So,to be clear, your solution is to bring in people who have not won Superbowls. Because those who have, never do it with another organization...so the idea is to bring in people who don't have any discernible success...that way they won't have the whole "impossible to win with another organization" monkey on their back. Awesome... :spock:

Winning more than 100 games in a decade is not a failure as a coach. I don't give two shits what you say. Esp Levy who took his team to 4 straight SB's. Just getting to a single SB is incredibly tough, getting to 4 is crazy. Even if they lost. It's even crazier for you to call head coaches who won 100+ games in a decade and one who went to 4 SB's a failure. you're a ****ing moron. Esp if you say that ultimately Levy was, but then that he wasn't. He wasn't. Period.

I'm not changing the criteria whatsoever. I have a nuanced argument and you're too stupid to understand it. That's not my problem.

Case in point: SB success replication.

Who do you offer for a rebuttal?

Andy Reid. Well, where else did he serve as HC and bring in all the guys he'd had elsewhere?

Marv Levy. Well, where else did he go to a SB other than Buffalo

Marty. How many SBs did he go to in Cleveland and KC combined?

By the way, the Marty example is particularly stupid, given that he was extremely flexible with the schemes (3-4 and 4-3, WCO, Air Coryell, Smashmouth) that he ran.

Maybe if you spent more time looking at NFL history rather than jamming a needle full of Deca into your ass you'd understand the argument that I'm making: you can't reinvent the wheel, especially when you are missing the key ingredients.

You know why Jimmy Johnson, Bill Walsh, Carmen Policy, Bill Parcells, etc. all failed when they left their area of initial success?

Because they didn't have Troy Aikman, Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Ken Norton, Joe Montana, Freddie Solomon, Dwight Clark, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, Ricky Watters, Steve Young, John Taylor, Phil Simms, Carl Banks, LT, or Mark Bavaro.

We're trying to make a Patriots cake without sugar and flour. Good luck.

The goal is still a championship, right? Or are we getting a participation trophy?

Marty can coach, but his time in KC produced one AFC title game appearance. This isn't and cannot be enough.

And the fact that you put Reid on that list was humorous.

Yes. Hamas and Mecca stand by the theory that you should think outside the box, and bring in guys who have not won championships and are "up n comers" because for some reason, these guys have all the answers. Hiring guys that worked with Belichik is stupid because BB was the mastermind. However they will also tell you that he's really not a mastermind, that he was just lucky because Brady fell into his lap. And nevermind that Pioli drafted Brady, that was luck too.

So I guess everyone in that Pats dynasty was lucky. I guess I will take a lucky dynasty if that is an option on the table.

Brady was Pioli's selection? Really?

No, my solution is that the guy that you last worked with may not axiomatically be the best guy for the job just because you worked with him.

Funny how history bears that out.

Hires should be based on a meritocracy, not cronyism, and history bears that out.

I used those guys as an example because you are saying the only "success" there is, is a SB win. If that's the card you want to play then there are a lot of guys out there that will end up in the hall that never won a SB.

I've already shot down your Bill Walsh/Policy bullshit. Not rehashing it.

Hmmmmm, the deca comment is funny. I know there is some poster on here that thinks I am a poster from another site (someone alerted me to this and told me that's where this is coming from) but I haven't lifted weights in a loooong time.

I do enjoy the fact that people on here think I am previous posters, a poster from another board (from some asshole who thinks he is smarter than he is that I have been playing with the help of another poster), and I also was a backup at a JUCO school in a part of the country I never played football in.

You can't make this shit up.

No, that's bullshit that you just pulled out of your ass because you're getting owned.

Just like Hootie.

Tom Coughlin/Kevin Gilbride.

Now shut the **** up.

You couldn't own me with a title in your hand bitch. That's what is so funny about you. You talk in circles and think you're out smarting everyone, all the while ignoring it when people smack your shit down. You are a god damned ass clown.

The biggest difference between what Jimmy and the others tried is that they went to other organizations as head coaches. Haley is a first time head coach bringing in former OC's\NFL and college coaches.

OK, so just winning SB's together is not meritorious...it would be better to bring dudes who have won superbowls, but just not together. A room full of successful strangers if you will...cuz if they know each other and have had success together in the past, the only reason they are wanting to work together again is cuz they are cronies...not because.. they are any good or anything...

I forgot that they handed out rings for Wild Card berths.

No. You think you did, but you didn't.

Greg ****ing Robinson has two SB wins as a coordinator. Vermeil trotted out that tired excuse for him all the time.

I'm sure he was so much better than other options based on his "success" in Denver, and that success was solely attributable to him.