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It's not. The same mistakes he made with the Jets, he made with the Chiefs. He's just an awful HC. He's had 3 years to fix a defense. He came in here, much like Gunther, talking a big game about playing defense. "His" defense was 32nd in the NFL. There is just no logical argument to say that Herm deserves another chance. He didn't "deserve" his first head coaching job, and he doesn't deserve to spend one more year sinking this franchise. Not only will it be great when the new GM is hired because they aren't Carl, it will also be great because Herm's lame ass is finally gone and we can really move forward. |
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Also, Clark has backed off the fact that he's the final word with Herm. Herm is a dead man walking. He better start networking at the game he's never watched - the Super Bowl. |
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The only way Herm stays is if the new GM wants to have a top 5 pick again next year.
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EDit: without THAT front four, he MIGHT be more inclined to blitz. |
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This ****er's more than twice as long as the Carl resigns thread. :shake:
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(This opinion may change after combine performances.) |
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He's a gimmick QB. You're basically going to be starting all over anyway because the next OC isn't going to run the pistol. |
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Did you watch the games? His accuracy from 15 yards and out was god awful. He has athletic ability. Talent? That's very questionable. |
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They have 62 million invested Bulger |
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By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff | January 11, 2009 Discussions between the Kansas City Chiefs and Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli have intensified, according to an NFL source. Although negotiations had not begun as of early last night, word out of Kansas City was that the possibility of a marriage was picking up momentum. Even before he interviewed last Monday, Pioli was presumed to be the Chiefs' top choice to run their football operation. That hasn't changed since Kansas City chairman Clark Hunt conducted a thorough, close-to-the-vest search that has included multiple candidates. Hunt, interim president Denny Thum, and Pioli have increased their dialogue and think they could form a strong partnership, which is crucial, because regardless of whom the Chiefs hire, that person will have to work closely with Thum. As part of the search for a general manager, Hunt has stated that he plans to split the job, with Thum handling business matters and the new hire focusing mostly on the football side. Although it has been suggested that Pioli, 43, might be seeking total control and thus wouldn't be comfortable with such an arrangement, the increased intensity of talks indicate that might not be the case. Hunt has decided to split the job after former general manager Carl Peterson, who was with the club for 20 years, held both titles. In dividing the job, Hunt has said he wants a general manager who would be a "fresh set of eyes" and "shrewd evaluator of talent." Pioli, a two-time Sporting News Executive of the Year Award winner, would qualify. While Pioli and the Chiefs moved closer, Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has emerged as a top candidate to become the Denver Broncos head coach, according to Adam Schefter of the NFL Network. McDaniels had a second interview with the Broncos last Thursday. |
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The funny thing is when the Chiefs start to turn things around, Shortjeep Johnny will be here saying, "I told you so. Chalk those victories up to the coaching of Herm and Gunther along with the astute personel moves by Carl. You don't turn around a team in just a few years; they laid the foundation--the new regime is simply the lucky benefactors of the true workhorses--and if we had stuck with Thigpen, the turnaround would of happened much sooner. Just look at his stats compared to Ryan and Flacco."
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http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2...iot_column.txt
Patriots must do everything in their power to hold on to Pioli Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:41 AM EST By Jim Donaldson, The Providence Journal On New Year’s Day, New England Patriots fans — already suffering from the hangover of their team being out of the playoffs for the first time since the 2002 season — awoke to media reportss that Scott Pioli, Pats vice president of player personnel, would decide before the end of the day whether to take over as top football executive for the Cleveland Browns. It’s now more than a week later, and Pats fans still are holding their breath while Pioli decides whether to go to the Browns (highly unlikely), or (possibly) to the Kansas City Chiefs — with whom he interviewed earlier this week, or remain in New England. While with the Patriots his personnel acquisitions over nine seasons have enabled the team to acquire three Super Bowl rings, win four AFC championships, record a perfect 16-0 regular season in 2007, and compile regular-season winning streaks of 18 games (2003-04) and 21 games (2006-08). Let me say that I don’t know what Pioli’s going to do. Pioli himself has yet to decide what he was going to do, or at least hasn’t announced his decision. But I certainly know what I would do if I were the Patriots. Or the Browns. Or the Chiefs. I’d do whatever it took to have Pioli on my payroll. From the Patriots’ standpoint, the reasons to retain him are obvious. He and head coach Bill Belichick work exceptionally well together and the results of their combined efforts approach the incredible — eight straight winning seasons, in seven of which the Pats have won at least 10 games. The Patriots won a franchise-record, five straight AFC titles from 2003 through 2007, and six in seven years. Over the last six years, New England’s regular-season record is a dazzling, 77-19. Like Green Bay in the ’60s, the Steelers in the ’70s, the 49ers in the ’80s, and the Cowboys in the ’90s, the Patriots are the dominant team of this decade, and Pioli has played a major role in the franchise’s success. Pioli and his staff of scouts have done a first-rate job of identifying talented prospects that fit into the Patriots’ system and organization. He’s also done a first-rate job of enabling the Pats to continue to retain the players necessary for success under the trying conditions of the NFL salary cap. Pioli is, quite simply, the best in the business, as the Patriots’ record attests. Which is why, if I were owner Robert Kraft, I’d do everything possible to keep him. And it’s also why, if I were Randy Lerner in Cleveland, or Carl Hunt in Kansas City, I’d do everything I could to lure Pioli away from New England. From Pioli’s standpoint, there’s never been any indication that he’s unhappy here. His achievements have been recognized both publicly — he’s been NFL Executive of the Year three times (2003, 2004, 2007) — and contractually. Still, the challenge of being in complete control of a franchise, with a paycheck commensurate with that responsibility, has to be tempting — more so in Kansas City than Cleveland. You have to think that, if Pioli wanted the Browns job, he’d have taken it by now. The Browns announced the hiring of former Jets coach Eric Mangini Thursday and reportedly will be interviewing Eagles general manager Tom Heckert and Ravens pro personnel director George Kokinis for the GM post. Mangini’s hiring increases the chances that former Browns coach Romeo Crennel will remain in Cleveland as defensive coordinator, and is yet another indication that Pioli won’t be joining them. The connections between Pioli and Mangini extend beyond their years together in New England. Mangini is the brother-in-law of Cleveland Indians general manager Mark Shapiro, who is one of Pioli’s best friends, dating back to when Belichick was coaching the Browns and hired Pioli as a pro personnel assistant. But Pioli was reported to favor Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz as Crennel’s replacement — perhaps a reflection of a rift with Mangini in the wake of his leaving New England for New York, which drew Belichick’s ire, and the Spygate controversy, which Mangini triggered. It also has been reported that Mangini favors Kokinis for the GM job in Cleveland. Those aren’t the only reasons that Kansas City appears to be a much better situation for Pioli. The Hunt family, which has owned the franchise since its inception in the old American Football League, traditionally has been patient with its coaches and top executives — too patient, many Chiefs followers would say, with Carl Peterson, who resigned as GM last month after 20 years on the job. Long a top franchise — Kansas City played in two of the first four Super Bowls, and made the playoffs six times from 1991-97 — the Chiefs have fallen on hard times, finishing 2-14 this season after going 4-12 last year with Herm Edwards as coach. Presumably, the owners would have no problem giving Pioli complete control of football operations, including allowing him to bring in a new coach. The Chiefs also have considerable cap room, enabling Pioli to sign talented players, which could spark a quick turnaround. In any case, the Chiefs have nowhere to go but up. We’ll soon see if Pioli wants to go to Kansas City. If you’re a Patriots fan, you should be hoping he stays. |
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I'm not sure why that article has the date it does. It came out Thursday.
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Tennessee has a great defense and their front four generates a ton of pressure. Also, player development is huge in my book, and Schwartz has turned KVB and Cortland Finnegan into Pro Bowlers, Haynesworth into the best DT in the league, and has great depth throughout that unit. |
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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...osition=recent
Quick hits: Scott Pioli, Jeff Jagodzinski, Matt Cassel... <!--//Byline box//--> By John Tomase / Quick hits | Sunday, January 11, 2009 <!--//Byline box end//--><!--//article Image//--><!--//article Image//--><!--//article//-->* There has been speculation that Patriots personnel czar Scott Pioli deserves a “Bill Parcells” type deal with another team that would give him total control of the football operations and the ability to hire both a coach and general manager. Pioli is more than welcome to seek such a deal. The question is why any team would give it to him. It took Parcells almost three decades before the Dolphins provided his current arrangement as vice president of football operations. In those three decades, Parcells took the Giants and Patriots to the Super Bowl and rebuilt the Jets and Cowboys. Those four teams had his indelible stamp, and no one would question he was the architect of their success. The same cannot be said of Pioli. While he has clearly played an integral role in the Patriots’ three Super Bowls, these are Bill Belichick’s teams, not his. When the Patriots pulled off the Randy Moss trade two years ago, the negotiations began with Pioli and a Raiders executive and ended with Belichick and Al Davis. Pioli has proven that he can work in concert with the greatest coach of this generation to field a consistent winner, and for that he deserves credit. But he hasn’t proven beyond a shadow of a doubt he can do it on his own. He also has never had final decision-making responsibilities, and his next job will be the one where he proves he can make the final call. This is not to say he can’t do it -- if the success of Thomas Dimitroff in Atlanta is any indication, Pioli should be fine. While the Browns and Chiefs were completely justified in making him their No. 1 general manager candidate, giving him any more power than that is unnecessary. Parcells didn’t cut any corners along the way. Why should his son-in-law? * With the Patriots failing to reach the playoffs and the Colts bounced in the first round, it was a tough couple of weeks for the old guard in the AFC. The Pats and Colts have been the standard bearers in the conference for nearly a decade. While other teams have come and gone -- even the Steelers had a 6-10 season just five years ago -- the Pats and Colts have kept on truckin’ with largely the same cast, led by coaches Belichick and Tony Dungy and quarterbacks Tom Brady [stats] and Peyton Manning. But the times are changing. Dungy is reportedly leaning toward stepping down after last weekend’s loss to the Chargers, while no one knows what kind of player Brady will be following reconstructive knee surgery. Patriots fans hate to give the Colts their due, but Indy deserves respect for maintaining a level of excellence just a notch below the Pats’. * What exactly is Boston College’s motivation in the Jeff Jagodzinski saga? A school that prides itself on producing upwardly mobile graduates tries to deny one of its employees the right to explore bettering himself? Yeah, it stinks that the coach of two years viewed BC as a way station. That’s life in the not-quite-big city. Good luck now to the Eagles luring another high-profile coach to The Heights. * With the Patriots reportedly set to franchise Matt Cassel, the assumption has been he won’t leave unless they trade him. But there’s a chance, however remote, that Cassel could sign with another team, which would then give the Pats two first-round picks as compensation. With teams trending away from surrendering high draft picks for players (a fourth-rounder for a certain Hall of Fame wideout springs to mind), that haul seems particularly steep for Cassel. But if there’s a team out there that might consider it, it’s the Vikings. Minnesota got bounced in the playoffs because the Eagles exposed Tavaris Jackson. With the league’s best running back (Adrian Peterson), a legitimate deep threat (Bernard Berrian) and an outstanding defense, the Vikes have all the other pieces in place. All they’re missing is a quarterback. If they believe Cassel is that guy, they may deem two first-rounders a worthy price to pay. |
Pioli, KC starting to bond
By Mike Reiss Globe Staff / January 11, 2009 * Email| * Print| * Single Page| * Yahoo! Buzz| * ShareThis Text size – + Discussions between the Kansas City Chiefs and Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli have intensified, according to an NFL source. Although negotiations had not begun as of early last night, word out of Kansas City was that the possibility of a marriage was picking up momentum. Discuss COMMENTS (1) Even before he interviewed last Monday, Pioli was presumed to be the Chiefs' top choice to run their football operation. That hasn't changed since Kansas City chairman Clark Hunt conducted a thorough, close-to-the-vest search that has included multiple candidates. Hunt, interim president Denny Thum, and Pioli have increased their dialogue and think they could form a strong partnership, which is crucial, because regardless of whom the Chiefs hire, that person will have to work closely with Thum. As part of the search for a general manager, Hunt has stated that he plans to split the job, with Thum handling business matters and the new hire focusing mostly on the football side. Although it has been suggested that Pioli, 43, might be seeking total control and thus wouldn't be comfortable with such an arrangement, the increased intensity of talks indicate that might not be the case. Hunt has decided to split the job after former general manager Carl Peterson, who was with the club for 20 years, held both titles. In dividing the job, Hunt has said he wants a general manager who would be a "fresh set of eyes" and "shrewd evaluator of talent." Pioli, a two-time Sporting News Executive of the Year Award winner, would qualify. While Pioli and the Chiefs moved closer, Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has emerged as a top candidate to become the Denver Broncos head coach, according to Adam Schefter of the NFL Network. McDaniels had a second interview with the Broncos last Thursday http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...rting_to_bond/ |
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http://www.newsday.com/sports/footba...4140365.column
Bob Glauber January 11, 2009 Memo to Woody: Stay home next time! Everyone's entitled to a vacation, but when you're an NFL owner and you've just fired your head coach, it's not the time. Woody Johnson high-tailed it out of the country after firing Eric Mangini and wasn't around for the team's first round of interviews. There also was speculation that his vacation short-circuited any chance to hire Bill Cowher. Then again, if Cowher couldn't have waited a few more days to talk about a job that would have paid him a gazillion dollars, I don't think the former Steelers coach's heart was in it anyway. That said, it was in Johnson's best interests to stick around. After all, look at Broncos owner Pat Bowlen's itinerary since he fired Mike Shanahan: He flew to New York to interview Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, flew to Providence to interview Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and returned to Denver to talk to Bucs defensive coordinator Raheem Morris, Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett, Broncos offensive coordinator Rick Dennison, Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier, and Dolphins secondary coach Todd Bowles. Bowlen also hasn't ruled out Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops Herm's time almost up The Chiefs are still looking for a new general manager - Scott Pioli, anyone? But regardless of who is hired, it doesn't look good for coach Herman Edwards. Even outgoing president and general manager Carl Peterson, who brought Edwards to the Chiefs three years ago, doesn't sound optimistic. Peterson said the situation reminds him of 1988, the year he took over as the Chiefs' general manager. Frank Gansz was the coach at the time, and one of Peterson's first moves was to fire Gansz and his staff. "I feel for Herm and his staff," Peterson told reporters. "You know, we had a plan, we put it in progress, a lot of things happened that were not good. But at the end of the day, you have to win football games. It's not my decision anymore, and I'm pleased that it's not." Quarterback upgrade for Vikings? The Vikings clearly are in need of an upgrade at quarterback, as underscored by Tarvaris Jackson's woeful performance in a playoff loss to the Eagles last week. Coach Brad Childress appears willing to at least consider the possibility. While not outright dismissing the idea of giving up on Jackson, he's at least warming to the idea that another quarterback might be needed for a team that has a quality defense and an elite running game. Veteran Gus Frerotte, who thought he should have been reinserted into the lineup after recovering from a back injury, isn't anxious to return to the team unless he's guaranteed the starter's job. Getting defensive in Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy gutted his defensive staff in the wake of a 6-10 season in which the Packers vastly underachieved on defense. The two leading candidates to replace defensive coordinator Bob Sanders: Mike Nolan, the former 49ers coach and Giants defensive coordinator, and Gregg Williams, the Jaguars' defensive coordinator. Another chip off Buddy Ryan's block? Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier is getting a look-see for some head-coaching vacancies - particularly in Detroit and Denver. And if he does get a job, it would be the third player from the vaunted 1985 Bears to get one. The defense was coached by Buddy Ryan, who eventually got head-coaching jobs in Philadelphia and Arizona. Two of Ryan's players - Jeff Fisher with the Titans and Mike Singletary with the 49ers - are head coaches. Frazier, a starting cornerback with the Super Bowl champs, could be next. One too many concussions for Romanowski? And now, ladies and gentlemen, the most absurd coaching development of the week: Former Broncos linebacker Bill Romanowski, who hasn't spent one second as an NFL assistant coach - or any other kind of coach, for that matter - wants to become the Broncos' head coach. He even sent team owner Pat Bowlen a PowerPoint presentation outlining his credentials and ideas for getting the Broncos back on track after the Mike Shanahan era. Romo, who had a history of concussions and a series of altercations with opponents and teammates alike, called himself "the best person in the country for the job." Right. McDaniels on coaching radar Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels is getting lots of face time in the head-coaching search currently under way. The baby-faced McDaniels, 32, already has drawn interest from the Broncos, Rams and Browns, who wound up hiring Eric Mangini. If he doesn't get a job in this go-round, it probably is only a matter of time before he gets to run his own show. McDaniels did a bang-up job getting journeyman Matt Cassel up to speed in the Patriots' offense. Filling in for the injured Tom Brady, Cassel overcame some early-season jitters and led the Patriots to an 11-5 record. It wasn't good enough to make the playoffs in the ultra-competitive AFC, but it was good enough to get McDaniels on the radar for an eventual head-coaching job. Maybe sooner rather than later. |
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Insert Cartman laughing at midget here: Heh heh....heh heh..heh-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Make it happen! ROFL |
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All other candidates have been called to say "we're not looking at YOU anymore". I think we've got him locked down.PBJ |
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The truth is that Scott Pioli is now in negotiations with Clark Hunt to buy the team so that he can have full organizational control. |
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this had fallen off the front page. can't let that happen :)
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http://thepatriotact/2009/01/patriot...aniels-finding
January 11, 2009 Patriots in demand: Pioli and McDaniels finding opportunities Scott Pioli will probably be announced as the Kansas City Chiefs new general manager next week. While Josh McDaniels may be interviewing for the head coaching job with the Denver Broncos and with Pioli in KC maybe the next head coach of the Chiefs. Both Pioli and McDaniels have been sought after for positions with other NFL teams in the past. What makes this interesting is the recent success of going to the AFC Championship in 2006, Super Bowl in 2007 and now having finished 11-5 and missing the playoffs for 2008 for the Patriots. The decision for McDaniels may be a 'no-brainer' as it was for Eric Mangini - go and get the big bucks with what knowledge you have or wait until either this horse (Belichick) has had its run and step into his shoes or there is a teams with a great front office organization that needs a coach. That is definitely not Oakland or Detroit. KC with Pioli in place becomes one of the top ten football organizations and McDaniels if offered the job would be a fool not to accept it knowing the capabilities of Pioli. The Patriots have not been rebuilding, but constantly tweeking. Belichick and Pioli have worked wonders since coming to Foxboro and who is to say the magic is gone? It may just be Pioli letting us know the writing is on the wall. After a decade of hits with the Patriots and a chance for a few more titles with a healthy Tom Brady, when Pioli goes to Kansas City is that a sign that Brady may not be on track to come back as expected? Who knows. But I do know Pioli helped select Matt Cassel, Matt Gutierrez and Kevin O'Connell and the Patriots success in 2008 had nothing to do with Tom Brady and more to do with an otherwise healthy offense mainly put together by Pioli. Still, Pioli has much more work to do with the Patriots. The past few years there has been little improvement on the defensive side of the ball. The 2008 draft for bringing in youth on the defensive side of the ball was a change from previous years and the number of undrafted defensive free agents that remained with the team was also quite high. Was this a change brought on by Pioli or Belichick? Either way it worked. Another season of defensive injuries (yes Rosey Colvin and Junior Seau did return), but the rookies performed fairly well and we should expect them to continue to improve over the next few years. I would hope that Pioli stays, sure there is always the unknown challenge out there and prospect to make more money, but New England has enough challenges and opportunities to keep Pioli around a bit longer. When Belichick is gone from football, Pioli will still be in the NFL. So patience may be a virtue here, so hanging on to Pioli is a priority for the Pats. |
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Make it happen, Clark. Make it happen.
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some serious inside info
Okay gang, as many of you know I still have friends at the highest level in the Chiefs organization and have this info to share with full confidence: Scott Pioli is the new GM. His announcement will come Thursday or Friday at the latest. Clark and Scott are working out the finer points of his contract tonight (money & control), but the deal is sealed. Also, Clark informed Herm Edwards and his coaching staff that they will be released. All assistants can reapply through Scott. I only share this information because I'm no longer with the team and it's fun to share that a new day is dawning at Arrowhead. Scott Pioli will quickly move to clean out the front office and hire a new coach. The only info I have on the new coach is it will not be Kirk Ferentz from the Iowa Hawkeyes. Kirk coaches his son at Iowa and does not want to leave until his son graduates. Mike Shanahan has contacted Pioli, but I don't know any info beyond that. |
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That aside, it is interesting to hear that negotiations had not actually begun until last night. All the other snippets of 'news' have said how he has signed, will sign, or will never sign with the Chiefs. This makes me think that this article has a little bit more realistic take on the matter since it seems more apparent that he has not actually signed yet, seeing as that would be damn near impossible to keep secret this day and age. |
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