No.

I think we sign a safety, draft two corners, and we probably throw another late round pick at a "DB" whose roll will be defined later.

personally, I would be looking to package our 3rd and 4th picks to move up in the draft. With the amount of compensatory picks handed out this year, that fourth round pick is essentially a 5th. I like how Veach wheels and deals, though. Keeps the day two rounds interesting.

The market for corners just isn’t there in FA. The draft has maybe 2 top end corners that won’t be anywhere near our pick.

I’m thinking Veach is going to be talking in Indy this week. See what a trade would look like for a Patrick Peterson or Xavier Rhodes

They're going to need to find a solid CB in the draft. They need more than 1.

I'd think you could get Rhodes for like a 3rd.

If you could do that and sign or draft another, you'd be pretty solid.

They're gonna need safeties coming out the wazoo though.

Yep.

I get the idea that we need more quality back there but we also need decent quantity too. So you're going to have to do a little hunting for both.

They're gonna have to have some unknowns contribute.

Watts, Lucas, etc

They can't go buy or draft everything. Really would be nice to have like, a 4th rounder really take off back there.

I like the corners in this draft in terms of complimentary #2 players.

I like this scenario

-Cut Houston (bc this is probably what’s happening)
-sign a safety in FA (I like Honey Badger) and have that contract have a low first year cap hit.
-trade for Rhodes/Peterson
-draft a pass rusher and corner with your early picks

Yep. I said as much earlier this morning. If the 2019 defense is going to take big steps forward, the 2018 draft class is going to have to be a big part of it.

Yeah Veach needs to draft one or two corners plus trade for a veteran CB or sign a FA to a one-year deal like we often see.

There's no way you go into next season just with Fuller, Ward and two rookies. This would be a terrible gamble.

Yep. And they have a similar situation at safety, honestly.

I would just love if Veach could pull out trading 2020 picks for Peterson.


He has two years left on his contract, probably about two years left of playing in his prime and the Chiefs have a clear window to win the SB the next two years.

At safety, they could just sign a good FA safety and be OK. I'm hoping they can do more than that but you pair let's say Collins or Amos with Watts and Lucas/Murray as backups and it could be decent.

Yeah, they don't have the number problem they do at CB but moreso because you need more CBs than S. Veach has his work cut out for him. The entire secondary needs rebuilt.

Yip.

I can definitely see where it is possible if not probable that we will see that happen.

Speaks had a better 1st year than Ford did in his 2cd. Not saying Speaks could be the pass rusher that Ford can be, but Speaks will be better against the run.
Nnadi appears to have his spot at the NT/DT spot locked down. If he continues to improve he will an impact. He just can't be jumping offsides. IIRC he had a little problem with that last season or he would have played more earlier.
DOD showed some good flashes last season in limited time. If he is the starting WLB like most expect he could/should definitely part a big part.
If Lucas or Watts stay healthy they showed enough to believe that they would be an improvement over last season.

Lucas is a Free Agent

RFA.

RFA that can be on the team for cheap.

Peterson is approaching 30 and AZ is in full rebuild mode. If Arizona really wants two firsts for him then damn them to hell.

Hope that franchise is a dumpster fire for the next 30 years.

I bet you could get Rhodes for a 3rd or a 2nd for Peterson

Hell why not get both then?

$$

I was joking lol

As long as it’s not Landon Collins I’m fine

I would try harder to get Ramsey. It won’t happen but theoretically he’s a blue chipper and those are hard to get, especially drafting late where the chiefs will be

What do you have against Collins? I think he would be a great fit.

I agree, Collins would be the most perfect FA signing or trade guy I would want for this D. Build from there...

He actually hates me I think. He likes to shit on my dreams.

He’s best In the box and around the line of scrimmage

Good player but wouldn’t pay what he will get

Most certainly do not

You busy today?

Yeah. Busy. Then went to hand dr. this afternoon.

You?

Drill and fill

Same old same old

How’s the hand?

I’ve got to be missing something here.

Xavier Rhodes has cap hits of

13.3
12.9
14.1

The next 3 seasons and has dead money (that Minnesota would payin cap dollars, not KC) of 7.2m

Meaning his cap hits to KC would only be his roster bonuses and base salaries.

2019: 6.2m
2020: 8.1m
2021: 11.75m

Getting him that kind of money is DEFINETELY worth a 2nd or maybe even a first rounder.

Absolutely, think about that secondary

Worse. Mri Friday.

Damn that sucks

Check his age and injury history recently

3rd rounder

So we pay peanuts for ages 29, 30 and 31 and he’s missed 4 games total in the last 5 years.

I don’t see the draft falling favourably for the Chiefs in regards to obtaining an elite corner. I’m convinced they will attempt to trade for one as the FA options are poor. Rhodes makes a lot of sense and the $ is reasonable. I do think the Chiefs have to pony up both their 2nd rounders though....

Ramsey is a longshot and would cost the farm and Peterson wants to stay in Arizona.

I would do this in a heart beat for a 3rd and next years 6th or whatever. Get Rhodes, Fuller in the slot, and trade up for a corner to be your #1. You only really need to get near the top 20 to get one of Murphy or Greedy I imagine.

Find a way to get Savage in the later rounds and roll with him, Watts, and some cheap FA vet like Quinn.

That entire secondary goes from trash to elite in a season.

Trade a 2nd for Patrick Peterson-$11.8 million in 2019
Sign Honey Badger in FA-low first year cap hit

That’s absolutely doable. Even enough for another FA signing with a low first year cap hit.

I don't think Pete is going anywhere. He already apologized about the trade rumors and went as far as to recruit Alford to Arizona. That doesn't sound like the kind of thing a guy on his way out would do.

I really don't know why folks are ignoring Charverious Ward? The kid is 22 and imo was more than good enough in the four games he played. His speed, height, length and all round game make for a very decent prospect moving forward I think and I'd be surprised If any of the cb's we pick in this years draft started over him tbh.

This is a SB run year. We need a vet DB that's good. We also need better than Dan at safety.

Ward indeed played good for the last stretch.

I'd be happy that he wins a starting spot going into next season but if he is anything else than the #4 CB to start training camp, you are gambling big time.

This is a SB run year. We need a vet DB that's good. We also need better than Dan at safety.

Someone help refresh my memory, who do we have to play the 2 defensive tackles positions in the 4-3? Nnadi and Williams? Don’t we need a lot of depth behind them or is someone changing positions?

I would assume it’d be mainly Jones and Nnadi, with Jones flipping to end in some situations.

Williams rotates in.

Yep.

This guy is trash AF and many of us knew it LMAO

Talk to me in the second half of the year and then again as we go into the playoffs.

A guy liking the hire of Scott Frost has no room to evaluate coaching talent.

Stick to your shitty baseball our DC set a ****ing record for points given up as the DC in New Orelnas.

What's your drink count at so far today?

0 but this game might make me reconsider

Defense settling in.

You know, in game 2 of the season.

10 points, not bad. Ward having a decent game too.

This board is littered with dipshits....wow

Meanwhile, on Overreaction Planet....

Improvement. That's what we want to see game to game. I think they're clearly trending upwards.

Typical Billay. He bumps this thread when the defense gets off to a rough start, but disappears when the defense actually had a good game and only gave up 10 points.

Dipshits like Lew were losing their shit!

On the contrary, Frosty.

Stick to baseball bruh you know nada about football

I knew SOMEONE was gonna' hate on Spags prematurely, but I'm disappointed that it was you.

Good call boys

It's only 5 games so we'll see. Saunders probably should get more reps than William's who's played like shit and is a penalty machine. Jones isnt disciplined as we know still is a force inside. Problem is idk how much of an upgrade Niemann is over Hitchens. Maybe play a 4-2-5 with Lee and Wilson as the backers and Sorenson as that third box safety. Hes much better at that then in coverage.

Look it is only 5 games, but I'll be damned if some of the stuff I was worried about isn't playing out exactly how I thought it would.

People killed me when I said I didn't think we had the personel to run a 4-3. And based on our D-Lines performance I'd say I was right.

4 down votes............

They don't have the personnel to run any defense because that GM guy is a shitty talent evaluator.

Possibly,

If we still had Poe I'd feel alot better about our 4-3. But I honestly believe our Line Backers are our biggest concern right now.

Poe isn't even good anymore.

Veach has literally replaced every player on defense except Chris Jones and we aren't better.

We started a new scheme with 7 new starters. As many know it takes time to implement a new defense and unfortunately we have 7 guys playing together for the first time. Any offense or defense are good when they perform as a unit and have time together.

The leaders of this defense are mostly new here too.

Need to also consider that the talent level is nowhere near where it needs to be. We’ve got holes at DT, LB and corner.

Spags was never gonna have this shit hope turned around quickly.

But that's the point......off the ball 4-3 LB's aren't supposed to be hard to find yet here we are with a terrible unit that has a guy paid like a star.

And we aren't getting roasted because they don't play together, our DTs suck balls, Jones takes himself out of plays and Nnadi is getting pushed all over the field, he looks to have taken a step back.

This is ****ing reeruned. You’ve been spouting stupid shit for days.

When you hear Veach talking about acquiring guys like Tyrann and Frank it’s obvious that they were the guys Spags wanted.

Just like with Reid on offense, Veach works with Spags with this stuff. You act like he’s going out and getting whoever he wants without their input. If the personnel is still that much of an issue, it’s not just Veach that needs blame.

That is the point. You can hire the best driver in the world but if you give him a Honda Accord he isn’t going to win races.

The DT’s outside of Nnandi are garbage. They absolutely suck holding the LOS on run plays. We need young corners, we need a couple LB’s.

This defense was so depleted of talent that it was impossible to remake it in one offseason.

I get that Frank Clark has not been good, but Tanoh, D. Wilson, Honey Badger, Ogbah and Thornhill have all been either good or slowly getting better.

I think we can develop guys, but we don’t have the horses. I mean for Christ sake, why is Xavier Williams here? He is terrible.

Getting a legit run stuffing DT to pair with Nnandi would make a big difference. I really want them to trade for someone.

Geno Atkins.

Williams is gonna miss like 6 weeks so you won't have to watch him.

We need multiple fatties up front on both sides of the ball, definitely. That shouod be priority #1 for Veach.