I read that as he's going to be Tomlins problem in Pitt.

I love that scenario.

I think Reid and Mahomes can keep him on the up-and-up. Worth a 3rd.

Worth a move-up in the 4th, honestly.

Wow.

That's actually pretty fascinating. "He's a shitheel because he's got the sugars..."

I mean - that does kinda make some sense? And it might help explain why I think he's been a bit of a disappointment at Texas despite traits that really do jump off the screen to me.

But I think Buffalo probably takes him and it's Franklin that we're likely to get a shot at. And to me that would be...okay.

I admittedly don't know a ton about Diabetus except what I learned from an old cowboy on a medical commercial. But isn't it pretty manageable especially with training staff help in 2024?

Yeah.

But aunts and balls and bicycles and what not.

I can't recall too many prospects of late as universally regarded as a shit-head as Burton seems to be. I mean Pickens was close and look how that's going.

That's my understanding, yes. Which gets to the scouts point - CAN be managed doesn't mean IS being managed. If he's being an idiot about it (and many MANY people around that age are idiots about that sort of thing; wife works in pediatrics and says teenagers oftentimes refuse to follow their treatments to prove they're in charge...because kids are stupid) then what can be done isn't terribly relevant if it isn't being done.

And as the first guy said - is that just a maturity thing? Could be. Just an interesting thing to think about.

Noah Gray is a Type 1 diabetic, I believe.

Edit: confirmed

I don't remember any specifics about Pickens just that there was off field concerns. Burtons built a resume out of transfers. I think Pickens was even a better prospect but was coming off the ACL so its hard to compare when projecting the slide.

Absolutely. Pickens as a pure talent was an incredible prospect and I'd have him ahead of Odunze in this class.

And I still wish we had him. The talent's that loud. And good luck showing up Patrick ****ing Mahomes - that guy will eat your soul. I think it would've worked here far better than it's worked in Pittsburgh (and it hasn't gone THAT poorly in Pittsburgh).

But the headache is real. So the talent damn sure better be. Pickens was a top 15 talent but a guy with a reputation as being a pain in the ass. Burton is a top 50 talent and a similar reputation. If you're the 45th best prospect, is the juice still worth the squeeze?

Well that's the million dollar question, innit?

I'd have to think there's a chance he's there at the end of the 3rd then. And I think that's worth the squeeze. There's a chance with he issues and depth of the class teams aren't that interested.

I'm fairly confident the only WR's that have first round grades are the top 4 guys.

That's not to say teams aren't going to draft other players at the end of the first, but I think teams don't have first round grades on the other players.

I also think there is probably zero consensus on the second and third round WRs. Each player is so vastly different. Keon Coleman for example is #22 at 33rd team, #43 for Jeremiah, #59 for Edholm.

If you listened to scouts talk about Troy Franklin you’d think he was a day 3 pick. Yikes (I’m way higher on him btw)

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He seems like a classic Andy Reid pick from the past although it seems like since Andy’s gotten older he doesn’t want to deal with character guys as much which probably explains taking Skyy over Pickens. Rashee Rice was mostly clean minus a few questions about his friends (we all saw what happened there).

But yeah if he’s there in rd 3 I say get him. Burning a 3rd on a talent like him wouldn’t be a major loss if it didn’t work out. Worth the risk.

Completely disagree with the ball tracking part, so much so that it leads me to think this scout is either clueless or lying.

I've seen Johnny Wilson graded as an early 2nd rounder at times. I think some really god-awful mock had us taking him at 32 a few weeks back.

The WR class past the first 4 is a complete toss-up, IMO. Like I've said before, it's why I'm not typically a huge fan of WR in the first round. I'm almost certainly going to be fine waiting until 64 (or more likely, trading up to about 50) and getting what's left.

Mitchell is the only guy I see who isn't a consensus first rounder that I think might be a 'first round grade' type of prospect. He's the monkey in the wrench when I do mock draft stuff. Would I be fine taking him at 32 and then hoping Kinglsey or Paul falls to the mid/late 2nd? Do I like Morgan/Walker more than Mitchell/Kingsley at the same general level of required draft capital?

Shit man, I dunno.

And when that happens, I just kinda fall back to "**** it - just race the track and not the drivers. Play your board and let everyone else do what they do..."

The closer it gets, if a guy like Newton, Kool-Aid, etc. falls I would be tempted just to take them instead.

From Bob McGinn’s article citing scouts on the WR’s:

I think that’s about the way I see it going minus Coleman. I think Worthy is WR5 and his speed will be the selling point. Buffalo is the betting favorite for Worthy and I think that makes a ton of sense after they watched Tyreek give them frustrations in KC and Miami as well as Waddle. I think they want a deep threat field stretcher that they currently don’t have on the roster.

It’s WR6 for us and there’s varying opinions on who that is. Mitchell? McConkey? Franklin?

I'm just ready to throw some heavy capital at the offense, that's all.

And no, I'm not down for Kool-Aid in the first. I don't think he's THAT good a prospect and I think we get too much value from DBs in the middle rounds. This isn't a McDuffie situation where a top 10-12 prospect slipped into the 20s. It's maybe a situation where a top 20ish prospect slips to 30.

That's a different creature for me. That's a borderline '1st round grade' guy at CB vs. a legit blue-chip guy in McDuffie.

I don't think Kook-Aid is a true 1st round grade like McDuffie was. Just saying if he's sitting there at 32, there's a solid chance that he's better than the OTs and WRs available.

Newton on the other hand is a top 20 player with a 1st round grade easily. I probably shouldn't have put Kool-Aid in the same category, just a couple guys at other positions of need that might be BPA.

With Newton, I probably give into that temptation, whereas with Kool-Aid, I probably don't

Yeah, I'm probably with you there. Newton would be hard to pass on.

If you have a legit 1st round grade on him, I think it would be a disservice not to.

I usually don't read too much into what Andy says, but when talking about OT/WR in the 1st, he said when you're picking 32nd you have to just take what the board gives you.

Obviously they could trade up and all this becomes moot, but I think it would be silly to pass up on Newton for WR6 or OT7.

If diabetes writes off the low effort plays i'm in af on Mitchell at 32. But if that's just a pure effort deal its kind of rough. Watching every snap makes him a head scratcher for me. There's plays where he's 50% running, you think okay that pass is going elsewhere, then he gets the ball and some times still just doesn't look like he's trying to turn it on with the ball in his hands. Then other times he looks like he could borderline compete with the top tier. He's the hardest one for me.

I saw somebsky mention that this was sometimes an issue for Worthy as well, so they thought it was probably a Texas thing. If the coaches don't allow it, it won't happen kind of deal

Worthy to Buffalo is one of my draft nightmares...

I'm not that excited about McConkey in the first, but I thought this was interesting:

Ladd McConkey is one of my favorite players in this class and I do not care that he's under 6-0 and doesn't even weigh 190 lbs. He's an elite separator at all three levels and he plays every bit as fast as his 4.39 40.

He's a first-round talent for me all day long and Lord help the rest of the AFC if the Chiefs take him at No. 32.


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...hael-penix-jr/

No way they take Worthy. With Shakir and Samuel as their top 2 WRs, that's a team that desperately needs size now.

I watched every snap of Worthy, I think Modsocks posted it a few weeks ago in this thread, and came away more impressed over all with him. He had a few plays off but not as many and not to the extreme Mitchell does. I know Nick Jacobs loves to bitch about WR's to don't block, and I personally don't really care as long as they try, but Mitchells effort there was piss poor on the every snap from 2023. And it seems Reids big on that. But **** those highlights are good lol. It's like perfect 10 but shes got Ben Solaks voice and Josh Allens lifeless glass doll eyes.

I think they're a sneaky spot for Coleman or Legette if BTjr doesn't fall into their laps...

I think Mitchell is most likely.

Are you doing this trade for, I assume, Bowers?

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No way in hell would Veach and Reid do that for a TE.

The only logical options are Odunze, Alt, or Fautanu in my opinion.

Man, Odunze would be nice.

I just can’t see the Chiefs paying that type of price unless it’s for Alt.

I think it’s a no-brainer if he is inexplicably still available.

But that’s an awful lot of ammo to spend on one player when your team is pretty complete. It’s a desperate move and they’re not desperate.

With all the reports of negative issues surrounding WRs who may be available to KC at 32 I'm beginning to think Ladd makes a lot of sense. He's not a #1, he's not flashy but he feels the safest (highest floor) of the group and doesn't have any baggage. My only concern is he's missed some time with injuries but most all have. I'd be fine with Ladd at 32.

If we stay put, then...

Troy Franklin, ORG, 6-3, 185, 4.41
Xavier Worthy, TX, 6-1, 175, 4.22
Adonai Mitchell, TX, 6-4, 195, 4.5
Ricky Pearsall FLA,

Ricky Pearsall

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I think being a complete team is more of the time to make bold moves than when you aren't a complete team. We're not 10 pieces away from being an impact team. We are the impact team that needs a piece or two that would set the long-term up nicely.

Exactly...

I'd do that trade for Nabers or Odunze...no way in hell I'm giving up that much for ANY LT including Alt...an elite weapon though? Absolutely.

We just showed we don't need elite weapons everywhere. But if you could go up and get Alt?

Yeah, do that. He's the perfect LT for what we do here.

I'm super high on Pearsall I'd rather just take him in the second than Ladd in R1. Really he's probably a round 3 guy. McKonkey just doesn't do it for me.

The guys you're gonna be taking at 32 are gonna be 2nd round type WRs for the most part. Just is what it is.

And that’s completely fine, we’re in the best spot possible. We’re not a player or two away from a Super Bowl. We’re not that desperate team that needs to give up the farm to move up for a player.

Troy Franklin or Pearsall would be good at 32

If I'm gonna sit at 32 and take a WR....I'd go more swing for it and take Leggette I think.
the overall upside is just higher with his physical ability.

I think if Jalen McMillan is there in rd 3 we get him, even by a small trade up., even if we got one in the first rd. The value is just too damn good

That's why I just don't think I'd go WR in the first if the big guys are gone.

I can get McMillan or Polk or whoever in round2 trading up.

Just take BPA at 32.

I’m starting to get the feeling we get a trade up for a receiver.

I actually believe they are comfortable with Wanya.. but still foresee signing a stopgap like Smith for him to continue to develop.

Veach has seen how hard it is to move up a few picks, and will have to be aggressive. If it will really is down to guys like Polk you might as well trade out and wait.

Depends on how the board falls. If Adonai Mitchell is there like in Bruglers mock then you gladly take him. If BTJ and Mitchell are gone then I think you trust your WR board for rd 2 bc at that point you’re clearly there.

I think Veach wants to move up for his guy, which will likely be a WR

I don't think they move up for a WR. LT maybe.

Andys usually respectful and such in interviews and I really didn't get that vibe when he was asked about Wanya earlier in the week. It was like he knows what he's got to do to put in the work, he's in Texas and he needs more urgency. That's about as close to he sucked it up in his opportunity as Andy will ever get.

We just showed that we don't need an elite LT either...I can play that game too.

We gotta stop with this dumb discourse about the WRs and offense as a whole...last year didn't prove anything or show that it's ok.

We won that Super Bowl because the defense bailed out an anemic offense time and time and time again and they did *just enough* when the time mattered.

I'm done neglecting the weapons and expecting Pat to work miracles and make chicken salad out of chicken shit time and time again.

How do we feel about the Adonai Mitchell diabetes reports? I understand it shouldn't be a huge game changer with today's technology and ability to monitor blood sugars accurately and consistently (Noah Gray has diabetes also- wasn't aware).

The reports of Adonai not taking a mature approach to his diabetes is somewhat alarming though no?

So is Veach. Thus the signing of Hollywood Brown.

Also if BTJ and Mitchell are off the board the Chiefs may view the next 7-10 WR’s as the same value as 2nd rd talents and elect to take one in the 2nd rd while taking something else in the first.

Draft is really deep the position. It wouldn’t surprise anyone if they took WR in rd 2 again

I think it's the classic case of a team wanting him to slide down the board so they float this out there in hopes that'll work...

I mean you literally hear nothing about it until the week before the draft...I'm just saying lol.

I get the idea, but the risk if you're wrong about that player when you're giving up two years of 1sts plus a 2nd round pick to do it is so much higher.

You take that shot, you better be perfectly right and get a perennial Pro Bowl talent, because you're sacrificing a lot of depth to do it.

They just won back to back Sb's doing it.

The first year had one of the best offenses in history, they lost JJSS and had a rough year of drops and miscommunications and wacky shit.

I'd guess they're banking on a regression to the mean there.

It's just me but I don't see it as this incredible risk because you''d still have several mid to late round picks this year and next and Veach has shown he's really, really good at finding quality players in those rounds...

And I get the whole point about needing to be right but if we're all being honest...if the Chiefs got Nabers or Odunze, does anyone really believe either wouldn't be anything short of a superstar here?

They can't get from 32 to the top 10 to get one of those guys feasible. So we're all mentally jerking off here.

But taking a WR at 32 probably leads to getting a lesser player at a different position in the 2nd vs taking the better prospect at (insert position) then taking a WR in the 2nd.

I don't think most people are talking about spending two 1's and a 2 to go get anyone. If that's the case, you're correct in that you better be getting a stud.

I'm teetering between they want to write off his shitty low effort play with it or its the reason he slides. I expected a little more to come out and pull the curtain back on what the narrative was supposed to be but I haven't seen anything else yet.

I've run a lot of mocks, but mostly with just one simulator, and one thing that I've found pretty consistently is that if we don't get an OT with our first pick, our next picks won't be positioned well for taking one unless we trade up or down. Has anyone else run into this problem?

But you quoted me/responded to me reacting to the idea of going up to 9, which WOULD take that.

I don't think that's likely at all. I could see them being so bold as to move their 2025 1st or 2024 2nd to make sure they get a WR or OT they think is legit, but the type of capital to get higher than the mid-to-late-teens is just so high it seems way too risky for a team in KC's position.

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Elite, agreed. However we learned in the Tampa Bay SB you need competence at least and we still had Tyreek.

Pretty Rickey is BACK BOYS!!!!

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Do we consider the new patriots the same in that breath? And I cant think of any character guys the Jags took that panned out. Do they mean Ridley? Also kind of sad I thought this was a tweet about Ricky Pearsall lol I ****ing love him.

He’s saying Chiefs take LT

I have got to fix my Ovaltine decoder ring, I didn't pick up on that at all.

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I highly doubt a team picking at 32 is just saying "we'll take the best LT available".

If Rickey is on top of it, and they are truly dead set on a LT in the 1st, they must be preparing to go up and get their guy.

Is there a Mahomes like trade on the horizon?

If you believe Rickey, you'd almost have to believe they have something brewing.

32 to 10 is just gonna.....shit it's gonna be expensive.

I don't think they necessarily have to go all the way up to 10, but top 20ish for sure. It really puts the pressure to nail the pick, but if they do, a franchise LT on a rookie deal is definitely worth it.

Seattle at 16 like crows mock?

My initial thought on the draft after signing Brown was that a trade up for a surefire LT would be the plan, if Veach has a guy in mind.

I then got caught up in the sexy WR options, but as next week nears I've come back around to that thinking. That 5-year investment makes a lot of sense, especially when Mahomes proved last year that all he needs at WR is guys who don't drop the ball. Those guys can be had off the street or in mid-late rounds, as boring as that might be.

You likely aren't finding a franchise LT outside of the top 15 picks.

Well said.

Well let's give it a look - I suspect you have 'top 10' comprises most of them. Before I do the homework I'll say top 10 is roughly 1/2 of your top tier tackles, another 25% in the next 22 picks, the remaining 25% everywhere else. We'll use PFF because it's an easy list.

Sewell: 7th overall
Williams: 4th overall
Mailata: 7th Round
Tyron Smith: 9th overall
Wirfs: 13th overall
Braden Smith: 2nd Round
Darrisaw: 23rd overall
Raimann: 3rd round
Decker: 16th overall
Morgan Moses: 3rd Round
Trent Brown: 7th Round
Kolton Miller: 15th Overall
Lane Johnson: 4th overall
Rob Havenstein: 2nd Round
Zach Tom: 4th Round
Terron Armstead: 3rd Round
Rashawn Slater: 13th Overall
Andrew Thomas: 4th Overall
Garett Bolles: 20th Overall
Kaleb McGary: 31st Overall
Laremy Tunsil: 13th Overall
Dion Dawkins: 2nd Round
Taylor Moton: 2nd Round
Brian O'neill: 2nd Round
Ryan Ramczyk: 32nd overall
Luke Goedeke: 2nd Round
Spencer Brown: 3rd Round
Ronnie Stanley: 6th Overall
Orlando Brown: 3rd Round
Cam Robinson: 2nd Round

Towards the bottom of that list I added some guys (and subtracted some) to address off seasons or out of the ordinary good ones. Guys like Cross and Ekwonu are early in their careers but I don't think either trend as 'franchise LTs right now. So I think that's a reasonably representative list. The top 10 was actually pretty sparse (only 4 of them) so I moved it to top 16 - the front half of the round.

Top 16: 11
17 - 32: 4
Everyone else: 14

The list isn't truly horrifying. Ramczyk and McGary are quite good. And guys like Dawkins, Moton, O'Neill, Goedeke and Brown out of the 2nd would all be fantastic assets for us as cheap, above average starting tackles.

I think we can get a guy that's good enough at the position from 32. But we have to identify/coach them up better than most. And we probably have to be a little patient. Obviously the hit rate is far higher at the top, but that's to be expected at essentially any position. There do appear to be a fair number of pretty good starting OTs that come from the back of the 1st and beyond.

This tackle class is the best one in a long time to it makes sense.

The Athletic show was talking about tackles and one guy they said could fall to about 20 is Fataunu. Most expect Alt, Fashanu, Latham and Fuaga to go before him but he’s athletic as hell and started at LT ever year at Washington.

Only major con is he’s 6’4” which to me isn’t really a big negative