically their only player who shows up consistently isn’t called for.

If you put him on the 2022 championship team instead of McCormack with those guards (and no KJ playing 80% of the minutes around him), the guy would absolutely have been beloved (and KU would have been far better).

Come on gang, to be fair here, the players, mainly the newbies have not been consistent! They are too hot or cold and do not turn up the defense as HCBS likes from his players.

I do see a lot of talent to work with here, the experience should be paying dividends by now. AJ Storr has been a major disappointment IMHO. If Griffin can get hot, get more consistent play from Zeke, play Flory more, get everybody's heads out of their ass's, stop turning the ball over, hit your damn FT's, and hustle for loose balls & rebounds, they will be a HARD OUT for anybody.

But we have what we have because of the inconsistent play!

Hot damn it, got my wish, TxT pulled off the upset!

Toppin only player 4 minutes, too. Crazy.

Self tinkered with the lineup and we went up 20, then played his boys and we lost by 10. Seems pretty clear what the issue is.

I don't think he tinkered with the lineup as much as it was KJs first game back as the only reason he didn't start.

16th now

Do they even end the season ranked? Tonight will be a big step towards finding out.

Heading to tonight's game.

Tell Bill to play Flory.

If this doesn't tell Self that something is wrong, nothing will.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi4dxJTa...pg&name=medium

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is my 2025 NBA Draft top 100 Big Board 3.0 <a href="https://t.co/JUccibM0d1">pic.twitter.com/JUccibM0d1</a></p>&mdash; KJ (@KJ__Hoops) <a href="https://twitter.com/KJ__Hoops/status/1886484597913116912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Draft accounts are finally starting to figure out that Flory is gonna be a lottery pick.

Flagg is so damn good...

There's Flagg, then close behind him Broome, then there's just everyone else. Broome probably won't translate to a great NBA player, but he's a fantastic college player.

But Flagg could have easily the impact of someone like Banchero on day 1 in the league.

Flagg is the best prospect I've seen in many years. He's gonna be an absolute two-way force in the NBA imo

I've seen people toss Pippens name out there and thought "woah, now -- that's a bridge too far..."

I won't predict it.

But it's on the table.

I've had a conspiracy theory that Self is intentionally not playing Flory the minutes that everyone on the planet knows he should be, because he wants him to stick around for another year and not show everyone that he's a top talent.

Even if there was some truth to that, it's too late for that now. Flory is going to the league whether he wants it to happen or not and we might as well take advantage of him while he's here instead of playing the worst rotation player on the team 30+ minutes a game.

Ya'll remember what it felt like to be excited and giddy for Big Monday?

You know. I don't feel to bad because next year is going to be exciting. Darryn Peterson and Bryson Tiller. Don't forget ahout Baby Marko. He will be pretty good next year if he stays, you heard it hear first. If we can throw the bag at Bidunga and get him to return we could have a fun good team.

No more slow ass Dickinson. No more KJ or Harris. I think we will miss Harris the most out of those 3.

Can't believe we're resorting to hyping up Elmarko Jackson at this point. Speaks to the way this season is going.

If Grimes can turn into something so can Elmarko.

Just saw the players come from the floor to head in to the locker. KJ looks deflated.

Good but just in case you should yell to Bill right now while it's still quiet about playing Flory.

Mike Vernon says KJ starts tonight.

It’s even more over than previously thought possible.

Welp how much we losing by tonight?

Put Flory in

Well, so far, we are meh!

Ball movement - ok

Shooting - meh

Defense - met, more ISU cold outside!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">KU students have been chanting “Flory” and then “we want Flory.” I can’t think of another time like this where students basically loudly make it clear they disagree with a Bill Self decision. Just wild.</p>&mdash; CJ Moore (@CJMooreHoops) <a href="https://twitter.com/CJMooreHoops/status/1886599346290090414?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Put

Him

In

Self paid Fran to talk up KJ tonight

Nice D Harris :doh!:

Honest question, why is Coit the backup guard instead of Moore?

These lineups are like he’s just got 5 dice with different names that he rolls at each timeout

It was extraordinary, Harris almost beat him coast to coast!

Some type of commitment, just not sure how to label that one!

Moore was the starting guard for the past few weeks but Self didn’t play him throughout anyway. Doesn’t seem to be much rhyme or reason for any rotation.

What's the deal with TTU's HC?

Fran knows about KPOY and Dickinson

There goes our rebounding and defense with Flory coming out for KJ

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A student also threw a paper onto the floor under the ISU basket after one of the Cyclones’ offensive rebounds. <a href="https://t.co/gKBEFPmg51">https://t.co/gKBEFPmg51</a></p>&mdash; All Jayhawks (@all_jayhawks) <a href="https://twitter.com/all_jayhawks/status/1886599728374407375?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The students have had enough

If that isu player had been 1/60th of a second faster that bucket counts lol

That was the play of the year

Harris and KJ spots are secure

Nice almost half court lob/dunk

:eek:

All 4 of Dickinson/Harris/Diggy/KJ had a great part of that

Harris & good FT's?

:eek:

Well, here comes the 2nd half! :bolt:

Uh oh

That was certainly a great half with an awesome highlight thrown in.

Much better than I expected. Alas my daughter had me up at 4am so I’m out and hope to see a win tomorrow morning

I knew when the students were chanting "we want flory" early on it was going to be hunter coming out before kj. No way is bill going to be shown up by the student section.

Harris with 2 more FT's?

Has he regained his stroke?

Hope so!

I hate KJ so god damn much

Kj being tended to

Looks like he may be fine