The best defensive player we've had the last 4 years? Sure (albeit, not saying much considering the lack of talent we've had there until about 2 years ago.) Still not even in the ballpark of DT. DT was a generational talent, and there was absolutely no doubt he was a Hall of Famer.

Comparing his impact to that of Chris Jones, who honestly, would be very much on the path to the Hall of Very Good (and very well still might be) without Mahomes and Reid, achieves nothing.

Just leave it at that CJ95 is the best player on our defense, we don't need to compare him to an unquestionable Hall of Famer. People have been doing the same comparing him to Donald. Donald literally has more DPOY awards than Jones has DPOY 1st place votes. We cannot equate them as the same player or the same impact.

We all have a bit of Homer in us, I get it, but by making conflated statements (even indirectly) comparing him to Derrick Thomas, it doesn't contribute any real value to a conversation. It just comes across as a shallow attempt of emotional appeal with no real worth.

Every year, there is a new group of "The sky is falling unless we overpay"

First it was Hill, Then it was Brown, now its Jones. People here tend to want to overpay players in the comfort of knowing what we have rather than believing in what has shown to be one of, if not the best front office in the NFL.

You don't build dynasties by overpaying players. Jones is not the 2nd best defensive player in football and also is not comparable to Aaron Donald, and I cannot mentally justify paying him as such.

Regardless of what happens, Veach and Reid have a plan, and will find a way.

He won't get tagged. That's over 30 mil. He will walk into FA and we will let him at 30 years old. If his price doesn't come down and right now it doesn't look like it will, then he's gone in 24 because Veach is not going to give in and screw the team.

I do think the tag is tough, but possible. We'll still be able to do some stuff to manuever the FA market even if we tag him, but regardless we'll see when it's all done though.

There's just too much trade value there to be left on the table to not make it work.

Prove you $30 million tag number.

Trust me, it's actually 33.6M, we already had a whole transition and non transition tag rules discussion much earlier in the thread. Even dug out exact language

He can't. The franchise tag for a DT this year is under 19 mil. Which is less than what Jones is getting in base salary this year so Jones tag number would be 120% of this year's salary. Which is still nowhere close to 30 mil.

Its 120% of the current CAP number minus performance incentives. Base Salary is NOT the number that applies.

Source: Look somewhere around post 150 when a group of us were talking about it and someone dug it out of the NFL website.

Jones' postseason performance last year was better than any postseason performance of DT.

I finally voted that CJ will get paid by KC Chiefs KCMO. It'll happen today now.

This has to be trolling... right? I'm unsure anymore with some of the takes I see on here.... I mean, Donald was better literally the year before in the playoffs... not to mention Joe Greene, Warren Sapp, Alan Page, and well... countless more players who had phenomenal postseasons and phenomenal careers.

His trade value is now before the deadline this year not next year when's he's older and tagged and that's only if he comes in and plays well.

He has trade value next year. Especially if he plays well. If he doesn't have that value, then that solves our problem because noone would be offering him a contract that he wants, or is close to his 30M AAV

I can't find anyone who has been tagged recently that would have gotten the tag in that manner so based off that info and the details in the thread, I'll admit that it definitely appears that I was wrong.

I think he meant Derrick Thomas.

Yeah, it's one of those curious situations that noone was quite 100% sure of so we all did a little work to find out lmao