"The law allows me to murder someone, there are just penalties for it if I do"


Seems counterintuitive no?

Missing preseason games and training camp seems closer to stealing a grape at the grocery store than murder.

The law doesn’t allow you to murder someone.

It’s written in his contract that he can do these things. It’s called stipulations.

Similarly, the Chiefs could’ve cut CJ last year if he did something they didn’t like — there would just would’ve been a large dead cap hit as a penalty.

I am inclined to believe that the chiefs wouldn't have balked at like 27 million aav. They didn't blink at guaranteeing him and paying top dollar three years ago. I bet the guarantee structure and real dollars of the deal in the final year is the point of contention, and that Jones' camp is treating it like an NBA contract. That's okay if it secures your client a bag, but the utility is lost if you can't get a deal done. Losing out on money now is generally a bad strategy for a career as shortlived as they are in the NFL. Anyway, I guess I just feel like the chiefs probably actually value CJ fairly and have already made their best offer. Take it or leave it bro. Chances are that you're not getting much better elsewhere.

So even 27-28m is too much for the chiefs?

If that's true I can see why Jones is holding out.

Then you'd better take what they can pay, bitch.

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So meet in the middle and call it done. :shrug:

This dude doesn't know anything he's just pulling his opinion out of thin air or his ass.

Albert Breer is a pretty good source

Part of it has to do with these athletes acting disrespected because they aren't getting paid what they think they're worth.

Hey Chris, that's how most of us hard working citizens feel too. We don't have the luxury of holding out and sitting home on the millions we already made. You signed a contract. Get your ass to work or the team will stop paying you. He shows up tomorrow and is ready to go in a week and a half then fine.

If not, well your fans want to win now while the window is open. This team has a chance to go back to back. That's special. You're gonna throw that away for more money? Damn right some fans will get upset.

He literally says "I believe"...

We don't know that.

Yes he did.

My conjecture of what’s going on is that the Chiefs don’t think Team CJ has bargained in good faith, and have ever escalating demands.

It seems to me that the Chiefs behaved as if they had all but a verbal agreement about the major contract details.


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Downside: Chiefs will give up a lot more points.
Upside: Mahomes will break all passing and scoring records on the way to the Super Bowl

Are we sure Jones negotiated in bad faith? Admittedly, I have not been paying much attention to the whole debacle.

I don’t think they’ll play that hard.

I could be misinterpreting the post, but to my understanding, they’re saying that we could withhold game checks from Jones even after he reports. Meaning if he reports on Wednesday, we could withhold his checks for week 1 and 2.

I do not see the Chiefs doing that. For this reason:

But only time will tell for certain.

I assume he meant Jones is demanding over $30M per year. I don’t think KC is balking at paying $27M, it’s a demand of $31-32M per year that’s causing problems.

27 is too much IMO, 25ish is where I’d draw the line.

Guys like you and I not having this sort of leverage in our lines of works has nothing to do with anything.

Chris Jones has done plenty for Kansas City football fans. There really is no moral quandary. I am not sure why people take stuff like this personally on their little pedestals its just business. A team will **** you over every chance it gets and this job will probably take years off his life.

Come what may.

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As if you care about the Chiefs or the NFL.

We all know for a fact, Sporting KC vs. Chiefs conflict, you're watching soccer.

Oh no I have been found guilty of *checking notes* liking two different sports.

I don’t think Jones has the balls to set out past today! He has to report by tomorrow

Posted this in another thread, but it should probably go here:

Honestly, I'm beginning to hope Jones does NOT report by tomorrow; that extra spot could allow us to keep Smith-Marsette past cutdown day and see what injuries play out prior to Jones' return or trade.

Yeah but he's stupid enough to.

Chris Jones walking into the room to sign his contract tomorrow.


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Last time we were negotiating with CJ95, they were also negotiating the CBA and the interviewer asked him directly “if the owners came to the table and offered the NFLPA exactly what they are asking for, would that close negotiations snd get the deal signed?”

Chris said “no. There would be conversations about other things the players should be entitled to”

I was shocked that we were able to get his deal signed before camp and I wonder if he regrets taking that offer after winning 2 rings but not resetting the market.

Dude is going to end up ****ing himself in this whole deal.

How have the Chiefs ****ed over Chris Jones? Or any player for that matter? **** out of here w that.

Chris Jones doesn't have to resign but what he is doing is surprising even his teammates.

Wtf?? Point me to that law that allows you to murder someone.
You’re off your meds!

OJ Simpson laughs as he puts his gloves on.

Stand your ground law kinda does.

Nope. By definition, if a person has to kill under "Stand your ground" regs, that's not murder at all, but lawful homicide.

Sounds like legal murder to me based on feels but probably not the best place to discuss it.

This back and forth has legitimately become one of the dumbest on CP.

CJ signed a contract. If he chose to retire, he would receive none of the compensation. If he chooses to fulfill the contract in full, he receives all that he was guaranteed.

If he fulfills only part of the contract, he only receives part of the compensation.

There's nothing tantamount to murder here. Stand your ground or otherwise.

Lol, sorry guys. For some reason I thought I was in DC when I posted that. My bad.

No not counterintuitive.

Breaking the law is only illegal if you get caught.

And even then it's usually only a problem if you hire a bad attorney.

I mean, you didn't murder someone.

It was a clear case of self-defense/stand your ground.

Might have to break a cookie jar and bring in a Shelby Harris or Suh…

I could see how the thread title might be confusing.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me AT ALL if Bert used the situation to enable him to carry an extra roster spot. It's tailor made for our need for an extra player.

We’ve actually reached the I hope Jones doesn’t show up so we can keep 8 WRs part of the preseason

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If CJ is not willing to move, Arizona has about $27m in cap space, 2 first round picks (both potential top 5) 1 second round and 3 third round picks. Let’s make a deal.

They're tanking. Trading for Jones isn't in the plan

Was he not arrested and charged with murder exonerated in court due to inept Judge and piss-poor Prosecutor.

Later convicted of manslaughter and spent time in prison. Or did I dream all of that?

Nah...Chiefs dont have to pay him much. They hold the power to delay him to free agency until hes 32 should he not sign an extension. If Chris Jones wants to sit out two years and forfeit 50M he can do that but thats more than he would lose if he didnt sign a cheaper extension from the Chiefs.

He hired a good attorney.

:shrug:

Not seeing any sign of a legally defined murder.

I just opened a fortune cookie that said my dreams will come true so Chris is signing tomorrow and Jessica alba will be showing up to my house.

I think he had a civil conviction for wrongful death, but that didn't lead to prison. This, however...

n 2007, Simpson was arrested in Las Vegas, Nevada, and charged with armed robbery and kidnapping. In 2008, he was convicted and sentenced to 33 years' imprisonment, with a minimum of nine years without parole. He served his sentence at the Lovelock Correctional Center near Lovelock, Nevada.

He got caught and didn't hire a good attorney.

:doh!:

Oj didn't do it his kid did thou.

RGR said on their YouTube tonight that he was told the Chiefs made an offer to Jones towards the end of OTA’s and that was the last offer.

Around 5pm or the end of the business day we'll find out if it's or he'll sign just depending how much Chris is a ****heel

I hope he sits out until week 8. He will never make that $ back. Dumbest agent on earth.

The last part it's impossible to argue with. I don't doubt there are good agents but if you manage to get your client less money and possibly less success whilst pi$$ing off a fan base, you really have no business in this business.

He doesn’t need to wait that long; I’m tired of checking this frustrating thread 20 times a day. Just hop on your annoying little twitter account and announce what you’re going to do already, Chris.

Everyone is saying this is the agents fault. I'm not totally sure of that. His best interest is getting himself as much money as he can for himself, just like Jones. I think this a Jones thing and not an agent thing. I certainly can be wrong however.

I think what his agent did was simply refuse to alter course.

I really think they expected that Williams, Simmons, Lawrence and Payne would end up pushing the DT market up nearer $27 million in AAV and then he'd argue that they should split the difference between that and Donald and settle in at $29/$30 million.

But when the market simply didn't do that and slotted nearer $23/24 million for similarly effective DTs this off-season, Jones and his agent simply ignored it.

They're operating in a world where the DT market was re-set by the young DTs that signed this offseason and ultimately that just didn't happen. And they're refusing to acknowledge it.

So maybe they weren't truly 'dishonest' - maybe they were flat-ass wrong. And that's gonna happen when you're a noob agent who doesn't have the contacts in this league to know how the market is going to settle in. Now I think the agent is guilty of failing to manage client expectations and has put himself firmly up shit's creek.

Final offer or last offer?

Little bit of a difference......

I've always kinda wondered how that dynamic goes when you overpromise and underdeliver as an agent.

It's kinda your job to figure that shit out before we get to this point. Then when push comes to shove....why would you dig in?

I just don't understand here with what the Chiefs likely want to pay to keep Jones around and with all the equity he has with the team, why he wouldn't want to take what he can and stay.

I will never hate on a player trying to get the most money he can, but I will certainly chuckle when it backfires on them if they overvalue their demand.

It should get you fired. It does in most industries, especially when you only get 2-3 bites at this apple in your entire working career.

Now it may be petty - it isn't as though Katz did/didn't do anything specifically that would've set or re-set Jones market. Technically Katz isn't the reason Jones isn't getting what he wants (in all likelihood).

But it's still just poor form by the agent. Your guy needs to know what he's facing and what he's gambling by planting a flag. And he needs to be fully apprised of what the upshot of planting said flag might be.

Ultimately THAT'S where Katz likely failed. Presumably this was a strategy months in the making and in the process, Katz simply laid out a roadmap that wasn't up to date. And in the process he's likely created unnecessary tension between Jones and the front office. If not getting Jones money he was never going to get anyway isn't fireable, the unnecessarily caustic turn this thing has taken probably should be.

Have fun in your next career as an insurance agent, my dude. You've gacked the hell out of this thing.

It also suggests the 'trade Jones for multiple 1sts!' crowd is probably overshooting.

We know what the market for premier DTs is - it's been set multiple times this off-season. If teams aren't treating DTs like teams were treating WRs when wee traded Tyreek Hill, it suggests they aren't THAT gung-ho about acquiring them.

If that's the case - why would a squad give up substantial draft capital to get Chris Jones and pay him a great deal of money?

Nobody in their right mind should. We did it with Frank Clark and it kind of worked, but dude balled out in the playoffs to salvage that deal.

His best bet is to stay here and still make an ungodly amount of money.

Yeah, I don't think there's much value there all things considered. It's why I've kinda "planted my flag" in the play out the year and take the comp pick group.

Does Dexter and a '24 second rounder feel too rich?

Because I'd do it at this point.

I'm just done with the circus.

I'd do it. Just be done with it if this is what it's gonna be.

I believe it is more likely than not he reports today. Just based on rational thinking and HIS own well being. He gains nothing by sitting out. Its quite puzzling that he thinks this would help.

Yeah, if the Chiefs have pulled the offer or Jones camp doesn't like it.....sitting out just wastes money. I don't get it.

Yeah, I think if he doesn't report today, we have likely passed the point of rational behavior and my odds of his legitimately sitting out multiple games goes up quite a lot.

What would help is if he shows up and balls the **** out. Sacking mofos left and right and gets off to a hot start.

Probably a 2nd and a mid rd pick since he's turning 30 on a new team. I'd take that, especially if it was the Cardinals giving us pick 33.

And why wouldn't they? Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison Jr and Chris Jones is a hell of a successful offseason

Cards are tanking. They don't want any old expensive players.

It would likely be Chicago or.....I dunno. Maybe Carolina?

Quinnen Williams didn't get his extension until mid to late July so he is saying they didn't offer anything since June? I don't believe that story.

Obviously, they are both complicit in failing to understand leverage. When they do the long math at the end of CJ's career, the chosen tact will surely yield the worst possible outcome. He's lost $2mm in fines, surely he lose endorsement opportunities, and it is likely that his quality of play in a contract year will wane, as is typically the case for players missing the entire pre-season. I think they misjudged the the age aspect and the fact he is STILL UNDER CONTRACT! Imho, he could have extended for 3 yrs at about 26-27/yr, won another SB, possibly gotten a gold jacket, and have been set for life in the NFL industry...that has all been possibly jeopardized by this foolish gambit.

Jones is going to cost himself 8 figures. What a moron.

Yeah, you play it this way and end up losing 10 million plus. Then you give the Chiefs more leverage to keep you the next two years for cheaper.

It's .....the opposite of what you should do right?

I hear ya, but this is not about rational thinking. He's not showing up today.

Now in fairness - little of this will matter if he DOES come back in week 8 and dominates on his way to the SB. All will be forgiven at a point.

But then he'll just get tagged and we'll go through this lunacy again.

He can save himself a TON of heartache by reporting today, swallowing some pride (y'know, only making $20 million this season...**** that makes my head hurt) and balling out.

At worst he'll get the 'thanks for the memories' send-off that Hill got before he started running his mouth to 'build a brand' in Miami. There's still a relatively happy ending to be had here for Chris Jones.

But man, he's gotta un-**** himself. This is just dumb.

Does it get to the point where the Chiefs just go full OBJ and decline to even tag him next year? Or does he just bring too much value to do that?