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mr. tegu 04-10-2013 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9574772)
I'm enjoying this trip down memory lane.

How about "best season by a Royal that nobody remembers"? I'll nominate Dean Palmer 1998. .278/34/119

Brian Bannister 2007 - 12-9, 3.87 ERA, 3rd in AL ROY voting just in front of Dice K.

siberian khatru 04-10-2013 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9574736)
Nominations for the all washed-up team:

Bill Buckner
Pat Tabler
Wally Joyner
Greg Jeffries
Jason Kendall
Benito Santiago

Jefferies wasn't washed up. He hit .342 the year after we traded him, .325 the year after that.

Saul Good 04-10-2013 12:25 PM

Greg Gagne for all washed up...

Bowser 04-10-2013 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9574727)
How about favorite Royals who weren't very good?

I loved Mike McDougle...Rusty Meachem, too.

Bob Hamelin was awesome.

Warren Cromartie
Hubie Brooks

Kila Kia'ahue

gblowfish 04-10-2013 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9574787)
Several of those guys were far from washed up.

Depends on how you define it.

Many of these guys were just playing out the string here. Others went on to play better elsewhere once they left here (Like Jeffries and Stairs). Hell, look at what Raul Ibanez did after he left KC.

All of these guys on the list had their best years elsewhere, that's for sure.

Deberg_1990 04-10-2013 12:29 PM

Jose Guillen was a fan favorite

gblowfish 04-10-2013 12:31 PM

My favorite players that were not "Stars?"

How about:

Sal Fasano
Carlos Febles
Jose Rosado
Kurt Bevaqua
Pete LaCock
Aaron Guile

Saul Good 04-10-2013 12:31 PM

Jose Offerman 1998. .315, 102 runs scored, 13 triples, 45 SB, 191 hits, 89 walks, .403 OBP

Saul Good 04-10-2013 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9574802)
Depends on how you define it.

Many of these guys were just playing out the string here. Others went on to play better elsewhere once they left here (Like Jeffries and Stairs). Hell, look at what Raul Ibanez did after he left KC.

All of these guys on the list had their best years elsewhere, that's for sure.

Gaetti had a monster year for us.

Saul Good 04-10-2013 12:34 PM

Kevin Seitzer 1987. .323, 105 runs scored, 207 hits, .399 OBP.

gblowfish 04-10-2013 12:35 PM

Well we certainly agree that Greg Gagne sucked it. :)

Funny that we're arguing about who sucked less in our team's history.
Sad, really....

Deberg_1990 04-10-2013 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9574813)
Jose Offerman 1998. .315, 102 runs scored, 13 triples, 45 SB, 191 hits, 89 walks, .403 OBP

thats a name i was trying to remember. He had some anger management issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Offerman

Alot of those 90s teams we had decent hitters, just god awful starting pitching outside of Appier.

Saul Good 04-10-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9574829)
thats a name i was trying to remember. He had some anger management issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Offerman

Alot of those 90s teams we had decent hitters, just god awful starting pitching outside of Appier.

He's the all-time Royals leader in batting average.

DJ's left nut 04-10-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9574812)
My favorite players that were not "Stars?"

How about:

Sal Fasano
Carlos Febles
Jose Rosado
Kurt Bevaqua
Pete LaCock
Aaron Guile

I was a big Jim Eisenreich fan.

Saul Good 04-10-2013 12:46 PM

Who can name this Royal based off of a single season?

Hit .316/31/100 with 35 doubles despite playing only 132 games

Demonpenz 04-10-2013 12:49 PM

is that bo? I thought bo had 32 homeruns as his max though.

mr. tegu 04-10-2013 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9574855)
Who can name this Royal based off of a single season?

Hit .316/31/100 with 35 doubles despite playing only 132 games

Jermaine Dye.

Deberg_1990 04-10-2013 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9574855)
Who can name this Royal based off of a single season?

Hit .316/31/100 with 35 doubles despite playing only 132 games

Wally Joyner?

Saul Good 04-10-2013 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9574866)
is that bo? I thought bo had 32 homeruns as his max though.

Not Bo

DJ's left nut 04-10-2013 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9574866)
is that bo? I thought bo had 32 homeruns as his max though.

Bo Jackson couldn't hit .316 in tee ball.

Saul Good 04-10-2013 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9574869)
Jermaine Dye.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9574871)
Wally Joyner?

No to both

mr. tegu 04-10-2013 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9574876)
No to both

A five year span hint? Like 1995 to 2000?

Demonpenz 04-10-2013 12:51 PM

Gerrold Perry

SPchief 04-10-2013 12:52 PM

Dean Palmer

Deberg_1990 04-10-2013 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9574876)
No to both

Danny Tartabull?

Saul Good 04-10-2013 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9574880)
A five year span hint? Like 1995 to 2000?

Hint: It was his best year for BA as a Royal but not for HRs nor RBI.

Saul Good 04-10-2013 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9574888)
Danny Tartabull?

1991

BigCatDaddy 04-10-2013 12:54 PM

Tartabull!

DJ's left nut 04-10-2013 12:55 PM

Danny Tartabul

EDIT: Q

Hootie 04-10-2013 12:56 PM

pitchers are too good anymore

we're not going to see a whole lot of 40 HR seasons ever again

**** all of the people that made steroids so frowned upon

Saul Good 04-10-2013 12:56 PM

Here's a trivia tidbit about Tartabull (not 100% sure it's accurate, though): Before Jeff Francouer, he was the last Royal to start in RF two seasons in a row.



Jermaine Dye may have, but I don't think so.

BigMeatballDave 04-10-2013 12:58 PM

Mike Sweeney

DJ's left nut 04-10-2013 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9574914)
pitchers are too good anymore

we're not going to see a whole lot of 40 HR seasons ever again

**** all of the people that made steroids so frowned upon

We're only going to see guys hit 40 that are legitimate 40 HR guys.

I was tired of seeing guys flip their wrists when they were off-balance and drive balls 340 to the opposite field. For ****'s sake, we were seeing broken bat homers. The game was way the hell out of whack.

Guys like Stanton and Harper will have 40 HR years and in really good years may challenge 50. In other words, baseball will be sane again.

Hootie 04-10-2013 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9574934)
We're only going to see guys hit 40 that are legitimate 40 HR guys.

I was tired of seeing guys flip their wrists when they were off-balance and drive balls 340 to the opposite field. For ****'s sake, we were seeing broken bat homers. The game was way the hell out of whack.

Guys like Stanton and Harper will have 40 HR years and in really good years may challenge 50. In other words, baseball will be sane again.

that's fine and all but it's like the reverse hockey

if you like pitching duels, that's all fine and dandy

personally, I miss guys jacking 500 foot bombs

I wish they were still taking handfuls of greenies and pumping themselves full of adrenaline and testosterone and horse steroids

I miss Sammy Sosa and his 66 bombs, .360 BA and 165 RBI's

THOSE WERE THE DAYS

BigMeatballDave 04-10-2013 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9574931)
Mike Sweeney

Nope

Hootie 04-10-2013 01:01 PM

can you imagine Alex Gordon pumped full of steroids/amphetamines/crack? That dude would hit .400 and 50 bombs...all of those doubles would be homeruns...

lets find him some creme clear or whatever and see what happens

Archie F. Swin 04-10-2013 01:02 PM

seems like Mike Sweeney only played 132 games

Saul Good 04-10-2013 01:03 PM

More Royals obscure trivia:

The career hit leaders for the Royals starts:

Brett
White
Otis
Wilson
McRae
Sweeney

Who comes next?

Hootie 04-10-2013 01:04 PM

Damon

Saul Good 04-10-2013 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9574962)
Damon

No

BigMeatballDave 04-10-2013 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9574946)

I miss Sammy Sosa and his 66 bombs, .360 BA and 165 RBI's

THOSE WERE THE DAYS

360 BA? LOL I don't think he got much higher than 320.

Saul Good 04-10-2013 01:05 PM

Strange tidbit: This player is exactly seventh in hits, doubles, and RBI.

Deberg_1990 04-10-2013 01:06 PM

ok, How about worst Royals team of all time? 2006, 2005, 2004, 2002, 2009, 2001, 1999, 1997, 1969, 1970...any other year?




http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/KCR/

Hootie 04-10-2013 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9574969)
360 BA? LOL I don't think he got much higher than 320.

yeah maybe it was only .330 I thought it was higher one of those ridiculous 2000/2001 years

teedubya 04-10-2013 01:07 PM

Juan Gonzalez... he should be added to the Ass Face list of mediocre has-been turds.

Mr. Arrowhead 04-10-2013 01:43 PM

My goodness, this is just reminding me that we deserve a good year after all the shit we have been through

Great Expectations 04-10-2013 01:49 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/2...on-to-be-happy

Movin on up

Jenson71 04-10-2013 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9574960)
More Royals obscure trivia:

The career hit leaders for the Royals starts:

Brett
White
Otis
Wilson
McRae
Sweeney

Who comes next?

Jeff King?

Saul Good 04-10-2013 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by La literatura (Post 9575111)
Jeff King?

No. King had only 264 his as a Royal.

DeezNutz 04-10-2013 01:57 PM

Johnny Damon?

Saul Good 04-10-2013 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9575121)
Johnny Damon?

No

Saul Good 04-10-2013 02:02 PM

Hint time: This player played for the Royals twice. He also played for the Pirates twice.

DJ's left nut 04-10-2013 02:02 PM

Okay, moving on to my next silly hypothetical trade offer that is essentially impossible.

Allen Craig and his shiny new team friendly contract for Kelvin Herrera and Tim Collins?

Craig would get Frenchy off the field. I know it would come at a hell of a cost, but Craig's a legitimate middle of the order hitter that's stepped up huge in WS play and makes $6 million/season for the next 5 seasons.

Craig will give you at least what Myers would've been likely to give you over the next 5 seasons, so if you look at replacing Myers with Craig, the trade becomes James Shields for Herrera and Collins.

Isn't that a deal worth making for both teams?

Demonpenz 04-10-2013 02:03 PM

Randatime

Demonpenz 04-10-2013 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9575132)
Okay, moving on to my next silly hypothetical trade offer that is essentially impossible.

Allen Craig and his shiny new team friendly contract for Kelvin Herrera and Tim Collins?

Craig would get Frenchy off the field. I know it would come at a hell of a cost, but Craig's a legitimate middle of the order hitter that's stepped up huge in WS play and makes $6 million/season for the next 5 seasons.

Craig will give you at least what Myers would've been likely to give you over the next 5 seasons, so if you look at replacing Myers with Craig, the trade becomes James Shields for Herrera and Collins.

Isn't that a deal worth making for both teams?


we will give you Holland and his shit rags....errr fangraphs

Saul Good 04-10-2013 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9575134)
Randatime

Bam

DJ's left nut 04-10-2013 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9575136)
we will give you Holland and his shit rags....errr fangraphs

Thanks but no thanks.

We already have a nice setup guy that gets the yips in the 9th, we don't need another.

DeezNutz 04-10-2013 02:13 PM

Cards fans are making me believe that the Royals are headed in the right direction.

Saul Good 04-10-2013 02:15 PM

Here is my nomination for the most under-rated Royal of all time:

4 time all-star (3 as a Royal)

Finished top 10 in MVP voting two years in a row. (both as a Royal)

Highest single season WAR by any Royal besides George Brett.

Best offensive player in team history at his position.

Best defensive player in team history at his position.

Had one of the best seasons in team history with a .291/20/112 while scoring 100 runs, leading the league with 121 walks, and an incredible .421 OBP.

Who is it?

Jenson71 04-10-2013 02:17 PM

I was going to guess Randa, but I thought Jeff King played longer than that for us.

Ebolapox 04-10-2013 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9575163)
Here is my nomination for the most under-rated Royal of all time:

4 time all-star (3 as a Royal)

Finished top 10 in MVP voting two years in a row. (both as a Royal)

Highest single season WAR by any Royal besides George Brett.

Best offensive player in team history at his position.

Best defensive player in team history at his position.

Had one of the best seasons in team history with a .291/20/112 while scoring 100 runs, leading the league with 121 walks, and an incredible .421 OBP.

Who is it?

carlos beltran

mr. tegu 04-10-2013 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9574919)
Here's a trivia tidbit about Tartabull (not 100% sure it's accurate, though): Before Jeff Francouer, he was the last Royal to start in RF two seasons in a row.



Jermaine Dye may have, but I don't think so.

That is crazy if true.

Deberg_1990 04-10-2013 02:24 PM

random thought....imagine our rotation if we still had Grienke?

Grienke, Shields, Santana, Guthrie, Davis/Mendoza


Championship!!!

DJ's left nut 04-10-2013 02:25 PM

Carlos is going to just miss being a HOFer, IMO.

The guy has been criminally underrated his entire career. You'll be hard pressed to find a CFer that played the position better than he did that was also a 300 HR, 300 SB player.

He's just done everything so smoothly his whole career that it's hard to appreciate just how well he's done it.

Carlos Beltran is one of the most preternaturally gifted players you'll ever see play. I'd have given anything to see him steer clear of NY for those years and stay healthy. Had he stayed in Houston, he'd have done some amazing things statistically and he'd have been right in the middle of some great Astros teams through middle of the decade. He'd have possibly won a WS in 2005.

I was just commenting today during the Cardinals game that when Beltran is 80 and in a walker, he'll still have top-shelf bat whip. The guy's wrists just slash the bathead through the hitting zone and create some of the sweetest, easiest power you'll find.

If he'd have been a life-long Royal, he'd have challenged Brett as the greatest player in Royals history.

mr. tegu 04-10-2013 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9575176)
random thought....imagine our rotation if we still had Grienke?

Grienke, Shields, Santana, Guthrie, Davis/Mendoza


Championship!!!

Minus Cain and Escobar. We don't need Grienke. We just needed Duffy and/or Paulino to not be out for so long.

DJ's left nut 04-10-2013 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9575176)
random thought....imagine our rotation if we still had Grienke?

Grienke, Shields, Santana, Guthrie, Davis/Mendoza


Championship!!!

You'd be without a SS and CFer. You'd also have been missing one of the key components to the Shields trade.

The Royals made out quite well in the Greinke deal. It's never good to give up an ace, but to get a plus SS and CFer out of the deal is a pretty good return. You've replaced a very scarce resource (#1 SP) with 2 very scarce resources (well rounded hitters at defensively premium positions).

That's why the Royals are so dangerous - at 3 of the most important defensive positions on the field - C, SS and CF - you guys have people that can hold their own with the bat.

Saul Good 04-10-2013 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebolapox (Post 9575167)
carlos beltran

No

DJ's left nut 04-10-2013 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9575158)
Cards fans are making me believe that the Royals are headed in the right direction.

Cards fans are a little jittery about the fact that we presently have Pete Kozma and Mitchell Boggs at SS and CL respectively while we have 2 absolute stud prospects in Taveras and Adams that are completely blocked.

Somebody help us fill one of the goddamn holes and you'll get a really good player back for your efforts.

Bowser 04-10-2013 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9575163)
Here is my nomination for the most under-rated Royal of all time:

4 time all-star (3 as a Royal)

Finished top 10 in MVP voting two years in a row. (both as a Royal)

Highest single season WAR by any Royal besides George Brett.

Best offensive player in team history at his position.

Best defensive player in team history at his position.

Had one of the best seasons in team history with a .291/20/112 while scoring 100 runs, leading the league with 121 walks, and an incredible .421 OBP.

Who is it?

Frank White

Saul Good 04-10-2013 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9575189)
Frank White

No

DeezNutz 04-10-2013 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9575186)
Cards fans are a little jittery about the fact that we presently have Pete Kozma and Mitchell Boggs at SS and CL respectively while we have 2 absolute stud prospects in Taveras and Adams that are completely blocked.

Somebody help us fill one of the goddamn holes and you'll get a really good player back for your efforts.

By trading Myers, the Royals have gone all in for the next two years. So you want pieces? Start looking at the farm because the viable parts on the ML roster are off limits, unless you're going to start grabbing ankles.

Bowser 04-10-2013 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9575191)
No

Huh. Willie WIlson? If no, I'll let someone else give it a shot.

Saul Good 04-10-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9575203)
Huh. Willie WIlson? If no, I'll let someone else give it a shot.

Nope.

Remember...this is my nomination for the most under-rated Royal ever. Can't really put Beltran, White, and Wilson in that category.

Deberg_1990 04-10-2013 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9575163)
Here is my nomination for the most under-rated Royal of all time:

4 time all-star (3 as a Royal)

Finished top 10 in MVP voting two years in a row. (both as a Royal)

Highest single season WAR by any Royal besides George Brett.

Best offensive player in team history at his position.

Best defensive player in team history at his position.

Had one of the best seasons in team history with a .291/20/112 while scoring 100 runs, leading the league with 121 walks, and an incredible .421 OBP.

Who is it?

Amos Otis?

gblowfish 04-10-2013 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9575176)
random thought....imagine our rotation if we still had Grienke?

Grienke, Shields, Santana, Guthrie, Davis/Mendoza


Championship!!!

I'd much much much rather have Esky and Lo-Cain.
And Odorizzi helped us get Shields.

Grienke is about the money. He's not a team guy.

Saul Good 04-10-2013 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9575213)
Amos Otis?

No

Bowser 04-10-2013 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9575210)
Nope.

Remember...this is my nomination for the most under-rated Royal ever. Can't really put Beltran, White, and Wilson in that category.

Ah yes. Overlooked that tidbit.

Who could have been under-rated, yet led the team at his position all time? :hmmm:

DJ's left nut 04-10-2013 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9575197)
By trading Myers, the Royals have gone all in for the next two years. So you want pieces? Start looking at the farm because the viable parts on the ML roster are off limits, unless you're going to start grabbing ankles.

Have fun trying to 'win now' with Jeff Francouer in the middle of your order.

Ebolapox 04-10-2013 02:39 PM

darrell porter?

Bowser 04-10-2013 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9575219)
Have fun trying to 'win now' with Jeff Francouer in the middle of your order.

Excuse me. BOTTOM of the order. (but point taken)


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