Im an idiot because you didn't agree with me when I said James was returning to Cleveland. And I'm an idiot because I continue to believe Wiggins won't be traded, which still hasn't happened. I don't think having a different opinion makes me an idiot, especially when what I've said tends to happen a lot more often than not. Idiot, get back to watching espn.

That would land Wiggins and Embiid in Philly along with a presumed top lottery pick next year plus MCW and Noel.

Quit trying to dick over Minnesota. It's not going to work.

The world wouldn't fall to shit if the Minnesota Timberwolves were to just this once have a player on their team with the potential to be a super star surrounded by a supporting cast that didn't suck awful squirrel farts like Garnett had most of his years with the team. Lord knows the sun has been shining out of Cleveland's ass ever since they drafted Lebron in 2003. CLEVELAND of all places.

What would be wrong with Minnesota falling into a super stud player who doesn't play PF?

Now they are saying Wiggins doesn't want to go to Minnesota. LMAO

Is this the same source that said Love was going to Cleveland for chump change because there was no demand?

Or the one that said the Cavaliers simply would never consider trading Wiggins?

You're a troll who deserves to be raped by a 400 lb man.

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to dick over Minnesota. Frankly, I think Waiters and Bennett could absolutely develop into great players there.

But your point is taken. I'm also going to allow Minnesota to switch draft picks with Philadelphia, top 3 protected, until they use Miami's first rounder.

No source has said Love was being traded for chump change, if there was an agreement it would have been done long ago, dumbass.

If Wiggins was on the table, the trade would have been made already, dumbass.

I can't see any way the Sixers land Wiggins given that the biggest two trade chips are Wiggins and Love by a mile. It doesn't make sense for there to be a scenario where Love isn't in Cleveland and Wiggins isn't in Minnesota.

Probably not. Just fun to mess around with.

76ers were trying real hard to trade up for Wiggins in the first place, if he was going there it would have been during/before the draft.

They'll be better off in the long run that they were unable to move up.

I agree. If it weren't for injury concerns Embiid was the best player in the draft. I'm just glad we got another very high potential player... Unlike last year where there wasn't even one to draft.

BUT HE WAS RIGHT!!!!
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Not really... Wiggins has to sign and them wait the 30 days for the money to match up.
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I'm actually confused about this... Because the rights to a player before they have signed are traded all the time... But I heard today Wiggins is putting off signing it as long as he can because he doesn't want traded.

I already explained it. The salaries don't match up. They need him signed to get there.
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Want to see if a trade works, here you go:
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker

No, you're an idiot because you're being an idiot.

Show us a source, you feckless moron. I googled it and got nothing.

You know how much shit I read daily? I don't catelog it just in case some bozo doesn't have his own sources.

Mods change that douchebags name to Ehlo2724

But I know how it works with you clowns. No truth until it's on ESPN.

Two questions:

1.) What's with the "ESPN" bullshit, particularly given that I don't watch it?

2.) How ****ing stupid do you have to be to deride others about ESPN in the first place, when you've admitted to basing your opinion of a player's summer league performance on secondhand news sources rather than on your own watching of the games?

Again.... You're an idiot because you're being an idiot.

Yeah, after saying one thing one time about a player, who had previously been doing well from what I had seen, I've never watched a game. ROFL

Never go full Bambi

You don't live in ****ing Cleveland. You get your Cavs news just like I would get mine if I were a Cavs fan.

I googled "Wiggins doesn't want to be traded" and got nothing. Surely if some guy released a report out there I'd be able to read his blog entry or twitter or SOMETHING.

So where did you hear about this? You said you read it, so you don't have a ****ing Cavs insider telling you this information.

Probably not good enough for you, but I've gotten good information here several times.

Horrible

JPB being a douche.. something I have never seen before.

LMAO

Read the thread. Seriously.


Oh, and then **** off. :thumb:

Your claim on this is from some guy posting on a forum? Is this the correct link?

http://www.mnsportsfans.com/forum/sh...Love-deal-done

I've read the thread, and you're still a shithead :thumb:

Never been to that site. And there were multiple sources with the same basic information, I just posted one. Have you ever read anything here before you seen it on ESPN?

I'd like to see more people saying this, but it's a start.

And I don't doubt that's the case for Wiggins, where he'd want to create a "brand," and Minnesota isn't exactly the place to do that.

But that's just really too bad. What if Milwaukee had the 1st pick and he went there? There's not much he can ****ing do. There's not much Anthony Davis can do when he got drafted by New Orleans. Or hell, there's not much Kevin Love has been able to do when he became a Timberwolf.

You can become a star and grow out your product that way. That's what you can do. You can be a stellar basketball player and get on TV by making people want to see you.

If the environment isn't right for creating your brand, then MAKE it right. And I highly doubt if the Cavs get the right deal agreed upon and Wiggins' ass is on the way out, they're not going to re-think the deal just because he tells them he won't be able to sell as many jerseys if he goes to the Wolves.

Hey Guise! I'm know a guy that post on a message board that has all the inside information on every NBA team that they don't want anyone else to know!

If you're calling me the names, based on the posts in this thread, that just demonstrates that I was right about you being a complete moron.

But, hey, it was great to see you following me around and posting about me completely off topic. It's great to have fans, even if their I.Q. is probably lower than a Budweiser's alcohol percentage.

I know it'd probably a first, and there's just left over butt hurt... But maybe you're in the wrong?

Again, I don't watch ESPN, and that post you offered reportedly just comes from some random guy who supposedly knows someone.

You're mocking ESPN, but you're using sources that are far more suspect.

Just talking out loud. Is it possible that there's truth to the idea that Wiggins wants to play in a big market, and that Philly is in play so Minnesota can get Embiid and Philly gets Wiggins?

I'm not crazy about that scenario as a Cavs fan. But what if the trade worked like this:

Cleveland receives:
Love
Dieng

Minnesota receives:
Embiid
Bennett
Young
Lucas
Malcolm Thomas
Erik Murphy
Cleveland pick

Philadelphia receives:
Wiggins
Martin
Barrea

I know that's not ideal for the Wolves or the Cavs, because it's a better situation if Wiggins ends up in Minnesota, and Noel or Embiid in Cleveland. But if Wiggins doesn't want to go to Minnesota, it still gets them an elite prospect and the Wolves still get a really strong haul.

Sixers will never trade Noel to the Cavs. That shit team had a clear chance at Noel and your blockhead owner was too impatient to wait for an injury and went for a guy who is a laughable joke.

Not comparing the two organizations at ALL, but you know another team where brand identity is hard to come by?

The San Antonio Spurs.

Take a stellar and exciting player like Tony Parker. After all these years, does he have a "brand" that people genuinely like and flock to outside of the base of Spurs fans?

Kawhi Leonard is another example. One of the most underrated players in the game today. What does he have for a brand?

If Andrew Wiggins somehow found himself on the Spurs, would he give a flying **** about his brand? Probably not, I would say. Or maybe actually would. I don't know.

If he wants to change that, however, he only needs to look to a wet fart town like Oklahoma City and what they've turned into. Why? Because they've got star players who win shit. There's no reason why with all the young talent Minnesota would acquire in a Love deal that they couldn't create an OKC-like atmosphere if Wiggins is a legit superstar.

But whatever. I'm not in the position to make millions and millions of dollars for a professional sports team. I'm probably just projecting my ho-hum life onto that of a superstar similar to the people who bitched a day ago about Jamaal Charles owning up to the contract he signed because people in average jobs have to do that.

First of all, it was a blockhead GM who's now gone.

Second of all, Bennett was a terrible pick. It should have been Noel. So what? The point is a trade that makes all 3 sides happy and that's the scenario that seems to make the most sense.

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I'm so torn between wanting to see LeBron succeed and wanting to see the Cavs fail now because of you.

Zilla has been firing up too much NBA 2k...and blunts

Um... okay. And go ahead and tell me what is wrong with the last two trades I proposed.

If what RustShack posted is true, it sounds like the issue isn't so much what Wiggins wants as it is the salary cap.

An unsigned rookie has a cap hold based on where he was picked, sort of like the rookie wage scale in the NFL. The final contract can range between 80% and 120% of the cap hold, but in practice almost all rookies sign for close to 120%. So it's possible that Cleveland needs that extra 20% to make the salaries match.

I'm just wondering: How is KC's attitude towards the Kings? Did you choose a new team when they left, in case you were already around at that time? Do people hate on them, because they left KC or are some guys still following them? Or do people even care any longer, since they have been very bad for a relatively long time now.

I'm just interested since most people in Seattle hate on the Thunder since they left!

**** the Kings. They have gotten what they deserved.

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Which was getting completely ****ed in the 2002 WCF against the Lakers and being completely irrelevant the rest of the time.

And the Cavs have officially signed their draft picks. Ray Allen is also still leaning towards signing with the Cavs.

Let the 30 day clock begin.

I thought he was holding out so he couldn't be traded.

He's had his contract and could have signed earlier.

@SamAmicoFSO: Continue to hear, despite Andrew Wiggins' name likely coming up in talks, Cavs have not offered him in any trade proposal.

Deals that will only exist on xbox

So I ordered a Wiggins jersey a few days after the draft, it was supposed to be shipped within a week but they delayed it twice(assuming because of the trade discussion). Hypothetically if he is traded, you would think they would do a trade in right? I already have an Irving jersey and LeBron's 23.

SNR is a big TWolves fan. He's been fighting me tooth & nail on this. He thinks the trade makes total sense.

The Cavs were looking for a center and obviously Love. Sixers were looking at Waiters. The Wolves were looking at Wiggins. The Sixers were looking to unload Thaddeus Young. The Mavs were insistent on moving Martin and Barrea and the Sixers are a team that needs to add payroll. The second trade I mentioned assumes Wiggins doesn't want to play in Minnesota.

And the trades I proposed hit the NBA $ requirement for trades.

So apart from your just being a contrarian, go ahead and tell me what part doesn't make any sense. Other than in my first example, I might swap out Embiid/Noel and change that to Dieng maybe.

Stephen A Smith reporting KLove told teams that he will only sign with the Cavs next year is HUGE. No leverage = keeping Wiggins
7:32 AM - 25 Jul 2014

I've always liked the Cavs (a little bit), but I'm still shocked that they won the lottery 3 times in 4 fours. What are the odds of that?

It improves their leverage. But I also feel that flip Saunders will do whatever it takes to not get hosed, even if it means holding onto love for a while. Which is why I am actually buying the Philly three way deal trade talk. Again, if Kansas can land love and a legit center prospect out of the deal, then giving away Wiggins, Waiters, and Bennett, in my opinion, is a home run.

What a ****ing dickbag.

Eat shit and die, Kevin. You were absolutely in the right to want to get out of Minnesota, but you at least had the responsibility to ensure that your departure didn't leave a ****ing smoldering crater where the shitty ass team used to be.

You quite possibly ****ed up our chance to move on successfully from your pink douchebag ass. Looks like we can look forward to spending another 5-10 years playing grabass with Sacramento and Utah at the very bottom of the Western Conference.

Thanks, bro. I hope you ****ing die.

Sorry, bud.

But this is kind of why I was saying no other team is going to pull the trigger on outbidding Cleveland, and why the Cavs should hold fast to not trading Wiggins.

Of course, this is one guy's report today. Love's camp could easily refute that today. And then a new wrinkle tomorrow.

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NBA lottery is rigged.
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The year we got Irving it was with the Clippers pick actually. This year is the only year where it was crazy odds, and I believe it has happened once before in the history of the draft. Obviously it's bound to happen from time to time. But yes the Cavs got super lucky this year. Which the deserved it after getting it in such a shitty draft last year.

Side note... I forgot that the cavs also have rights to Sasha Kaun. Given blatts Russian connections, I would bet Kaun would be willing to come back. His Russian contract expires in 2015. It would make for an interesting starting lineup if you somehow managed to pull off kyrie, Wiggins, LeBron, love, Kaun.

I'm not completely sold they keep Wiggins, though. I think flip seems pretty persistent on this.

Little reason to think Kaun is good enough to play in the NBA, let alone starting for a finals contender.

Kaun wouldn't start, but I think he could absolutely play. You're talking about a last man off the bench who will set hard screens, battle in the paint, has an NBA body, won a title at a blue blood school, and has been playing professionally for 6 years.

There's no reason to think he couldn't be your 9th or 10th man off the bench. That's also six extra hard fouls and they have no one to back up center.







*total homer alert*

Sash a Kaun....starting on an NBA team ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL What in the he'll are you smoking?

You just go ahead and wake me up when that happens

Kaun has improved a lot in Europe. With the cavs supporting cast, he wouldn't be needed much on offense. If his knees stay healthy, the guy can rebound and is an excellent defender. Only issue is if he will take up too much space down low. This is assuming the cavs keep Wiggins and ad love. If it is, I don't see why this is worse than picking up a rim protector from the scrap pile.

And you can go ahead and tell me where the hole in the story is. Every point I brought up is based on fairly strong rumors. The only speculation is that Philly would package in a center. I personally don't see why they'd be in the conversation if that wasn't in play, unless they are literally so desperate to get of thaddeus young that they'd essentially trade him for waiters straight up. Somehow I doubt that's what would happen.

What Love is doing is a one who sucks the penis move to the fans, but it's also the right ploy. The less Cleveland has to give up for him the better their chances to win both immediately and down the line.

And the Timberwolves will just let him walk rather than take back garbage.

Face reality here, you can't get Kevin Love by him signing there on his own. You need a trade.

The Timberwolves still hold all the cards, despite Love's pathetic ploy.

His suitors aren't drying up so you can hold on to Wiggins and get a superstar for a bunch of shit.

It's just become laughable anymore. But no way are the Cavs going to get him for next to nothing. Waiters, Thompson and Bennett with draft picks are a garbage haul.

The Cavs would have to do some shuffling to sign him next year. But we have the extra picks to package with players to free up space. It's no where close to impossible. Wouldn't be the worst thing for Blatt to play with this young talent and see what he's got. The Big3 in Miami didn't win it their first year either.

Cavs have cap flexibility. Rust is right on this one.

It's cool if you want to hold on to him for a year and get a worse draft pick. Or ship him off to a higher bidder for a one year rental. Gotta do what ya gotta do. No reason to trade Wiggins or much else for someone you know you're getting no matter what.

Before I was alright with trading one of Wiggins/Waiters and one of Bennett/Thompson and some picks with whatever other scraps. But now I wouldn't even give up Waiters... Who I don't think LeBron wants to lose anyways.