And yet I would be willing to say you would have a difficult time finding any MU fan on this board crying. When trolls like you, PB, and Hypocritson/Bambi say stupid shit and get corrected...that is not crying.

KU ended the rivalry. It was their choice, and their is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is that some KU fans continually lying on this board saying MU is not willing to play. MU has an open invitation to play KU anytime, anywhere.

If fans like you would just admit that KU made a choice and move on, nothing more would be say....but say yall can't let it go, you will be corrected every time you post you false bullshit.

Two practical football Final 4 s in the last decade trumps anything done in peach baskets

Did you go to the 2012 Border War replay on campus last night? How was the crowd?

You seem MUCH more interested in it than anyone here, per usual.

Even his own fan base has the consensus that he contributes nothing to the conversation, the life of a troll must be a lonely one.

Do you mu fans really believe the crap you say? The day MU tried to get into the Big Ten and failed was when mu made the choice to end the rivalry. There is absolutely nothing to gain from playing mu. I swear to god there can't be a dumber fan base in the nation then you guys.

ROFL have u read the posts you and the two reeruns spew?

Fact is no one gives a shit about a crappy sport like college hoops till they have office pools on the line

The day Norfolk st happened was when you guys started saying that. Kind of funny how that happens.

Yeah just like the tourney is suddenly a "crap shoot" after No. Iowa, Bucknell, and Bradley

Besides northern Iowa those weren't very good ku teams, also you do know the players that lost against bucknell and Bradley ended up winning a national championship.

Marcus Smart......

WTF is he thinking? The guy probably said something pretty bad given Smart's reaction to turn back to the guy, but you have to be smarter than that. His draft stock is cratering, his team is falling apart, and he's a big part of it.

Somehow these ESPN idiots are acting like he was provoked by something that was said by a fan. Doesn't matter what was said, you can't go into the stands. Period.

Marcus not smart.

Well.. there are a few words that uhhmmm would be crossing the line. Smart should have just gotten the hell out of there.

That's all I'm saying. There are idiot fans in every arena, you can't react to it as it only hurts you in the end.

As a KU fan I'd love to play MU. A win every other year in football and a near 2 to 1 winning advantage in basketball? Sign me up.

Too bad MU ended the series.

Rough year for the Pokes. First the Sooners jack their Big 12 title and now this.

Perhaps you guys should focus on winning more than one conference game a year before you worry about stepping up to play a solid SEC team like Missouri.

As much as you guys like to point out the vast difference between your basketball program and ours, there's every bit as much of a gap now between the football programs.

At this point, KU would be fortunate to stay competitive for one quarter.

KU plays 9 conference games a year.

MU plays in a division and gets to avoid Alabama, Auburn and LSU in a single year.

We all know our limits.

But 50 50 split dude.

That might be a valid point if you could win more than 1 conference game a year.

I would have paid money to have mizzou's 2013 schedule. Talk about soft...

The difference is Mizzou "avoids" playing those teams because they're in the SEC East and the SEC sets the schedule.

KU avoids playing MU because they're butthurt and cowards. Plain and simple.

Yeah, KU would have just rolled right through Georgia, South Carolina, Ole Miss and Texas A&M.

Weis is definitely building a powerhouse there. Props to your coach. :thumb:

Accordng to your butt buddy Prison Bitchs Sagarin scale, Kansas had the 28th SOS while MU had the 24th. Soft indeed.

Time for hypocrite, to find something else to troll...ass handed to him again

KU still would have lost all those games, and gotten their asses handed to them in most.

It's been so rewarding watching Mizzouchebags explain how conference scheduling works. Back in 2007, they didn't understand it apparently. But now they do. It's great theatre watching the 180-degree change in logic.

Shiny. Red. Ball.


Divert, divert, divert . . . .

Since cold hard facts usually shut you imaginary birds up until you move on to the next inaccuracy, let's review some indisputable numbers:

Kansas SOS 2007: 74
Mizzou SOS 2007: 25
Mizzou SOS 2013: 24

In case you can't add, Mizzou's SOS this year was 50 spots higher than your "magical" year.

Kansas opponents in 2007
Central Michigan: 8-6 with a 86 SOS
SE Louisiana: 3-8 with a 151 SOS
Toledo: 5-7 with a 100 SOS
Florida International: 1-11 with a 66 SOS ***REAL impressive non-con there***
Kansas State: 5-7 with a 38 SOS and 3-5 in Big 12 play
Baylor: 3-9 with a 39 SOS and 0-8 in Big 12 play
Colorado: 6-7 with a 14 SOS and 4-4 in Big 12 play
Texas A&M: 7-6 with a 26 SOS and 4-4 in Big 12 play
Nebraska: 5-7 with a 4 SOS and 2-6 in Big 12 play
Oklahoma St: 7-6 with a 18 SOS and 4-4 in Big 12 play
Iowa St: 3-9 with a 20 SOS and 2-6 in Big 12 play
Missouri: 12-2 with a 25 SOS and 7-1 in Big 12 play
Virginia Tech: 11-3 with a 36 SOS

So as a recap you beat 4 teams with a winning record in 2007 (Cen Mich, A&M, Ok St, V Tech). The three teams you DID NOT play in conference this year were Texas (10-3/5-3) Oklahoma (11-3/6-2) and Texas Tech (9-4/4-4). There is your evidence. The 3 teams you played from the South were far and away the 3 worst teams that year. Nobody you played from the north and beat finished the year above .500. There is ZERO combinations of scheduling that could have resulted in an easier path.

Missouri oppenents in 2013
Murray St: 6-6 with a 126 SOS
Toledo: 7-5 with a 77 SOS
@Indiana: 5-7 with a 36 SOS
Arkansas St: 8-5 with a 110 SOS ****also not a murderer's row, but definitely better...also played one on the road while all 4 KU were home***
Vanderbilt: 9-4 with a 50 SOS and 4-4 in SEC
Georgia: 8-5 with a 8 SOS and 5-3 in SEC
Florida: 4-8 with a 19 SOS and 3-5 in SEC
South Carolina: 11-2 with a 6 SOS and 6-2 in SEC
Tennessee: 5-7 with a 10 SOS and 2-6 in SEC
Kentucky: 2-10 with a 14 SOS and 0-8 in SEC
Ole Miss: 8-5 with a 9 SOS and 3-5 in SEC
Texas A&M: 9-4 with a 26 SOS and 4-4 in SEC
Auburn: 12-2 with a 13 SOS and 7-1 in SEC
Oklahoma St: 10-3 with a 22 SOS and 7-2 in Big 12

Mizzou beat 7 teams that finished the year with a winning record. The teams they did NOT play in the SEC were Alabama (11-2/7-1) Arkansas (3-9/0-8) LSU (10-3/5-3) and Miss St (7-6/3-5). We played the 1,4,5,6 teams out of 7 in the SEC West. We missed the 2,3 and 7th teams.

So for a recap, so we can put your argument to bed as the crap it really is:

KU's dream season saw them go 11-1 and finish the year ranked #7 (Mizzou ranked #4 that year) in the country. They beat one ranked team, Virginia Tech and lost to the only ranked team they played in conference play, Mizzou. They had an absolutely pathetic non-con schedule where they never left the comfort of their home. They missed the 1,2,3 teams in the South, instead playing against the absolute easiest possible combinations of teams. All of this equaled a 74th ranked strength of schedule. And after this "perfect storm" of a season, things return to normal on campus and you're now back to setting other records, only this time they involve losing 20 something consecutive conference games and barely even having what you could call an actual football team.

Mizzou finishes 2013 with ANOTHER top 5 ranking in the country. They were AGAIN one win away from playing in the national championship. Our SOS was 24 this year, compared to 74 for KU in 2007. We played a tougher non-con, had a much more difficult conference schedule against better opponents. We beat multiple ranked opponents and played in a conference who's overall SOS easily trumps that of the Big 12 in 2007.

We beat you AND finished with a higher ranking in your golden year, all while playing a more difficult schedule. We did even better this year.

Please help me out and explain any other way to interpret all of these actual FACTS....

I don't think anyone has ever disputed that MU was the "better team" in 2007. Kansas was the better team the next year in 2008.

KU was awarded the Orange Bowl because they are a bigger draw nationally. No one here has ever changed on that position.

From mu fans for the last 5 years all I've heard is "you didn't have to play Texas, OU, etc etc"

Not one person on the MU side has ever brought up the same "dream scenario" happened for them this year.

Unfortunately on the biggest stage it was a whitewash for Auburn which showed what would have happened this season if they would have had to play Auburn, LSU and Alabama.

It keeps Pinkel there for another decade which I know MU fans are thrilled about.

Mizzou was 4th in the BCS computers and Kansas was 5th so I can see why they felt they should have been selected. It's too bad for them that Illinois got into a BCS Bowl when they didn't. They were hoping a conference change would get them better protection when bowl selections were made, but unfortunately they ended up in the exact same place: picking Cotton.

KU bought the orange bowl after Mizzou refused to commit to ticket purchases

LMAO

I'd argue that NEITHER team was all that good in 2008, even though you're deflecting because no one ever discusses that year in this thread or just in general.

But to show you again:

2007 Mizzou 12-2 with the 25 ranked SOS ***finished year #4 in country
2008 Mizzou 10-4 with the 45 ranked SOS ***finished year #19 in country

2007 Kansas 11-1 with the 74 ranked SOS ***finished year #7 in country
2008 Kansas 8-5 with the 39 ranked SOS ***finished year....UNRANKED

Which part of 74<24 is so difficult for you to understand? Arguing against facts laid out in front of you is cute.

I don't really care about 2007. I'm talking about this year. I would have loved for KU to avoid the football flagships this year like MU did.

However that's impossible being that in the Big 12 there is no dodging. The way the game is supposed to be played.

Mizzou fans spend more time worrying about going Cotton in 2007 than 2013. It's really weird. They promised the SEC wouldn't treat them like "Big Bevo" did but look now.

LMAO They keep getting their ass handed to them with legitimate facts and they keep defecting and trying something else until they eventually go back to the same statement thus repeating the cycle again and again.

All I see from those facts is KU won the BCS Orange bowl and MU got skipped, then MU plays an easy 2013 schedule has a good season and gets skipped in the BCS bowl invites again.

Bevo didn't treat Mizzou like anything. I don't think UT even noticed Mizzou was in the conference. Sure hasn't hurt us since they left. Only more $$ now.

repeating the cycle…again and again

Mizzou did have a great season in 2013 going into the bowl games. Unfortunately, Auburn and Alabama had a little bit better one. Which is why those two got the BCS conference invites and Mizzou got left out. You can make a legitimate argument for those two deserving a BCS spot over Mizzou.

In 2007, Kansas got picked over Mizzou because your AD guaranteed ticket sales. Nothing more. NO argument can be made that Kansas was MORE deserving of a BCS bowl bid, period. That's the difference.

Mizzou got what they deserved this year, they did not in 2007. That's what sticks in the craw of Mizzou fans.

Easy. Yes. Sure. Call it that. You're lying to yourself, though.

Mizzou played an easy schedule that was the 24th toughest in college football this year.

KU played a _________ schedule that was the 74th toughest in college football in 2007.

Fill in the blank.

Kansas had one loss. They beat Virginia Tech with exciting play and impressive athletes.

Missouri just didn't provide the same entertainment value. The Orange Bowl got exactly what they wanted.

Also, if you're not playing in the national championship game, I don't see a giant difference in the next 5-7 top bowls. I just don't. If you don't win the last game played every year, what does it matter?

The BCS is some corporate creation with little meaning. Can you tell me who won the Orange Bowl the year after you did? Or the Sugar Bowl in 2010? Not without looking it up. Personally, I call a season a success if you're in the running to make the biggest game of the year. Mizzou made it to the play in game twice in the last 5 years...I don't see how that can be considered anything but a success.

I understand the only thing in the history of your football program you have to hang your hat on is a freak circumstance Orange Bowl. If you knew anything about the actual sport though you'd know that in comparison of prestige and history, there's really little separating the Sugar, Orange, Cotton, and Rose.

Everyone outside of the SEC knows its overrated. Its Alabama, LSU, Auburn and nobody else. The media driven by ESPN keeps teams in the SEC rated high so that the conference will look better. The SEC is by far the most top heavy conference in the NCAA.

Except for the Cotton picks teams just from the SEC and Big 12

Congratulations, you are officially in the Legion of 'tard with the other two.

This is just stupid too. Care for some more facts??

The Cotton Bowl pits the SEC against the Big 12 on a yearly basis.

In the last 11 years, the SEC is 10-1 against the big 12. The lone year the SEC did not win this matchup? Mizzou putting a beatdown on Arkansas in 2008.

Outside of that, how would you explain the overall bowl records of conferences the past 10 years? I won't look it up but I can guarantee you the gap b/w the SEC and second place is quite large. And just so you know, they send more than 4 teams to bowls every year.

Why does this list of teams that makes the SEC "top heavy" change every year?

Missouri is ready and willing. You're a fan and an alum (I'm assuming), so write the powers-that-be in Lawrence telling them to stop being pussies and bring the Border War showdowns back to life.

First of all, you can't use the V-Tech game in your argument since we're discussing pre bowl placement. That's moving the goalposts.

And you're right about the Orange Bowl getting what they wanted; your sleezy A.D. took care of that.

That still doesn't change the fact, though, that Mizzou was more deserving of that BCS spot. It is what it is.

Magino will finish on Charlie's face this fall

KU fans will be waiting for basketball to start ROFL

Your fans are terrible at traveling everyone knows this. All the freaking Shreveport bowl games that are within driving distance of campus and you guys can't even fill up half the stadium. KU fans travel really well, this is why we got the bid for the orange bowl.

No, Lew Perkins bought the Orange Bowl for Kansas, because Lew was an underhanded double dealing ****. This is pretty well known. "Missouri fans don't travel well". I love it when Kansas fans try to throw that turd against a wall. How did Arrowhead look when we were going head to head there, anyway?

Out of curiosity, who do you think was your best win in 2007? What signature game got you that Orange Bowl bid? Surely you can tell me about a couple good wins you had that season...

Lol. Talking about Shreveport being within driving distance for Mizzou fans; just out of curiousity, would you consider Arrowhead Stadium "driving distance" for the Kansas program??

Because we ALL saw how well KU fans filled up the stadium for those games.


Dingleberry is an appropriate name for you; because you're hanging on this thread just about as well as one . . . .

Putting up 70 plus against Nebraska, going into Manhattan and beating them.

Thanks for confirming that you're a trolling genious.

In the past 15 years, the SEC has won 9 titles. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Florida and Tennessee have all claimed the ultimate crown.

Yup, totally just Alabama, LSU and Auburn. And that school that has won as many titles as the Big 12 (all schools combined) in that timeframe (Florida). And Tennessee.

What was your big win, Kansas? The biggest win in the history of your school, fact. I wonder when the next on-campus screening will be.

Duh. How could I have not counted those two as good wins?

Nebraska was 5-7 that year...including a pathetic 2-6 in conference play LMAO

Kansas State was a little better though! They were 5-7 also...but the were 3-5 in the Big 12.

Try again idiot.

Again, you appear to be MUCH more interested in the screening of that game than anyone else here.

But not as interested as the dorks who actually went.

In 2007, Kansas was probably our biggest win. Mostly bc of your inflated ranking. We also went on the road to Ole Miss in the non-con, spanked a ranked Texas Tech and beat an Illinois team that went on to play in a "vaunted" BCS game which you think carries more meaning than it actually does.

It was the biggest win in the history of Mizzou sports.

Says who...you?

This is just shit **** bad trolling, even for you.

Says anyone with a brain. Name a bigger one.

1961 Orange Bowl
1967 Sugar Bowl
2010 vs. No. 1 Oklahoma
2003 vs. Nebraska

Michael Sam comes out as gay...that took some guts

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/02/10..._r=0&referrer=

Not much of a secret in COMO, but to publicly come out...definitely some guts.

That's funny. If you actually read the first paragraph, it says "remains of the richest and most satisfying treats in the annals of Mizzou football"

No one is denying it was a great win. It was. Just like it would have been for KU had they won. But to act like its the greatest win in the history of the program? The win 3 years later against Oklahoma was a much more program defining win. They were #1, a national power, and the reigning 'big dog' on the block.

Kansas, when it comes to football, has never been nor ever will be any of those things . . . . .

Just more reason as to why that game should NEVER have been cancelled. So what if we're in different conferences now. Let's just be honest about it - KU was HAPPY to see Missouri leave. They were through getting embarrassed by their oldest rivals, and want nothing more to do with rematches, the candy asses.

Not to mention BEFORE the NFL Draft.

Seriously, imagine Arrowhead these past two years if that game still exists... Easily an 80% black and gold crowd and thumping for the hawks...all just an hour away from their campus too.

No, that can't be . . . . . I've heard KU travels well.

Ask Dingleberry.

That's what it was the last two years anyways.