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SCHEFTER- Crennel to Chiefs Imminent (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=221244)

Hamas keeps proving that he may indeed be the biggest ass pipe on this board. Congratulations.

I can't fathom why more people don't wade into football discussions...

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6437311)

How many starting QBs who have won SBs have switched teams in their prime years?

That's a horrible ****ing comparison, not to mention reductive, and you should know that, given how awesome you are.

How many head coaches have won SB's with two different teams????????

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 6437312)

So is Crennel signed like the first post says? Sorry in advance, but I have been busy and out of the loop for a bit.

no ... he hasn't signed yet but rumors are leaking out all over the place so it appears that he is headed our way.

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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 6437315)

Hamas keeps proving that he may indeed be the biggest ass pipe on this board. Congratulations.

I can't fathom why more people don't wade into football discussions...

FTW

A complete ass clown to the Nth degree.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6437254)

You seem to think that Haley is putting together this team.

In regards to Weis I believe that is the case.

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6437324)

no ... he hasn't signed yet but rumors are leaking out all over the place so it appears that he is headed our way.

:thumb: Thanks!

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6437283)

Well guess what, Chiefs fans.

Tom Brady isn't walking through that door. Bill Belichick is not walking through that door and Richard Seymour isn't walking through that door.

If Seymour did walk through the door, all we would hear about is continually how Pioli doesn't have an original thought.

I really don't know why this is an issue. Patriots fans were pining for Romeo and Weis. I think, as I said in another thread, that BB's genius is vastly overstated and the guys he worked with deserve some of the success as well. He hasn't won without either of the guys we now have. Chalk it up to coincidence, dumb luck, whatever you want. But it says a lot to me that Pat fans wanted them back when everyone outside of Patriot Nation says it was all Belichick.

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6437321)

How many head coaches have won SB's with two different teams????????

This doesn't help you.

Again, you can't re-create the wheel. I know you want to reduce my argument down, because it's the only way you can get your peanut brain around it, but it's more complicated than that.

How much success did Vermeil have when he tried to turn KC into West St. Louis?

How much success did Parcells have when he turned Dallas or the Jets into the Giants redux?

How much success did Johnson have when he hired his old coaches and buddies from Dallas in Miami?

The answer is little to none.

Why? Again, because you can't re-invent the wheel.

I used this analogy last week, and I'll use it again. Pioli thinks that he can reform the Beatles in Arrowhead, but he's missing out on John and Paul.

People think that we're going to be the Patriots just because we hired some old Pats coaches, brought in some washouts, and their VP of Pro Personnel.

It doesn't work that way.

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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 6437315)

I can't fathom why more people don't wade into football discussions...

:clap:

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6437283)

First of all because it's not applicable.

Coughlin has been to one SB as a head coach. He flamed out spectacularly in Jacksonville.

Second of all, that's a horrible comparision.

Let me go grab a box of crayons so I can draw it out for you.

Tom Coughlin=Parcells guy, but flexible. Will play QBs drafted high, high priced vets or guys off the street. More importantly, he gives his coordiinators carte blanche. He doesn't stick to the 3-4 b/c it was ordained by the almighty Parcells.

What is Pioli doing?

Well, he's going with the same defense (that doesn't fit the talent) that he had in NE. He's going with the same offense that he had in NE. He's going with the same coordinators he had in NE. And he's picking up the same scrubs cast off from New England.

The NFL is a living entity. It changes, evolves, and adapts. The arrogance of Pioli comes from not how he is rarely interviewed or that he locks down the facility, it's from the fact that he thinks he's found a panacea that can some how stop the evolution of the game, and that by simply assembling the same pieces that existed somewhere else he can achieve the same success he had in the past.

That's a flawed strategy on two fronts:

1) History shows that it doesn't work
2) You can never exactly re-create any situation.

And yet in spite of all this, in spite of all our scouts supposedly attending every pre-season game, in spite of the fact that we have the most talent-bereft roster in the league, what do we do?

1) Freeze out all our scouts but one douchetard who was fired from NE
2) Sign no people after PS cuts save for one Pats scrub
3) Sign guys off the street who almost universally have ties to the tree in which he sprouted from. (Of course the one success was from a guy w/o connections...shocking)

Well guess what, Chiefs fans.

Tom Brady isn't walking through that door. Bill Belichick is not walking through that door and Richard Seymour isn't walking through that door.

First, Richard Seymore MAY walk through that door. Doubt it, but possibly.

Now, on to the bigger point. Coaches are hired based on familiarity and compatability. Due to this, guys usually hire other guys they have worked with.

They can't duplicate the situation in New England. I get that. But, they can establish a program. This team is still in need of so much. And, you have to get to a level of competency, before you can hope to go further than that. Coaches and rosters are similar in that they can be tweaked every offseason. Right now, the Chiefs are still trying to get the foundation laid.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6437337)

Are you really saying that Parcells had little to no success with the Jets? You continue to be a fool.

Does anyone else get the feeling that if the Chiefs won a SB that Hamas and Mecca would leave?

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6437347)

Are you really saying that Parcells had little to no success with the Jets? You continue to be a fool.

I guess your idea of "success" is different from others.

One playoff win over 3 years isn't my hope for the Chiefs, nor should it be for anyone.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6437347)

Are you really saying that Parcells had little to no success with the Jets? You continue to be a fool.

In the end it's the end all argument. If you didn't win it all you didn't have any success. Never mind that Parcells is one of a handful of coaches to coache two different teams to the SB. Seems the that was left out of the argument.

PhilFree:arrow:

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6437337)

The new coaches don't guarantee anything, but they also don't preclude the Chiefs from success. It is moronic to argue that merely because they were former Pats, the Chiefs won't be successful.

Anyone would consider these two among the best and most accomplished coordinators available.

Oh, and as far as the switch to the 3-4.... other than Dorsey, who isn't expendable? Seriously. Who were you worried about losing? If Allen were still here and they went to a 3-4, I would have been upset. But, Dorsey is the only guy that I was worried about, and he actually played pretty well.