It costs so much to do it. It makes sense when you're going after a franchise QB, but at LT is so much more limited in what he can do for your team. I'll be pretty shocked if we make a deal to trade up this far for a LT. It wouldn't surprise me at all to trade up to get one, but up to #10 is something like our 1st pick this year, our second pick this year, and our first pick next year. Maybe more.

We could trade up to #16 this year with this year's first, this year's second, and next year's second. Maybe.

Like I said a week or two ago….I’m hoping for another McDuffie situation.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Xavier Worthy is known for his 4.21 forty time at the NFL Combine but don’t get it twisted. Worthy can run routes with nice hip rotation at the break point! <br><br>I love this rep! It also shows his toughness ayo fight for extra yardage. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLDraft2024?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLDraft2024</a> <a href="https://t.co/JhadeJZ3gW">pic.twitter.com/JhadeJZ3gW</a></p>&mdash; Full-Time Dame �� (@DP_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/DP_NFL/status/1781041785742975124?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hypothetically speaking here, if Worthy or Thomas Jr was there at 32 who do you take?

Thomas Jr.

Thomas Jr.

I like Worthy and think that he has better ability to run routes than his critics suggest. But Thomas Jr. is just so damn complete.

Worthy doesn't come down with the ball as often as you'd like in contested, difficult situations, which is why he's a 2nd round guy imo (not saying he wont go in the 1st, but i think he's 2nd round kinda guy)

Thomas Jr....i struggle to find any holes in his game. /Shrug.

Thomas Jr. is a CP draft forum wet dream. CPDF will let out a collective sigh heard across all of Chiefs Kingdom when he inevitably comes off the board.

Easily Thomas Jr.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Xavier Legette on the <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> would be a match made in heaven. Andy Reid covets versatility and Leggette played outside and in the slot at <a href="https://twitter.com/GamecockFB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GamecockFB</a> <br>Give Mahomes a guy who can turn a slant into a 60 yard TD and Xavier could be that anchor leg to help them run down a 3 peat. <a href="https://t.co/sk5Wk9ErRM">pic.twitter.com/sk5Wk9ErRM</a></p>&mdash; Robert Griffin III (@RGIII) <a href="https://twitter.com/RGIII/status/1781106997594673506?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I like him just not at 32 lol

But how many are left tackles is the thing. Plenty of projection but how much sure fire built for the left side guys? 3-4?

BTJ!

Love it!

There is a clear delineation in route running, including burst, crispness, and phasing to set up DBs between Thomas and the next tier of WRs, including Worthy. Not only that, he excels at deep tracking, effort without the ball, blocking, and so on. Speed is great, but the ability to use that speed also matters. We shouldn't forget that Thomas is a 4.33 player. That's fast at 210 pounds.

This is a really good video that I don't think has been shared showing some of Thomas' routes.

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Kid is never gonna see such soft coverage again in his life when he enters the league LMAO

I'll address this in the OT thread.

I don't know about that at all.

I don't think anyone is going to want to risk getting burned deep.

It's like with Tyreek-not very many teams would line up tight on him. Safer to play back with safety help and just try to contain him. Not very many teams play him like we did with Sneed.

It's also an Andy Reid staple to get guys free releases with motion.

No, if the pick is Worthy, because Reid sees Desean Jackson, he'll get plenty of room to run.

Tank Dell's rookie highlights are full of soft coverage like this.

You're absolutely clueless if you believe this.

This is just one Tank Dell game:

https://youtu.be/Z48G3IbOIpw?si=Sk3RPXuJRxh848ft

Look at all that press coverage!

Yeah - we've had this conversation a thousand times and it just doesn't get anywhere.

Everyone plays man every snap! Aggressive press man coverage all the time!

I mean I've had this exact conversation in that "our WRs suck" thread where everyone was saying that anyone that can't beat man 100% of the time isn't worthwhile. That's just not how the NFL works.

Defensive backfields flat out do not have the depth to do that. As good a shape as these guys are in, they CAN'T run man every down without being absolutely shredded by the 3rd quarter. You remember when teams were trying that against us when Mahomes was younger and we had them wearing friggen oxygen masks in the 2nd half?

Soft coverage is actually what these guys see more often than not. It's to prevent big plays (same people that say we have to have man beaters will also argue that the Cover 2 Shell is a panacea) and to simply keep their defensive backs alive.

If a guy does nothing but find holes in zones over and over again, he can be a 1,000 yard receiver. Ideally do you find guys that can do both? Sure - the 'gotta have it' plays still require that you have that guy on occasion. But it's the NFL draft - ideal is rarely a thing.

I'm all in on this guy. A couple of months ago I very intrigued. Then I migrated to the LT needs to be the pick. But I think I am back to this being my guy in round 1.

It would be interesting to know who the guy is that prompted Veech into saying we wanted to keep our 1st round pick this year at draft time last year. He had to know we would be picking around 30, so it surely wasn't someone he knew was going top 5.

The clip has the safety ignoring Worthy and the Corner backpedaling before the snap. I highly doubt that’s happening with how fast he is.

Btw Tank Dell is not the same player as Worthy. 4.49 Tank Dell isn’t blowing by people with ease on a go route

So there's even more reason to play off coverage and avoid getting beat deep against Worthy? That certainly helps your argument!

It was a stupid ****ing take, and now you're doubling down? LMAO

Worthy will not be seeing press coverage every snap dude. He will see plenty of off coverage just like that. I can't believe you're this ****ing clueless.

That’s not what was said bud

The implication was clearly that he's not going to see such soft coverage ever again because they will get in his face and bully him at the line, because he's so small.

Again, just watch Tank Dell's highlights. Even just that one game I posted showed plenty of soft coverages just like that.

I’m leaning toward tackle in round one and zeroing in on round two wide outs now.

Yep, just think of what Hunt told Veach after the Tampa Bay SB

He said a lot of things and I bet one was **** Tom Brady!

For me, it's BTJ in the first or a clear opportunity for us to move up in the 2nd for any one of a handful of guys. If BTJ makes it past IDK 16 we start making calls, if we can't get there take BPA and trade up for WR again in the 2nd.

Looking at late rounds I like: Anthony Gould, Jordan Whittington, and Jalen Coker.

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I also think it’s also important to note that the chiefs are dead set on not giving up yet on Toney and Sky Moore and they will continue to get more opportunities
Because of the frustration I think they could be easily replaced in later rounds.

Brown
Watson
Rice
Toney
Moore


Kelce
Gray
Irv Smith

Yeah, I actually think if we take a premium WR like BTJ we're set at WR and won't double dip.

BTJ
Brown
Rice
Watson
Toney - KR/PR
Moore

^Pretty well rounded, several nice deep speed options too.

Are there any realistic WR trade targets out there for us?

It's a great WR class so it's hard to see why we'd want to trade especially for an expensive vet, but I'm curious. Ayiuk is still disgruntled, but prob not a fit. I saw someone on youtube brig up Trey Burks, which is a unique suggestion but I think we can prob do better with the talent in the draft this year. He might be worth a mid round pick as a reclamation project, but if TEN calls us up I'd prefer Hopkins. Either of SEA WRs would be great on our roster, but prob only Locket fits our budget.

I feel Skyy Moore needs to make serious jumps and gains in his game this offseason to make the team.

I say that, but how long did they hold on to Gehrig Deiter? And for what?

He wasn't taking up a roster spot though, he was always on the PS.

For BTJ we will need to trade up with Seattle to make that happen. Jacksonville will surely take him @ pick 17 if we don't move up to 16. We would lose our 2nd round pick and also next years 3rd from the Titans for LS. KCCROW has made this clear and I believe that. Is it worth the draft capitol to get him? With Worthy and Troy Franklin still a possibility? ABSOLUTELY YES! I AM ALL IN on the BTJ Draft pick. :thumb:

Final WR Rankings:

1. MHJ
2. Nabers
3. Odunze
4. BTJ
5. Mitchell
6. Worthy
7. Franklin
8. McConkey
9. Pearsall
10. Coleman
11. Legette
12. R. Wilson
13. Burton (not factoring in character concerns)
14. Baker
15. Walker
16. Polk
17. McMillan
18. Corley
19. J. Wilson
20. Rice
21. Cowing
22. M. Washington
23. Thrash
24. McCaffrey
25. T. Washington

I just don’t see us moving up for WR when this draft is loaded.

I think it’ll be for OL if we do move up.

Solid list. The Burton thing is polarizing to me. I mean is he just a ****ing dick head? If so sign him up here, let him get it out and draft the kid.

A massive one.

WR class is what makes this draft so interesting. Starting at WR #5 there are so many differing play styles and opinions through WR #20.

It's a great list. Here is mine:
1. MHJ
2. Nabers
3. Odunze
GAP
4. Mitchell
5. Thomas
GAP
Guys with multirole tools:
6. Worthy
7. McConkey
8. Pearsall
9. Coleman
10. Legette
GAP
Guys who will be one outside role guys but good tools:
11. Franklin
12. Burton (character/coachability may take him off the board even for the Chiefs and probably should)
13. J. Wilson (could be a unicorn, would be about Vincent Jackson upside)
14. Baker
15. Polk
16. Walker
Slot /gadget guys:
17. McMillan
18. R. Wilson
19. Corley


Other guys I just love:
T. Washington
J. Coker
A. Smith

Guys I probably should revisit because I feel like I am not giving them enough credit:
M. Washington
J. Thrash
I. Williams

What pushed Mitchel over btj for you? I could see him being the better pro if things go right but I haven’t seen anyone rank him above btj.

BTJ went #26 in NFL.coms latest mock draft.

THAT's the trade up scenario we should be praying for!

I'd be willing to use next year's 2nd and change if that helps us get into the 19-25 range for him.

DJ is gonna smile with this one. His hands worry me but this is the type of high ceiling player the Chiefs look for.

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Praying all the QBs go and someone gets crazy for some other positions lol if jizz if we got BTJ in the late 20s

Mitchell has better hands and works man coverage better, imo. He more instinctively attacks leverage and exploits DBs. Like creating over commitment and then bursting to create separation. I also felt he had equal acceleration and better agility when he had the switch set to on, which means to me he has a higher capability than Thomas as a route runner. I guess I figure if you are going for all upside with either of these picks, you may as well go for the one with the higher upside.

The only real question I have relates to the plays he took off, why he doesn't play with more physicality, and why he plays so much slower against zone coverage. The answer to those questions will define how early he is taken, imo, because if you can fix it, he may be the best receiver in this class.

I did a thorough breakdown of him (thorough at least for me) earlier in this thread if you are interested - both strengths and weaknesses, with specific examples cited.

Well I hope you are right and the concerns off the field drop him to us.

Nightfyre, you definitely have your opinion which I respect. We're going to strongly disagree on Thomas and Mitchell being in the same stratosphere as route runners and that doesn't favor Mitchell. That isn't to say I don't think Mitchell is capable of it, I just think Thomas is much more complete.

Some history



https://i.imgur.com/eyCAXkw.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/0hpA6cD.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/a44lf0c.png

My heart says BTJ but my brain says Worthy.

Source is Sports Illustrated, not MLFootball!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Earl round players who have been medically flagged by some teams, according to <a href="https://twitter.com/SInow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SInow</a>: <br><br>- WR Malik Nabers, shoulder<br>- T Troy Fautanu, knee<br>- DE Laiatu Latu, neck<br>- WR Brian Thomas Jr., shoulder<br>- QB Michael Penix Jr., knee and shoulder<br>- WR Ladd McConkey, ankle and back <a href="https://t.co/cxZSRiycwX">pic.twitter.com/cxZSRiycwX</a></p>&mdash; MLFootball (@_MLFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1782453208767430828?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Can we start a rumor about BTJ not being able to brush his teeth with his dominant hand due to shoulder injury or something similar?

I would not think that a shoulder would be enough to drop BTJ but we can hope.

I hear you. I am also just going to leave this here. I hope Matt Harmon does something on BTJ soon, but basically I feel like Harmon's analysis lines up very well with my assessment. That's an NFL route tree with virtually zero schemed up, force fed production.

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BTJ made it to 23 in today's fan vote PFF mock draft.

They provided 3-4 options per pick and fans polled their preferences live during the show.

We took WR McConkey over WR Franklin, OT Morgan, and DL Robinson.

I think you just did. Nice work!
Now do Fautanu.

It's trending like wild fire on twitter already :evil:

I have Mitchell and Thomas Jr as roughly equal. To me it comes down to team preference. I do think Thomas Jr will be more ready for his role but I also don't think Mitchell is some long play project. Just might be an extra year for Mitchell to become dominant. I think he can be used and useful Year 1.

I think Mitchell can come in and have a Rice-esque first year, maybe a bit better...I think he's absolutely built, esp. in this offense, to come in and be a contributor day one.

I like Mitchell as a prospect more than Rice but he won't get the volume that Rashee got here.

Because Rice will also already be on roster for some games plus Hollywood.

Rice had everyone else at WR on the Chiefs puke at the same time last year.

Rice was slated to have a big role regardless. You could tell by how much work he was getting in the preseason.

Which is precisely why I am fine with waiting until R2 for WR.

We don't have a Rashee Rice at LT, let alone a Hollywood Brown. We're better situated at WR than OT by a pretty fair amount, IMO.

Tez Walker is definitely overlooked here. 18 TD’s last 2 years. Ideal WR size and speed. May be a long strider but he’s not MVS. Tez has done a lot of things for UNC. Screens, end arounds, a ton of deep vertical stuff and also a lot of intermediate plays for YAC.

To me he and Legette feel like picks the Chiefs would make in rd 2.

UNC is like Florida, WR graveyard for the NFL.

Still have Dyami Brown flashbacks when he was the last WR to come out of there that everyone was drooling over.

Chris Simms even put JAGami over Jaylen Waddle.

In all fairness, the same was said of Texas Tech before a certain QB recently was drafted from there.

I could see that. He's not "my guy" but I think that's a reasonable ceiling projection for him.

True, but the comparisons of Mahomes to Graham Harrell or Kliff Kingsbury were stupid. And it was more of a Air Raid guys can't play in the NFL criticism than Tech itself.


I haven't looked that into Tez Walker so someone will have to explain how he is light years better than JAGami Brown.

NC receivers have been overdrafted and disappointing recently.

Josh Downs had almost 800 yards last year as a good rookie WR from UNC and Tez is better than him

Tez Walker is going to get games where he is targeted 15 times?


If so sign me up.

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Nabers!

Hmmm... what's that Veach, 2nd round for WR? I could prob get on board with that.

I'm just not very high on Mitchell or McConkey, might be the only picks I'd be dissapointed with for a day before I became a raving fanatic.

I can see the Mitchell upside so I could swallow that pill. If he lives up to his upside with no plays off you've got a much better wide out than you should at 32 imo. But Mchonkey just doesn't do it for me. I think Pearsall is better or at least very much the same with more production. And no that's not my thoughts just because Keysor said it. I've been on the Pearsall hype train.

I'll become a fan 24 hours later ROFL

Basically any pick I'll have reservations but I'll be a fan. I cant even the amount of ego required to doubt Veach at this point.

This is the way. At this point, in veach I trust.

99% chance the lounge will be in melt down mode because it wont be whatever WR everyone wanted. It'll be a floor wr or a project tackle. AND PEOPLE WILL CRY.

Mahomes to McConkey, I think, would be a good pairing once Travis retires. He has a feel for the game.