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**** off. You have the fan mindset of a 10 year old because you decided you liked sports in college.

not holding my breath for Rose to be healthy, no doubt

I was wondering when people were going to make jokes like this. Good ol' Onion. LMAO

http://www.theonion.com/articles/bre...ggins-l,36500/

NBA Legion @MySportsLegion · 8h

Report: Cavs are offering multiple teams a future first round pick for an experienced center. (Y!)

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GOOD! Easily the biggest need for the Cavs right now.

id love to see the list of experienced centers they are trying to offer basically a late first for lol


are we talking sammy dalembert here or omar asik

Yep because teams will flock to trade an experienced player at a tough to fill position for a pick that will be in the late 20s.

I hope this is what they are doing. If so, then you can easily package in any combination of three first rounders, Waiters, Thompson, or Bennett. And now, they also have a ton of nonguaranteed contracts they can use as bait. Plenty of uncertain centers for 2015. Gasol may be untouchable, but why not try. Hibbert is an expensive wild card but why not try. Greg Monroe or brook Lopez even if I'm not crazy about their defense. I would love for them to target Al Jefferson, Robin Lopez, DeAndre Jordan, or even asik.

Lots of options. I agree with rust on this one. What the cavs need most is a rim protector and someone who can solidify the defense. A stretch four is very nice to have, but that's a luxury, not a necessity.

I'm glad you named all the unrealistic Cleveland homer pipe dream options besides Asik and Robin Lopez.

While I'm not opposed to trading DJ before he starts demanding a cap-crippling extension, a late first round pick isn't enough of a return for him. I'd imagine the Hornets, Blazers, and Pelicans feel the same away about the other three.

It is simply a list. Most of those guys were at least being shopped or speculated to hit free agency next year. If any of those guys are truly being shopped, none of them will need Wiggins in the trade. Apart from a gasol, but that's a pipe dream. If the cavs don't trade for love, they will have trade chips and plenty of cap space.

A first round pick and one or two of the cavs' young players not named Wiggins is a great haul for a guy they won't keep anyway.

right but it says they are only offering picks for one

it doesn't say they are also trying to offer their scrub first overall pick and the most overrated NBA player on this forum ever in the deal. (That's Bennett and Waiters for those who can't figure it out.)

what would the clippers want with any of those scrubs on the Cavs they would be offering.

none of them would see the floor, ever.

They are overrated because RustShack overhypes them. Bennett is still an unknown but he's still a legit top 10 pick. Waiters is an excellent sixth man. Thompson needs to develop an offensive game but will probably be a solid presence if he plays the four full time instead of center. More importantly, these guys will make mid level money. They are good trade chips for a team that is trying to trade a guy they know they can't keep.

And it says right now they are offering picks. I am sure they are open to moving one or two young guys not named Wiggins, but that's not where you start the negotiation.

Wiggins is the only young Cavs player the Clippers would even want, since we haven't had a legit starting wing since Maggette left. That being said, the Cavs would never trade Wiggins for a soon-to-be-overpaid center with a limited offensive game and poor FT%. Regardless, DJ's rim protection and rebounding is still worth a bit more than a late first-rounder.

Exactly. I don't think anyone is salivating over the cavs trade bait. But it is probably better than what most teams would offer. I think guys like asik and Jordan are excellent fits for the cavs. They fill a big time need, won't destroy their cap, don't demand blue chips like Wiggins, and give the team a veteran starter while still building around their youth and depth.

Maybe Ilgauskas will come out of retirement

Chris Sheridan ‏@sheridanhoops 5m

EXCLUSIVE: #Bulls have offered Taj Gibson, Nikola Mirotic and Doug McDermott to #Twolves for K.Love, per NBA source. http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07...otic-for-love/ …

I don't understand why the Bulls are doing that. I think the have a very formidable team lined up. I really like what they have done this off season.

As stated earlier how far they go really depends on Rose and nothing else.

Not bad at all.

Of course the Wolves would take that. MOAR WHITE GUYZ

The Bulls are trying the same shit the Warriors and Cavs were doing.

"Yeah, we'll take Love, umm... here are some potential decent players and one okay veteran guy... oh, Jimmy Butler? Yeah.... we'd REALLY like to keep him... AND also have Kevin Love... yeah.... so can you do that?"

If the Wolves have been playing hardball with the Cavs like this, you can bet they're going to hold fast on this Chicago deal until Jimmy Butler is included and they find a way to rid themselves of the Kevin Martin contract.

now there are rumors that the sixers want waiters and want in on a deal with the wolves and cavs.

wonder who the cavs would get from that piece? embiid and noel?/ rusty

just thinks love, noel, embiid, varajao, james, irving wiggins(who the wolves cant have).

that's a 10 time champion team right there.


I think the mayor would offer to coach them and get blatt fired/ rusty

When Lebron gets too old, they'll trade him to the Browns for Johnny Manziel /Rust

You guys are cute.

They'd be smart to pursue that. Waiters is basically Allen Iverson. /Rust

I get told that daily

usually by mid 80 year old women but I get told that nonetheless.

Yes, but really...

How would a three team trade look with Philly/Cavs/Wolves in a purely hypothetical universe?

Let's say we started with this... what changes would you see?


CAVS GET
Kevin Love (with opt in)
Kevin Martin

WOLVES GET
Joel Embiid (reunited with Mbah a Moute)
Michael Carter Williams
Anthony Bennett
First round pick (CLE)

SIXERS GET
First round pick (MIA)
Dion Waiters
Andrew Wiggins


Let the flaming begin...

cavs got ****ed

It's what everyone is reporting them offering.

Wiggins
Bennett
Their first
Miami's first

and waiters... but they are taking martin's contract, and have all the scrubs they traded for yesterday too...

im sure if they are punting waiters, wiggins, Bennett, two firsts AND taking on martin they are expecting to get a center along with love.

Ah... yes. I got carried away.

So... Henry Sims? Gorgui Dieng?

I have no idea how the **** Philly gets involved here.

just a little lol, hell that would be two first round picks and a #3 overall and 2 #1 overalls for love and a terrible contract

You're an idiot. We aren't giving up Waiters, Wiggins, AND Bennett.

Hate to troll but have u always been a cavs fan? Or were u a Miami fan last year lol

No I was actually a Spurs fan last year. Liked Miami the two years before that though. Dumbass.

Why would anyone think that someone from Iowa who's a Chiefs/Cyclones/Cavs fan is a bandwagoner?

Joe Cowley: According to the source, Timberwolves reached out to Bulls last night to let them know Cavs offer was best on the table. Gar Forman played poker face for about 12 hours, and then pushed all the chips in this morning. Confirmed Taj and McDermott as well as "other assets.'' Mirotic is still unconfirmed. Twitter @suntimes_hoops - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.ed0cnf0B.dpuf



Joe Cowley: Per source: Forman put a deadline on TWolves response so that there isn't this back-and-forth playing the Cavs and Bulls against each other. If this is going down it could be going down quicker than expected. Twitter @suntimes_hoops - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.ed0cnf0B.dpuf

I realize that. God, why does everything you do have to suck.

It's not that crazy. Try this on for size.

Cavs get embiid and love

Wolves get Wiggins, thaddeus young, cavs picks

Sixers get Bennett, Waiters, Martin, Barrea

The team that loses most is Philly. But they are trying to get rid of young and they don't need two centers.

This looks pretty damn reasonable.

There is a shit ton to like about this for all parties involved. Well, I shouldn't speak for the Sixers, since I have no clue what their needs or interests are.

But the Wolves get the necessary compensation they're looking for, and the Cavs CERTAINLY become a shit **** ton better team in that arrangement.

****... to have a 5 with the mobility of Embiid and his rim-guarding skills? Pair that with Lebron and Kevin Love?

That's a ****ing team, let me tell you.

We agree on something.

If I'm not mistaken, I think Philly is playing to tank this year. But they need to hit a minimum salary threshold. So they are a perfect team to take on bad contracts like Kevin Martin and jj barea.

Philly's the wild card in all of this. Who knows what that franchise will do.

Send Embiid to the Wolves with Dieng going to the Cavs and I think everyone is happy. The Cavs want a C that can play now. Embiid may not play next season. Embiid has a higher offensive upside than Dieng and the Wolves are building longer term.

Of course, I am and idiot, so this probably doesn't work.

Cavs get Dieng and love (and Martin, if they want him)

Wolves get Wiggins, thaddeus young, embiid, cavs picks

Sixers get Bennett, Waiters, Martin (or not), Barrea, (possibly picks from Cavs)

didn't the cavs just have Deng?

Sixers tank the season, end up with a top five pick where they take Okafor/Towns/Cliff Alexander to pair alongside Nerlens Noel.

Or they move bennett to a stretch 4 and go for a wing like Justise Winslow or Stanley Johnson.

I would love Embiid on the Wolves, but we're already two deep at the C position with Pekovic and Dieng, and Pekovic, while not terrible on defense, is far more of an offensive-minded C. That's why Dieng is great to have, because he's an excellent contrast and does different stuff better than Pek does.

Embiid has the potential to be **** balls amazing, but in addition to this being a very unlikely trade, I don't know if it's in the Wolves' best interests right now.

You can acquire all the young budding talent you want, but at some point players got to assert themselves and grow out of the rookie stage. That's the problem the Cavs had up until Lebron joined them.

They had Luol Deng. He's talking about Gorgui Dieng.

Much different dude.

Good point. I just like the idea of stockpiling said talent, since the Wolves have been devoid of it for a while (outside of Love and flashes from Rubio).

There's no reason at all for Philly to trade Embiid for something like that. They're in massive tank mode.

If Dieng/Noel/Embiid is includuded in the deal then I'm interested. But we won't give up both Wiggins and Waiters, so I don't see it working. Cleveland is still saying Wiggins isn't on the table too.

CAVS
Love
Dieng

WOLVES
Embiid
Wiggins
Bennett

SIXERS
Kevin Martin
Dion Waiters
JJ Barea
First round pick (CLE)
First round pick (MIA)


Sixers essentially trade Joel Embiid for Dion Waiters and two first round picks (Miami's is completely unprotected in 2017).

Cavs trade Wiggins, Bennett, Waiters, and two picks for Kevin Love and Gorgui Dieng.

Wolves trade Kevin Love, Kevin Martin, Gorgui Dieng, and JJ Barea for Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, and Joel Embiid.


No idea if that works for the NBA, but I'm fairly certain it would work for all teams involved.

You could replace Noel with embiid. The sixers aren't trying to win now so they can wait. Of the two, I'd easily take embiid. Even if I'm the cavs, if I have to wait for embiid to be ready, I absolutely jump on that opportunity.

And again, the Wolves owner has been saying that Kevin Love isn't on the table, either.

Likely story, right?

The Wolves are apparently interested in Thaddeus Young in this arrangement.

Also, I like this because it would basically put Shabazz Muhammed into the starting SG role. He did fairly well for what little he played last season, so as a rebuilding team this would give us a good long look at what we actually have in terms of talent.

Behind Shabazz, though? Uhh... wow... we've got Alexei Shved and Zach LaVine as a combo guard who's still really really raw.

When in doubt, tank the season, though, right?

If the cavs are getting love and a center like Noel or embiid, they should give up Waiters, Wiggins, Bennett, and picks. The trade scenario is one where everyone wins. Cavs get a stud but also a first contact rim protector, Minnesota gets an excellent young veteran and a huge prospect plus unloads bad contracts, Philly gets some young talent yet sets themselves up to tank this year while staying above the minimum salary threshold. This is a deal I would do cartwheels over and Minnesota should too.

I'm guessing the Sixers hate the trade (in retrospect).

Probably, but they'd definitely be in position to land a skilled big in next year's draft. And that player would see the floor the same time Embiid does. They also solidify their backcourt while going into a draft loaded with big men and a dearth of guards.

Everyone gets what they want:

Cleveland wins now.
Minnesota gets massive star potential
Philadelphia gets to suck for another year while stockpiling future assets.

While at the same time trading away their most valuable asset (a potential super elite franchise player). Never going to happen.

If I had to bet on whether or not Embiid ever plays for the Sixers, I'd absolutely bet against it.

What are they going to do with both Embiid and Noel? Neither dude is very fit to play PF, as mobile as they are for 7 footers.

They've got loads of time to figure that out (as well as time to watch them play together). They're in full tank mode for a few years yet to come. It's awesome.

And when they have a top 3 pick next year, and are looking at Okafor, Towns, Cliff, and Porzingis... they'll field offers.

Remember who their GM is.

agreed.

only issue is if the cavs want to wait a maybe a year for their center

you are a ****ing idiot.

period.

if they can get that haul they better damn well give it up

maybe they will move noel

Somebody who won't throw away a talent like Embiid for Waiters and some lottery tickets, yeah. He's not going anywhere any time soon.

Noel's been tearing it up in the summer leagues! He's basically Olajuwon! /Rustshack's twin brother who lives in Philly

Lol. Once again we'll see who the idiot is when that trade doesn't happen.

Considering it was a trade I invented during happy play time, no... it's not happening.

The Sixers are in the mix. And they want to unload Thaddeus Young. We know that much. Sixers apparently want Waiters. The Cavs were searching for a Center. Wolves want to unload Barea and Martin. Wolves seem to want more than just Wiggins and Bennett. We're connecting plenty of dots here.

It's possible the trade I proposed doesn't involve a Center, in which case Bennett isn't in that deal. I just don't see any reason the Cavs would be making the claim they're hunting for a Center if that wasn't a piece to this puzzle.

Wonder if there's any way a three way deal gets done where neither wiggins nor embiid end up in Minnesota. Not saying that as a Jayhawk fan, just... those are clearly the top bargaining chips.

In case you haven't already figured it out, you're the idiot, regardless of whether or not a fan-created trade happens.

Seems to me that a 3-way deal could use the Celtics, with Rondo going to Cleveland and Irving going to Boston. Boston could then be used to add to the non-guaranteed contracts that the Wolves want. Bogans has the second largest non-guaranteed deal in the NBA, as I recall.

CAVS GET
Love
Dieng

WOLVES GET
Waiters
Bennett
Young
First round pick (CLE)
First round pick (MIA)

SIXERS GET
Wiggins
Kevin Martin
JJ Barea

FYI, I think financially this trade absolutely works.

Cleveland's incoming salary is 17.1M.

Philly's incoming salary is 16.9M. (assuming 5.4M for Wiggins - what Bennett got).

Minnesota's incoming salary is 19M.