Hitchens was streaky. He played well in spurts. Ragland played poorly most of the game, IMO.

Dante Hall had a great career with us and I'm grateful for him, but Tyreek = Dante + 4 miles per hour. If he keeps it up, Tyreek may let us finally demote Stephone Paige from the all-time Chiefs team.

So, Brady threw for 500 yards and lost the super bowl.

That's what I was seeing as well.

The only time I recall Fuller got abused was the one where Keenan Allen made him look bad on the out route from the slot. But other than that, I don't recall much of him getting abused much.

Other than Scandrick making the great tackle on the first half, I just remember that he got torched several times as the game progressed.

Either way, the safety play is a big problem. If the Chargers receivers didn't had Vaseline on their gloves, Rivers would have gotten close to 500 passing yards.

Honestly, I don't know why so many people are so high on Ragland. I think it has to do with the KC Star coverage (who apparently adore the guy), but I don't really know.

If I go by what I see, I don't see much from him. Didn't in the Titans loss and didn't today.

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Tyreek is a much more polished receiver than Dante ever was

Raglands problem is in todays NFL a guy like him is very limited, he's great for obvious run downs but with a back like Gordon he has problems.

Hopefully O'Daniel develops fast because he's more of a todays NFL LB type.

The Chargers receivers were our defensive MVPs. Wow, just wow. They were terrible overall, even while that #81 guy was abusing us.

NFL Network reports that Tyreek has 12 50+ yard touchdowns since 2016. The second-place guy has 4.

I think it might be time to just admit that Eric Murray is never going to get it, he has the physical tools but mentally he just doesn't get it. He's late to read and react, late on plays, might be time to just admit that he won't ever get it mentally.

Eric Murray is shit

Yup. I’ve given up on him. I can’t beiieve how much I miss Sorenson.

Dustin Colquitt averaged 52.2 yards gross per punt today on five punts, and he put three of them inside the 20.

I’m still pissed off about this. Houston was held all day. The hold on Jones in the 1st quarter was terrible too.

Isn't is a sign of weak coaching when players are better on other teams but look like crap when playing here?

Don't worry. Bob Sutton will just act like he's Eric Berry and not adjust the gameplan at all to give him any help.

I don’t understand what the **** you want the guy to do.

In what way can he give him help? Seems like you’re just making the assumption that there are easy solutions to multiple personnel issues when there isn’t.

I just got back home from the StubHub Center. AWESOME WIN! Mahomes and Hill looked GREAT! Defense was pretty good too!:arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow:

It seemed like every time I focused on Fiddy, he was getting doubled.

BTW, I'm not crazy about this idea of moving him around so much ... unless we're running a stunt. Let him get in the head of one fatty as the game unfolds.

If you think about it, that's how he got 22.5 sacks. One fatty per game.

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What game are you talking about?

He’s a brain dead mongoloid who doesn’t get that this franchise can’t fix the entire defense in one offseason with no first rd pick.

I want the guy to **** off and die, personally.

People are stupid.

They don't realize Sutton is actually a good coordinator with bad players.

The secondary is garbage.

Yeah, it's not like the defense hasn't been regressing for 3+ years. Oh wait, it has been.

That's...an elightened viewpoint.

Hey, Andy Reid isn't going to hold him responsible for his utter lack of ability to coach his talent so gotta get rid of him some other way.

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WTF

Dude ...

There is more to life than ****ing off and die-ing persons. Especially those persons over whom you have no control or affect. There are unicorns and rainbows and raspberry ice cream and comfortable undergarments.

We won. Pause and count your blessings, for there are many.

FAX THE PHILOSOPHER

Which is why Dorsey was fired.

Veach has had this job 1 year with no first rd pick. It’s gonna take time to fix Dorsey’s massive **** up’s.

I mean, of course I don't actually want the guy to **** off and die. I'm sure he's a wonderful human being when he's not on the sidelines. I just think he absolutely sucks at what he does and want him gone right now.

The defense regressed last year. And it’s completely obvious why it did. Sutton makes for a convenient scapegoat but the talent on that side of the ball is terrible. Dee Ford was the best pass rusher on the field today - think about the for a minute.

I would settle for sending him off to the nursing home where he can watch on TV and play checkers.

They held on for the win didn't they. I didn't say they were GREAT!:banghead:

I'm not buying the talent excuse. That's not the only reason our defense is currently awful. If a play is blown here and there, then fine, blame the talent. This shit happens over and over and over again. Theres an underlying problem with either the scheme itself or the fact that the players aren't prepared to execute their responsibilities. Both of those ultimately fall on Sutton.

Good enough to win! :arrow::thumb:

Sutton vs talent is such a myopic discussion. They are BOTH PROBLEMS. We have sparse talent and Sutton is a goddamn idiot.

The one today that the CHIEFS won.

Ford was good today though. If he plays like that all year that’d be nice

In the case that this isn’t complete sarcasm -

Sutton has reigned over two of the most epic defensive collapses in playoff history. He can eat a bag of dicks.

Look at any middling QB in the league that gets a competent QB coach to help fix him. It's not magic that suddenly makes them better. Coaching plays a large part in the development of talent, and in my opinion Sutton has failed spectacularly in that regard. Once the stalwarts of the previous regimes left or fell off, we've gone downhill fast.

But he is still here and you have to go with him. This team could mirror the Chargers when Don Coryell was the coach.

And the Chiefs can let him walk after the end of this season. He's not worth a big contract at all.

I don’t believe that was the argument at hand.

And you have stated that point-of-view approximately 1,300,983,673 times now, you crazy turtle person. (And that's just since I've been back.)

I'm honestly not certain that another couple hundred times is going to change anything.

Ergo, I encourage you to consider walking on the sunny side of the street. (After utilizing the crosswalk and looking both ways.)

Sometimes it's best to recognize that the 'ol urine does not traverse up the rope.

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Ford was a step short every time when he did get past the OT which he struggled with his piss poor technique

The scheme is so bad, it was the 2nd and 3rd-best scoring defense in the NFL two years ago. Players make plays. That’s the NFL.

I can’t believe anybody that’s watched football for any length of time would think differently. It’s completely obvious what the issue is.

Eh, coaching at this point trumps talent imo

Alex. Smith.

Sutton could have collapsed today except Mahomes not only got a 1st down on the late drive, he hit Sherman in stride and iced the game.

This fan base has seen way too much Martyball.

Coaching has a large part in making players. Sutton has developed 2 players that are worth anything resembling a shot. Peters and Jones. One of them is gone.

Baloney. The best defensive coordinator in the game isn’t going to come in here and fix this. They lack talent on the back end and have zero pass rush. NOBODY would be successful with this crew.

A win is a WIN

You'll have to excuse Superturtle.

He's prone to emotional outbursts that don't make much rational sense.

As you see in this thread...

Eh, not really. The Chargers dropped multiple passes that would have been HUGE gains, including at least one TD that I recall. And Rivers still threw for 424 yards. Would have been over 500 without those drops, and the Chargers would have likely at least tied the game, if not won it. The Chiefs also allowed 5.6 yards per rush.

Really, really, extraordinarily terrible.

Sutton is coordinator, not a position coach. He doesn’t develop players, that’s just silly.

And which players would he develop anyway. To watch this place on draft day, they all suck and are wasted picks right away so what’s he gonna do?

He's part of the reason we're in this mess to begin with.

Coaching is as important now as it’s ever been.

They’re lacking some talent up front but they don’t exactly get put in great spots scheme wise

I recall one of those 'collapses' included an offense that didn't score a single point in the 2nd half.

Not one single solitary ****ing point.

Classic ReidSmith.

The defensive coordinator is responsible for coordinating the defensive unit of the team, including practice and game planning and management. In addition they are responsible for coordination of assistant coaches in each defensive position.

Yeah, I don't think it's much of a stretch to hold Sutton responsible for the lack of developed talent under his watch.

Truth.

Sutton's defense carried Sanchez and the Jets to 2 straight AFCCGs.

Mark. ****ing. Sanchez.

Of course, they had an in-his-prime Revis with Sheldon Richardson et al, in other words, they had good players.

The chiefs won a game today that was never really close and I come here to check it out and this place is bleeding everywhere

Jesus Christ, enjoy it a little bit

Bunch of miserable ****s

We were extremely erratic in the pass rush department. 55 needs a solid, dependable, effective, inside move (and needed it for a long time).

If your front 7 has trouble getting to Rivers, you're going to have real issues with young, mobile QBs, I'm afraid.

I can't wait to see the All-22 (wasn't up a few minutes ago), but Mitch and "No Doubt About It" mentioned several times that we were being held and the refs were ignoring it.

As of now, however, one has to acknowledge that it's a concern.

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Do you blame John Dorsey at all? How about Veach?

I'd love to hear how it's 'all Sutton's fault.'

Bullshit I’m tired of that excuse. We just spent a whole draft on defense and a high priced linebacker and still spotting a team 500+ . You saying we couldn’t have brough in another coordinator in and kept them below 500 yards?

No shit they deserve blame as well. It's not mutually exclusive.

Agreed. And those refs were ATROCIOUS

They gave up a lot of yards in a game where they led by multiple scores the whole game


I mean, yeah, no shit

Just went to Aldi. Tomahawk chopped with a dude in a Chiefs hat coming out.

Driving home saw a dude in a red shirt and yelled CHIEEEEFS as I drove by. Probably scared him before a warm glow of happiness spread through his chest.

I cannot wait to go to Arrowhead in two weeks.

Are you still menstruating?

YES

LOOK WHO'S BACK

MAHOMES MILKSHAKE BRINGS ALL THE BOYS TO THE YARD

ROFL

Bleeding out his vagina all over the board.

I'm sorry you don't like the fact that I'm going to consistently call out how ****ing shit Sutton and his unit are.

I DID NOT MEAN TO NEG REP THE FAX

Arrowhead is going to get me Week 3. I just know it.

Mahomes is going to do something amazing, Arrowhead is going to go NUCLEAR and it will just be too much for the soul that's been trapped inside me for 10 years.

Don't get used to it.

This place is just as loony as ever.

I didn’t log on once today until like 8 pm

It was enjoyable

First game of the Mahomes era. Hill has a HoF game, Mahomes is sharp and no turnovers. The defense played good enough in the first half to create a cushion.

And it's all about Bob Sutton. Only on Chiefsplanet. Literally, ONLY here.

I was over there at the Firestone today