When they're not failing to get open or dropping passes, they're fumbling.

And yet....Mahomes still manages to outproduce Burrow and his three #1s. :)

Your point is wrong though. Yes, Burrow takes a lot of sacks. That’s part of his game. Can’t shrug those off like he isn’t part of that problem. And a bunch of completions with 5 straight punts, including 4 three and outs is not exactly a winning point about the QB play.

Yah. Regardless of their record, they have a ton of talent on that team, a stable coaching staff, and a top-5 QB with one of the best receiver groups in the league. Along with a pretty solid defense. They could get on a hot streak at any time and win out or win enough to get into the playoffs. You may remember other teams that did similar things in the past, assuming you've watched the NFL for longer than this season.


Hell, we've seen mediocre teams that didn't have as much talent offensively find their way into the playoffs and win it all. NYG, BAL, **** it, here's a list of SB winner ranked:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...in-nfl-history

Another list of 'worst SB winners':
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ers-in-history

So yeah, dipstick, I'm good with waiting until they're mathematically eliminated before assuming CIN isn't making the playoffs.

This isn't even close to the same thing as saying you're "certain" they make it.

Maybe try not talking out of your ass?

Maybe you missed my point about his QBR being 70 for most of the game? That's more than just completions/misses. It speaks to efficiency, and he was pretty efficient, according to QBR.

And I'm not shrugging off taking sacks. I chose not to take a deep dive into that for this conversation. I'll give you that he takes too many sacks, if you concede that not every sack is his fault. Fair?

Also, some of those punts were the result of receivers not catching a perfectly catchable ball. Is that really Burrow's fault? Should he have walked over and handed the ball to the receiver? Or, realized through his precognitive abilities that that particular receiver was going to drop the pass, and chosen a different receiver instead?


We could even get into play-calling, if we wanted to, though I'm not going to dive into that. But is it Joe's fault when the first play is a run that gets a yard, then they run the next play that gets flagged for holding or whatever, and now they're 2nd and really long? Is that Joe's fault, or does he get a pass there?

If we take Joe out of it and it's Pat in there instead, do you give him a pass in those situations?

He made a bad decision on 2 throws. It happens. He also threw a GWTD pass that Boyd dropped with a minute and a half left in the game.

One dropped pass determined how the entire narrative goes this week, for us and the NM. 180 degree swing.

Actually it is. you just have a problem reading. I'm certain they're making the playoffs, up until they're mathematically eliminated. Do you understand what that phrase means?

Try taking a class in comprehension.

They don't really have a solid defense this year, their OL isn't very good and they're banged up.

Add that to a tough schedule and things could get a bit dicey.

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Is Carolina mathematically eliminated? By your logic you are certain they are making the playoffs.

A TD pass isnt' a game winning TD pass when there's that much time on the clock and the other team just knifes down the field for the game winning fg.

That’s the one player on defense they could least afford to lose.

BURROWHEAD: Bengals talking a lot of sh1ttttt
 

You said “high level.” He obviously didn’t do that. High level play overcomes all of the excuses you are trying to make for him yesterday.

And no, I wouldn’t give Mahomes a pass given I’ve been one pointing out him missing open receivers in these games and bailing pockets too quick.

And when a team's playing for 3 or 4+, the play calling is different and you can't assume the exact same thing happens.

That's not what you said. This is what you said:

Try not being a ****ing dumbass.

Yeah, they had really slowed down the Texans offense most of the game.

Lol, why are you guys being so obtuse? This isn't hard. Try reading better.

Is CAR as talented as CIN? Do they have a top-5 QB? Do they have one of the best WR rooms in the league? Do they have proven coaching? Ranked 15th in DEF DVOA, making them better than BUF, MIA, HOU and PHI? Last I checked, the answer to all of these questions is unequivocally, "No."



Oh, I get it. Because it's CIN. And we don't like CIN. This is the "we aren't going to have a rational discussion about this team because we hate them" thread.


Sorry, I forgot. "CIN sucks because we want them to suck!!!"

Better?


Carry on.

Yikes, they'll be down that bad on Thursday?

If most of the game means stopping them 3 straight drives right before the last one, which included an interception that was almost returned for a touchdown and another ball that was almost picked off, you are correct.

I know Stanley went down yesterday. That's a big piece for the Ravens and Merkari would start that's a question mark. I haven't heard if its serious but if he can't go that's going to change a lot of things they do on offense.

Lol, no one is talking about missing WRs. Please stay within the context of the examples.


A QBR of 70 is "high level." It's borderline elite according to ESPN, though I personally would say that 70 is 'very good.'

I'm not talking about results; I'm just talking about the analysis of his performance, regardless of the final outcome. And the statistical analysis by ESPN of his play yesterday indicates that for 3 quarters he played at a significantly higher than average level.

That's very true. Mahomes might be undefeated right now if not for dropped passes (and fumbles) in the Detroit and Denver games. QBs can only do their part.

Many of the same people in this thread piling on with we told you so's on how bad OBjr was are former keep OBjr. I told you all this guy was trash along with a few others and caught your wrath. All you cared about was new shiny sparkly pieces instead of properly protecting the franchise.

You and I know who you are!

Bengals are learning the same lesson we did. If you don't go get a decent LT your desperation leads to OBjr still being employed by the NFL.

70/100 QBR is very strong. Brady won MVP in 2017 with a QBR grade of 71/100 for the season. I would say 70/100 is in the elite category at the moment. Last year, only 3 dudes were above 70/100 on the season. This year, only 4 guys are above 70/100 at the moment. We'll see how long that lasts.

You keep clinging to whatever excuses you want to cover for an obvious incorrect “high level” assessment. But unfortunately for you results matter and producing nothing for five straight drives against a not so great defense is not “high level.”

The Mahomes comment is just one example of me not giving him a pass given that’s what you were fishing for. He doesn’t get one when not deserving and neither does Burrow.

We understand that. KC was one dropped pass from being 8-1 and running away with the AFC.

lol, okay.


My bad anyway. I forgot this is the “bengals are talking shit and I want to whine about that,” thread.

I’ll bow out of this “debate “ now, and leave you gentlemen to it.

bengals fans whining about the steelers LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A lot of people this morning are wondering how the Steelers are 6-3.<br><br>Getting favorable whistles like this at home helps a lot. <a href="https://t.co/GlqFV6iNpg">https://t.co/GlqFV6iNpg</a></p>&mdash; Marcus Mosher (@Marcus_Mosher) <a href="https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1724088143840678113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And two dropped passes away from being 9-0 and entertaining undefeated season and best team ever talk.

Which catch are you referring to from the Broncos game?

The Skyy Moore drop in the end zone? Even the Rice drop when he was all alone at the Broncos' 40 could have swung that game KC's way.

And the punt return fumble.

That’s actually a pretty close call, but it looks backward based on the way the receiver tried to catch the ball behind him and the camera angle. They probably shouldn’t have blown the whistle, but with that askew camera angle it looks like it could be backwards by a foot. You need a straight down the line shot to see if it was really a lateral, which would probably show it wasn’t backwards or that there’s not enough evidence to overturn it.

I baffled at how that pile of shit is 6-3.

Might be the worst team in history to make the playoffs. The anti-Chargers.

He says that puppy was backward by a yard. That is not even close to being true. But it does appear to be about 1/3 of a yard backwards.

Tomlin.

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Texans had 31 pressures yesterday.<br><br>Sheldon Rankins all by himself had 11 pressures and 3 sacks.<br><br>Burrow had a pressure rate of 45%, the highest in the league yesterday.<br><br>And now they have to play a really, really, really pissed off Ravens defense, on the road, in three days. <a href="https://t.co/zNA2glNjHQ">https://t.co/zNA2glNjHQ</a></p>&mdash; Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1724098634223128737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yea same for KC week one yet here we are at 7-2 while Cincy is about to be 5-5.

Holeee shit that's bad. On 40 pass attempts.

Stavvy is hilarious and will be in KC this weekend. He's a Ravens guy and does not like the Gals

Embed because it's a good post you made there:

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And the 30th ranked defense. LMAO

I think they are closer to the 2001 Chiefs than the 2023 Chiefs.

Wow. The one thing that really is keeping them relevant is the turnover differential. Same for Pittsburgh. Both plus 10.
.

Classic AFCN dirtball. They're just Big 10 teams all grown up.

The 30th ranked defense with an OL that can't pass protect is not sustainable.

I think Burrow goes back on IR before the end of the year.

I had to do a double take on that. Absolutely unreal.

Our D is going to eat him alive.

Joe Exotic is going to be anally raped.

I clearly didn’t appreciate Heck’s work enough last year.

i'll do another version of tua's gangrape couch 'shop for that game :evil:

Wut? That's actually insane. For reference, the Super Bowl debacle against the Bucs without Fisher the Bucs got pressure on almost half.

Geez, they've got a GM that clearly can't build an OL and a coach that runs a HS offense. It's a miracle they've only lost 4 games.

It isnt. TO differential is notoriously fickle. Swings back and forth.

I guess I just didn't realize the defense was 30th. The stats, other than turnovers, are really.bad.

He also did enough to lose that game as well with two INTs, so it ended up being a push.

He was lucky to even have a chance late in that game. Cincy defense came up with another clutch turnover. Huge interception returned close to the goal line. Houston was in control of the game until that play.

Draftplanet says he sucks.

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Too bad you won't be able to use it.

oh no, it will absolutely be posted to trigger you and all your chili eaters before the game

I don't have a trigger, homeskizzle.

it broke off a long time ago

A caught td pass gives Burrow the win, reducing complaints about interceptions to Pete level bitching about how you got the W.

Boyd catches the ball, they win, regardless of everything that happened prior.

We say all the time that Dee Ford ****ed us out of a Superbowl trip. Not too many talk about Mahomes getting blanked in the first half.

It comes down to did you have a chance to win regardless of everything that transpired to that point? Yes.

Did someone catastrophically fist their own team to keep them from capitalizing on that chance? Yes.

You can say team game, we all could've been better earlier, but the bottom line is that if Ford doesn't line up offside, Mahomes drags Bob Sutton to a title shot.

Boyd catches that football, Bengals win the game.

Dee lined up offside negating a game winning int. Boyd dropped the td that would have won the game, Chris Jones handed Matt Ryan the game after crushing their hopes with a sack. Toney dropped the pass to put us in fg range late against Detroit. We see it all the time.

Tee Higgins unlikely to play Thursday.

Did Hammock really not post this on CP? Might have missed it but don't care.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let the boy watch. He needs to learn about those Cincinnati <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bengals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bengals</a>. <a href="https://t.co/4dYBMuEg9c">pic.twitter.com/4dYBMuEg9c</a></p>&mdash; ��️ Red Tribe Cinema (@ClayWendler) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClayWendler/status/1724129906626302248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

yeah i posted it 2 or 3 pages ago

your choice to be a fan

Ah, I had forgotten that one already. I suppose my brain is trying to scrub the memory of that game entirely.

I’d have felt good about a comeback if Moore catches that, but I’m not sure we can say it definitively. That sounds a lot like those Jets losers who claim they would have beat us if Sauce doesn’t get called for defensive holding.

Dee Ford isn't offsides, the Chiefs kneel it out.

Boyd catches it, the Texans get it with a minute 35 to go and a timeout.

Oh I’m a fan. Probably watched it 10 times and still laughing. It should probably be put in the OP by the mods it’s so good.

start a thread bro, i need more attention

use the youtube embed tho

Have you tried shaving your head, growing a long red beard, and talking like Guy Fieri?

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Orlando is the Chiefs secret weapon.

walked back again for an INT LMAO

Would think with Orlando's size it would take at least a little more time to just push him back into the QB. Burrow keeps just getting hit by his own lineman, and hit pretty hard.

Damn, he could slow them up at least that much by simply laying down and making the defender jump over him. LMAO

dude did 14 reps at the combine

lardass

That's only 14 more than me, and I wasn't even there.