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But man, a 'hold-in' is just so easy. Getting some hobo-spirit or just not playing as hard. Even if it's not on purpose, we SAW what Mathieu did when he started worrying about his next deal. If you're not there 100%, you're just not there. Business Decision Mathieu did a lot of damage to his reputation here and it was absolutely earned. I don't want to see a repeat with Jones. Even if he's here, if the well has been poisoned, I don't know that calling his bluff is even a good idea anymore. We may have reached a puke point in this situation. **** **** **** this sucks. |
Yeah that’s kinda the vibe I got from Andy at his presser
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He seems like a leader, too, in clips from The Franchise and general voice bits from the team, he's incredibly intelligent with what he says, how he holds himself, and he fires up others on the team. Obviously if this continues then we get what we can from him and move on. But as others have said, I would've liked to see him stay a Chief for life. |
Damnit. I have a bad feeling about this whole thing now.
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I don't think anyone wants a Tyrann Mathieu analogue on the defensive line for a season.
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Somehow the Chiefs are just going to trade with the Bears who forgot to call the 49ers and offer the same thing for a better player? Tooth fairy visiting later? |
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Bears 1st Chiefs 2nd Felix or George, they pick Chiefs get: Bosa Dexter Bears get: Jones |
Unfortunately for Jones Irsay has already floated the new protocol going forward if players want to play the hold in card. NFI list and do it again next year. And no, it actually is in his best interest to play his best ball if he's aiming for 30 plus per. He might not even get that right now, much less after a down year.
It's already gotten to the point the sides are a bit angry at each other. Oh well. He still comes in week 1 and balls out if he actually has a brain. He can hold out until midseason or dog it if he's dumb, but even that does much more long term damage to himself than to the Chiefs. |
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If you have Omenihu, you can be patient with Jones and hope he comes to his senses. If you don't, you might just have to dump him to keep yourself in solid shape over the first 6 weeks of the season. It would surprise me at all if this is yet another example of Katz (whoever the **** he is) just not playing his cards well. |
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But yeah, as to your question If it gets to that point or is there I would have no problem taking that deal. Dexter is like 32.5 arm length and that will effect him playing 3. Doesn't mean he can't play some there. I see it as Arik Armstead at nose when Buckner was still there. But i would have to goal to find another 6-4 to 6-6 type DT with the long arm length starting in next year's draft or potential trade targets if they are actually available. That's the thing about the Jones, Seymour, those numerous types don't come along often. But in Dexter they would have a piece to work with that they could hopefully teach to swat passes at the very least beings he's 6-6. Then it opens up cap space to say not worry about guaranteeing Shelton's contract with the possibility of him not playing all season. The week one roster rule for vet contracts. Or add Ioannidis. Or Wormley later. And/or Dunlop or Robert Quinn or whoever. They would have the cap room to add when needed with the veterans out there. With or w/o CJ95 that DT group is getting rebuilt. I obviously hope it's with him. If they have to rebuild on the run they have the right DL coach and getting Dexter interesting. You would hope the D as a whole could come together. Not ideal timing that's for sure |
possibly Zacch Pickens instead of Dexter
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Arrowhead Pride has a great article breaking down just about every question that you could have about the implications for Jones holding out. For example, his 2024 cap number is decreased by $1.3M for every game that he holds out. The article is way too long to post, and Arrowhead Pride isn't behind a pay wall. So, I'm just going to post the link. If one of you think that it needs to be posted, go ahead.
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2023/...-jones-holdout |
Also, the article says that if he were to report week 8, the tag next year would be about $24M. He has no leverage. He's only hurting himself by holding out. If his agent hasn't explained this to him, he needs a new agent.
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I love it. I hope ge does holdout until game 8 so save us some money. We do not need him until the end of the season anyway and it also helps ensure he doesnt get injured. Absolutely perfect situation for the Chiefs to be in. His agent must be the dumbest person alive.
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That's why I'm pretty sure the 8 game thing was a troll. Makes no sense for him on any level. Well on 1 level it does. If he's holding out while demanding a trade. But there would be limited in season buyers at his price range so yeah, back to it not making any sense. |
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If you believe that SF is trading the DPOY for a 1, 2, and a scrub d lineman, it's time for you to permanently log off CP, and get back to your piece of trash Madden videogame, and make your reality defying trades until your mom tells you it's time to go night night. |
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I love the proposed trade where we get both Bosa and Dexter. But San Francisco can’t possibly be that dumb. And then you think about the Trey Lance debacle and maybe they could. But I don’t think so. |
He's become the Buffalo Bills. Get a postseason sack(beat the Chiefs). Your ego kamikazes your future
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In a league with a long history of players making stupid contract decisions this one is right up at the top of the bad decision list.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For what it’s worth, Michael Katz (Chris Jones’ agent) was in Kansas City last night. Enjoyed some good Joe’s KC BBQ.. <a href="https://t.co/XJjGushtK1">pic.twitter.com/XJjGushtK1</a></p>— Farzin Vousoughian (@Farzin21) <a href="https://twitter.com/Farzin21/status/1695876406733902175?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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I'll take any kind of positive spin at this point.
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They said before the browns chiefs game that KC was confident after the game is over that they will get something figured out with Chris so he’s in KC this year and possibly beyond.
I mentioned it a week or 2 ago, but if I’m CJ95s agent, I offer for my client to show up game 1 if a promise to not use the tag on him next year is agreed on. That’s what Silverback did. If I’m Veach, I probably decline that option, though. See you week 8 and we will tag you next year and you can tank your value even more and hit free agency at 31…your choice, Chris. Balls in your court. |
No more Joes for Chris..sorry bout your luck
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Just like Hill, clearing out the $28-$30 million per season allows us to keep others like…..Bolton, Creed, Sneed and Smith when their contracts are up next year. |
My optimistic prediction is that he reports Monday, which gives him 10 days to get prepared for limited snaps in Game 1, then another 10 days to get more into game shape for Game 2. So one game in 20 days gives him time to start ramping up for the regular season.
But that probably makes too much sense. Who knows what he’s thinking. |
Chiefs are currently 10 mil over the cap, they have to be under by cut down day. Basically if Jones were to sign long term, he has till Tuesday
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10 mill? I thought we were flush up against the cap...what happened?
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Time to let Jones eat it. Selfish BS. Will easily cost the Chiefs home field at the very least. I also agree he will give it a dont get hurt effort when he does show up.
Please dont tell me they need to " take care of their family". That slaps every fan in the face! KC needs to start forcing guys to negotiate their deals prior to the draft. No deal then trade them. Make that a clear message. Waiting till later hurts the team long term. KC has lost the opportunity to sign another free agent or two. KC has other players to extend next year at top dollar. Kelce is more valuable and plays for half what Jones wants. Yes I know TE get less. If you had to choose Kelce or Jones who would you keep? Jones is a selfish ass. |
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I see $748,038 under the cap. Maybe I’m looking at the wrong site. Where do you see $10M over? Thanks |
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I really want Chris Jones on this team. That being said, if he comes in and gets hurt in week 4 or something I'm going to be livid. I know it's likely not possible to know if he'd had the conditioning of camp if the injury wouldn't have happened, but I'm probably going to think that way.
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I'm not about the number or much about the rules for the cap but I think there is an issue once the cut-down time has come. The Chiefs may be over the cap, I'm not sure. Anyone here know? I know they have < 1m in cap space right now (top 51) but I think they have to add to that number with the other contracts for the total amount (not just top 51). CJ might be forcing the hands of the Chiefs to either drop or extend other players or pay him more money? I'm not a cap expert so I may be totally wrong here? |
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It sure is being reported that Jones and his agent were/are in KC today.
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This is just a question, if the Chiefs use the did not report designation for Chris Jones, anyone know what are the ramifications of doing that? I know he wouldn't count against the 53 man roster but what would that do to his salary, chances of signing, trading, etc...
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Hitting up JoesKC for some BBQ before he has to switch to deep dish pizza and Italian beef sandwiches ROFL
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Don't know if it's been mentioned but it's reported that Chris and his Agent are now in town.
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The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition
Hopefully we finally get word of being traded or him showing up tomorrow. That said, if his agent is in town that seems like it would indicate something is changing, meaning he’s not just showing up to play out his current deal or else maybe not much reason for his agent to visit.
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Good question. But unless his agent lives in KC, it's a fact that he's there to talk to Veach. Since Andy just told us a few days ago that there wasn't any conversation," I think that a good sign. |
Where is it reported that Jones is in town?
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I think we are going to make it though the day without a new Chris Jones thread.PBJ
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From what I understand, once Jones is placed on the reserve, did not report list, his base salary comes off the cap. Yes, once he reports, his salary gets added back. But every week that he holds out, his game check would come off that total. So the Chiefs shouldn't have any trouble getting under the cap at the moment. As soon as he goes on the rdnr list, the Chiefs will have $20+ million. If he really holds out until week 8, then the Chiefs will only have a cap hit of around $12M at that time. Maybe less. I'm not sure about how the $2M in fines works. Would be nice if that came off the cap, but I haven't found anything clear about that.
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I wonder how much money Mahomes is going to save the Chiefs over the course of his time in KC.
Trading a top 10 player in the league would never be a viable option with pretty much any other QB. The Chiefs have a ton of power to negotiate with these guys because of Mahomes. Just look at the rosters that some average to good QBs have needed to even appear in the Super Bowl, let alone win it (twice even). Trading expensive players for cap space and picks is almost always going to be a solid option when you have Mahomes. Enjoy it, boys. |
Let’s pretend it’s April 1. You wanna repeat as champions.
Everybody was sweating the WR and OT positions. No one worried about Jones. If I told you we trade Chris Jones to have solid bookend tackles and the deepest WR group of Mahomes’ career - both groups an plus advantage… Would you say the Super Bowl was out of reach? |
Jones posted an IG story of Tupac talking about how people can’t be trusted and that they’ll eventually show their true colors. Seemed honey-badgerish. Shot at Veach?
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It's the first Monday after the last preseason game. I expect to see movement starting today. Even if it is a bowel movement.
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Jones may as well be traded this season.
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No. You don’t trade CJ when we are the favorite to win the SB. We need him to win another SB. And KC has all the leverage. Why are we worried? If CJ sits out, we have more leverage next year with his tag being cheaper in 24. I don’t understand the panic. Also, it might be good for the chiefs to see what we look like for a few games without CJ. Here’s what veach will do, he will call CJ’s bluff and CJ will eventually report. We make a run at another SB. He either signs a reasonable long term deal or we trade him next year for more picks. I wouldn’t worry about it. We definitely don’t need to trade him this year. If he doesn’t sign a long term deal, then trade him next year.
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Anyone see Jones' agent at the Leawood Best Buy?
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