This post for the wIn. I FU**ING KNEW HE'D COME GOOD

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I'm so happy for this kid getting to redeem himself in the AFCCG and SB.

Its gonna do wonders for his confidence going into next season

I'm so happy for Skyy Moore. Went from a small school to the best team in the NFL. I can't even imagine how hard that is for someone, regardless of their talent.

He made some massive mistakes in the regular season.

Huge punt return again the Bungals. TD in the Super Bowl. Dude has "IT." He may not ever live up to his draft position (though he showed flashes), but he stepped up when it mattered.

I’m happy for him but the SB revealed why he wasn’t getting as much PT.

He lined up on the wrong side of the field on his TD. Andy actually tried to call a TO.

He’s gotta get the playbook down. I think he will next season

Wut?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wow! On the Skyy Moore TD they were in the wrong formation. Andy Reid tried to call TO. Thank goodness it wasn&#39;t heard by the official.<br><br>Mahomes did his thing and figured shit out. <a href="https://t.co/FoqdczVa2T">pic.twitter.com/FoqdczVa2T</a></p>&mdash; Paul��☮️Pacheco stan acct���� (@PaulHBK) <a href="https://twitter.com/PaulHBK/status/1625702369378934784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mahomes said Skyy was supposed to be on the other side of the formation. He lined up wrong but Mahomes liked the look anyway and snapped the ball.

Gotta respect a rookie who knows the opponent's defensive scheme so well that he overrules an NFL HOF coach and deliberately lines up on the wrong side of the formation, knowing that it'll end up being a sure-fire TD.

It's on par with some of Frank Clark's elite coverage skills.

Man......it worked out but shit.

I'm putting a 1 month moratorium on shit-talking Clark or Moore.

Or unless/until news breaks involving either one of them.

So I will only say I'm happy that Moore managed to get himself into the end zone.

Oh man, that's ****ing funny.

FWIW I’m with DJ on a few of these points. But yeah a 10 man draft class isn’t gonna be perfect.

McDuffie, Karlaftis and Pacheco all looked very good. That alone is a 30% hit rate which I would say is above average.

If I told you that you would get Williams, Chenal and Watson with that, absolutely everybody would call it an A+ draft.

Cook and Skyy showed some flashes but will be interesting in year 2. Cook showed way more than Skyy IMO, but as a draft class I’m not sure how this isn’t up there as the best in franchise history. These guys were crucial to us winning a SB

On 3rd down no less...

So, we're saying that 'Corndog right' followed by 'Corndog left' was really supposed to be 'Corndog right' twice?

And that Mahomes saw him line up left and thought...'Yeah, actually, let's just do that.'

That's hilarious. Awesome.

I don't believe you.

I'm not going to stop shitting on Clark. In fact, I took a dump on him just this morning.

Nagy grabbing him by the chest on the sideline -- "You were in the wrong !@#$ing formation!"

I know we were!!"

Mahomes is a magician, man.

That’s a super interesting back story to that TD play. For all of the criticism of the Eagles for getting burned twice by essentially the same play, I wonder if they would have recognized it the second time if it had been on the right side again? Maybe everyone was confused because only Moore and Mahomes knew what was happening? I guess that’s where the saying “I’d rather be lucky than good” comes from, lol. Though we tend to be lucky and good, which is always superior to having just one.

Mahomes is so smart that even when his guys are wrong, he knows what they're doing.

ROFL

I love this team so much. That might be my new favorite clip. Maybe better than “do we have time to run wasp?”

You're just mad because your Clark thread is in the attic collecting cobwebs while mine is displayed in bright red and gold lights on Broadway.

After that TD I asked... can someone be Comeback Player of the Year within the same year? LMAO

Skyy Moore is basically the Mr. Bean of this roster

Thanks to John Hussey for not calling that TO

Pickens was still good tho.

https://twitter.com/Steelers_DB/stat...34377700806657

I’ll gladly eat crow if I end up being wrong, but I stand by my opinion on him. I don’t see it with Moore. He doesn’t look any different than Conley, Robinson, Pringle, and the endless stream of WRs drafted by this team who never amount to anything more than #3/4 type WRs (Tyreek Hill being the lone exception). It’s not just Veach, we have been historically awful at finding WRs. Silly thing to complain about after 2 SBs i’m 4 years, but the talent evaluation there has to change for the better. As much as I have complete faith in this team finding solid players in the secondary throughout the draft, the exact opposite is true at WR.

You'll be eating crow per usual, and you STILL won't learn a ****ing thing.

At some point you need to try a new schtick.

Could you provide me an amended timeline for said crow eating when you have a minute?

I feel like this has been being promised for a bit now...

LMAO

Yea we're basically going into year 3 of Moore's career, amirite?

I don't know what's more hilarious. That Moore lined up wrong and we scored a TD....or that Andy was going to run the same ****ing play twice and it probably would have worked.

Thought this was pretty cool. Skyy blocks two guys on the edge to help spring Pacheco for a 1st down.

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Just sayin' it's a bit of an evergreen comment at this point...

So again, no rush - but if you could just get me an updated timeline when you have a moment, that'd be great. I wouldn't want to spoil my appetite.

It is pretty funny in retrospect for sure.

Fun fact: Andy has never run the same play twice in a game. It might look mostly the same, but there's always some wrinkle. But if I understand things correctly, he was going to run the exact same play a second time in that instance, breaking his own tendency.

But running from the opposite side was an unintended stroke of genius.

I hope we win Moore Super Bowls

I hope he changes his name to Skyy MOST

I'm expecting a huge jump in year 2, especially after the confidence boost from the AFCCG and SB.

Could I be wrong? Sure, but I'm still 100% confident in Moore's future with this team.

With our without JJSS?

I think we get a solid jump from him to similar to what JJSS provided us this year IF JuJu is gone.

But if JuJu is back, I don't see enough balls for him to break out.

I doubt Juju's back, don't you?

At any rate, I would think by about mid-season '23, we'll be seeing Moore flourish.

Flourish into what though? What are we defining as "flourish" here?

I'm not exactly an unbiased source. I didn't like the type of player, didn't care for the player himself IF you're after that type of player, wasn't terribly impressed by his performance and think his role was almost completely fungible.

So obviously I've had him on my 'let walk' list for some time.

But the Chiefs seem to be fond of retaining guys who make an effort to stay and seem to be appreciated in the lockeroom. Especially after a title. I don't think it worked even a little bit with Sammy, but they may go back to that well.

I just think we saw how badly we need another dynamic playmaker out wide in the first half of that game. The Eagles were forcing us underneath and over the middle and doing so with ease. Now unfortunately for them, Patrick Mahomes is a living god and played like it. But I sure would like to open up more of the field. And as I said LAST offseason, the way to do that is by adding complementary speed, IMO. I think MVS is 1/2 of that equation and the other half is someone else who can get deep and challenge the field. Maybe that's Toney with Moore pressuring NCBs and Ss with shorter routes.

But I just worry about ever trusting Toney's health.

But yeah, I just don't see any real utility in retaining JJSS at this point.

"Beware Shifting Baselines"

I get the impression that for many 'flourishing' next season would be something similar to what you and I projected as a 'decent start for a 2nd round rookie' and were called haters for it in 2022...

I don't know, how about a good, dependable player? An asset to the offense?

I think this tendency to want to set specific stat lines or player comps and claim anything else is a bust is ****ing stupid, but that's me.

But at the same time, a guy having a 62 yard game or making a block can't be "See, I told you he'd break out!!!"

I mean if you're gonna try to claim you put one through the uprights, shouldn't you have to plant them SOMEHOW?

I do agree there are ways Moore can make himself valuable (if not 2nd round pick valuable) without having the kind of statistical impact many would like to see. But if someone's that bullish on him, shouldn't there be some sort of established baseline to prevent someone from throwing a dart and then drawing the bullseye around it?

Because that's exactly what our boy Pitt just did. "See, you haters were too eager!!! Silly Chief Fan!" When...uh...turns out he didn't even line up correctly.

If people can't hold their fire, then shouldn't they at least go on the record?

Well...we need some sort of way to quantify his contributions.

Jeremy Maclin is what I want him to be. He’s never gonna be a huge star, but a good ass receiver.

Sub 700-800 yards and 5-6 TD’s kinda stats is what is ideal for me

Maclin averaged over 1,000 yards/season for 5 seasons from 22 through 26 yrs old.

Folks, he ain't gonna be Maclin and if he is, that's a DAMN good receiver.

Bit misleading of a stat. He only broke 1,000 yards 1 time in that span, and 900 twice (including the 1,000 yard season).

ROFL. You’re on fire today.

I can’t wrap my head around he processing speed required for such a thing. Most brain shortcuts would automatically default to “shit is ****ed. Read #2”.

Not Mahomes. In the ****ing .20 of a second Skyy is in motion Mahomes says

“Shits ****ed.

Ok I’ve accounted for anything the secondary guys can do to stop it and I like it.

What are the chances Moore catches this noise. It’s 3rd down after all.

Surely this mother****er is going to run the right play. Wrong formation and all.

Yep.”

“Hike”

That is incredible.

Twice in that span.

There's very little 'misleading' about a guy averaging 1,000 yards/yr over 5 years.

You said age 22 to 26 which would include his entire career on the Eagles, prior to his 2nd 1,000 yard season on the Chiefs at age 27.

He averaged 863 yards from 22 to 25 and then had an extreme outlier of a season as you'll ever see when out of nowhere he had 1,300.

He had 2 years of 1,000 yards in an 8 year career. Trying to act like he averaged 1,000 yards over any span other than those 2 years when he was pretty much an 800 yard receiver for his career is very ****ing misleading. You are trying to make it sound like he was as productive as Travis Kelce.

I reckon I've been as big of a Moore stan here as it gets, and I DID say I thought issues were mental rather than physical. But damn that is both funny and kinda not. I DO think he'll get more of it down next year but...hmm.

Agreed, especially at a higher cost.

22-27; fine - His peak years are pretty clearly defined and during that peak he average 1,000 yards/season.

5 seasons is longer than the average NFL player; it's a plenty ample sample size. And over that 5 season (6 year) stretch, he averaged 1,000 yards. That's just the math of it and that's all I said. You want to argue semantics, you're welcome to do so.

If Maclin's your bar - good luck.

Nope. As soon as he was drafted I pegged him as a poor mans Welker or maybe a low end Edelman.

The whole offseason it was nothing but we need a WR that can get open. Well, we got a receiver who was elite at getting open off the line. He primarily ran short routes. IMO, the routes he ran/runs are the most indefensible routes in football. Short quick hitter routes with room for YAC that are just a free 7+ yards every time.

I dont think he'll ever get enough targets to put up the kind of numbers as Welker because Mahomes is a completely different QB than Brady and those types of throws were Brady's bread and butter. But I see no reason that Moore couldn't get you 700 easy yards and a handful of TDs, especially if JuJu isn't in the picture and he's taking over JuJu's role.

Just need him to figure out where to line up.

Why?

Watson got a shitload of snaps this year and everybody's defense was "he's good as a blocker". If that's all we need out of our backup WR's, what's the ****ing problem with Moore?

Baby steps.

First - line up in the right spot 20 games into the season.

Second - displace Justin Watson on the depth chart.

Third - Hall of Fame

He was at step 3 the moment the Chiefs selected him.

Profit.

Found out about this reading CP on my phone on lunch break, totally hilarious jaw dropping classic story

Skyy lines up on the wrong side, Mahomes is prescient enough to see that it could work and says **** it lets go... you wanna talk about legendary lore, this story will be part of it

He's now in Mannings class, just out there calling his own shots

Neo is now seeing everything in code

I just think any QB we had before Mahomes would have either....

Not realized we were in the wrong formation (Cassel, Thigpen, Croyle, Grbac)

Understandably called a costly timeout to get the right set up - possibly burning the play (Smith, Huard, Green, Gannon).

But Patrick was just like "**** it. It'll work."

From what it sounds like, Skyy was suppose to actually motion to that side from the right. Skyy just realized that the Eagles were over aggressive on the motion and decided to do what Toney did and Mahomes was liking where his head was at. 200 IQ.

Skyy invented a play on the spot. And the best part is, it's definitely going in the playbook now. Nice job, Skyy! On your way to becoming the next OC!!!:thumb:

I like Sky Moore but it doesn’t sound like this at all.

I'm only half joking. He was absolutely suppose to motion over from the right.

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Look at where Mahomes first looks for the motion. Toney points to the other side. Mahomes sees him over there and Skyy gives him a gesture to say motion me and Mahomes does. Skyy motions over and puts the breaks on just before the snap. Bam. TD!

Hmm. Mahomes was definitely going to throw that at Skyy. Never had any intention of going anywhere else with that ball.

And no other route is going near that corner.

So THAT'S what Andy meant when he told Peter King it wasn't the same play...

If they were running that Hardman/Hill speed out off of motion, Skyy's design was going to work better there.

I'm not about to give him credit for "design." LMAO

He ****ed up but he and Mahomes made it work. It may have worked out for that play, but Moore needs to figure shit out.

Agreed.

If it was supposed to be the exact same play as the Toney td I doubt it was supposed to go to Moore or was unlikely called for him. I’d bet Andy thought they’d bite this time and had someone else schemes up for it.

There's no question the play was designed to go to Moore. Mahomes does not look anywhere else. The only real question is was Moore suppose to make that exact cut, just on the right side exactly like Toney, or come across the entire field from right to left? My money is on that he was suppose to run across the entire formation because MVS is headed to that right corner and no one but Moore is running to the left.

I’m saying if it was the same okay, where Moore was supposed to be on the other side of the field, it’s not actually for him. He ended up with the right look accidentally and Mahomes out it on him.

He was only ever suppose to be on the right side pre-snap. He's the only WR headed to the left side of the field. Look at McKinnon's first reaction after he gets up from his chop block on the blitz, aswell. He immediately pops up and looks left to see the play. Toney also isn't really running a route, he's jogging. MVS is busting his ass to get out of the area. Kelce camps out in the middle.

I dont think there is any question that play was designed to go to Moore from start to finish and he ultimately ended up where he was suppose to be. He was just suppose to start on the right side but lined up on the left and to compensate for that **** up he and Mahomes used the same motion that the Eagles ****ed up defending against Toney. It probably worked out better than the actual play design in this situation.

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I may need to see my doctor about a four hour erection after watching this. This answers a lot of the questions being discussed about the Moore play.

Watch it quick because it may come down. Not sure this clip is sanctioned.

That’s a great watch. The confused/annoyed look on Mahomes’s face before the snap is awesome, especially knowing that it was still a TD.

LMAO Yeah, that face