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DJ's left nut 08-25-2023 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17073566)
Yeah I hate it

I’ve been adamant that it’s too late to trade him this year but if he’s adamant on sitting, do it and move on.

i still don't think he is. I think he'll be here.

But man, a 'hold-in' is just so easy. Getting some hobo-spirit or just not playing as hard.

Even if it's not on purpose, we SAW what Mathieu did when he started worrying about his next deal. If you're not there 100%, you're just not there. Business Decision Mathieu did a lot of damage to his reputation here and it was absolutely earned.

I don't want to see a repeat with Jones. Even if he's here, if the well has been poisoned, I don't know that calling his bluff is even a good idea anymore.

We may have reached a puke point in this situation. **** **** **** this sucks.

O.city 08-25-2023 03:57 PM

Yeah that’s kinda the vibe I got from Andy at his presser

Bl00dyBizkitz 08-25-2023 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17071907)
Seth Keysor's take on things:

Spoiler!

The fact this is happening is just downright sad. Compared to Tyreek, Chris Jones IS the heart and soul of the defense and like Seth mentioned, the defense is designed around the existence of Jones. If he's not there, its hard to mask that. Its gonna hurt if he's not.

He seems like a leader, too, in clips from The Franchise and general voice bits from the team, he's incredibly intelligent with what he says, how he holds himself, and he fires up others on the team.

Obviously if this continues then we get what we can from him and move on. But as others have said, I would've liked to see him stay a Chief for life.

Megatron96 08-25-2023 04:30 PM

Damnit. I have a bad feeling about this whole thing now.

Pitt Gorilla 08-25-2023 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073560)
Gervon Dexter and a 1st in 2024?

We're getting to the point where I think we'd have to make that deal. I'd hate it, but Dexter's a 2nd rounder and the 1st is effectively worth a 2nd.

So a pair of 2nds for Jones? Eh, it's a hair light, but man, think of what that $20 million in rollover does for the cap situation next season. And Dexter might be able to contribute this season. Wormley won't be ready until October at the earliest but maybe Ioannidis can help out quickly. Hicks might have some gas left in the tank.

I dunno - there are ways to mitigate the damage for 2023 and ways to really catapult ourselves forward in 2024 and beyond.

Man, I HATE that it's come to this. I want him here long-term. This is a guy you want to see as a career Chiefs. But he's just gotta pull his head from his ass.

I wouldn't hate that at all, honestly.

Discuss Thrower 08-25-2023 04:39 PM

I don't think anyone wants a Tyrann Mathieu analogue on the defensive line for a season.

DaFace 08-25-2023 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17071907)
Seth Keysor's take on things:



Spoiler!

C'mon man, at least link to his site.

https://mnchiefsfan.substack.com/p/e...e-worth-noting

O.city 08-25-2023 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073560)
Gervon Dexter and a 1st in 2024?

We're getting to the point where I think we'd have to make that deal. I'd hate it, but Dexter's a 2nd rounder and the 1st is effectively worth a 2nd.

So a pair of 2nds for Jones? Eh, it's a hair light, but man, think of what that $20 million in rollover does for the cap situation next season. And Dexter might be able to contribute this season. Wormley won't be ready until October at the earliest but maybe Ioannidis can help out quickly. Hicks might have some gas left in the tank.

I dunno - there are ways to mitigate the damage for 2023 and ways to really catapult ourselves forward in 2024 and beyond.

Man, I HATE that it's come to this. I want him here long-term. This is a guy you want to see as a career Chiefs. But he's just gotta pull his head from his ass.

I’d take that and call the 9ers and offer it all for Bosa

TwistedChief 08-25-2023 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17073645)
I’d take that and call the 9ers and offer it all for Bosa

And they’ll laugh in your face and move on.

O.city 08-25-2023 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17073646)
And they’ll laugh in your face and move on.

They’re in the same place with him we are Jones contractually it seems

Balto 08-25-2023 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073560)
Gervon Dexter and a 1st in 2024?

We're getting to the point where I think we'd have to make that deal. I'd hate it, but Dexter's a 2nd rounder and the 1st is effectively worth a 2nd.

So a pair of 2nds for Jones? Eh, it's a hair light, but man, think of what that $20 million in rollover does for the cap situation next season. And Dexter might be able to contribute this season. Wormley won't be ready until October at the earliest but maybe Ioannidis can help out quickly. Hicks might have some gas left in the tank.

I dunno - there are ways to mitigate the damage for 2023 and ways to really catapult ourselves forward in 2024 and beyond.

Man, I HATE that it's come to this. I want him here long-term. This is a guy you want to see as a career Chiefs. But he's just gotta pull his head from his ass.

Works for me!

TwistedChief 08-25-2023 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17073647)
They’re in the same place with him we are Jones contractually it seems

Nick Bosa at his age has a lot more value than Chris Jones and all indications are that they’re still in actual negotiations.

Somehow the Chiefs are just going to trade with the Bears who forgot to call the 49ers and offer the same thing for a better player? Tooth fairy visiting later?

Balto 08-25-2023 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17073645)
I’d take that and call the 9ers and offer it all for Bosa

49ers get:
Bears 1st
Chiefs 2nd
Felix or George, they pick

Chiefs get:
Bosa
Dexter

Bears get:
Jones

Sassy Squatch 08-25-2023 04:55 PM

Unfortunately for Jones Irsay has already floated the new protocol going forward if players want to play the hold in card. NFI list and do it again next year. And no, it actually is in his best interest to play his best ball if he's aiming for 30 plus per. He might not even get that right now, much less after a down year.

It's already gotten to the point the sides are a bit angry at each other. Oh well. He still comes in week 1 and balls out if he actually has a brain. He can hold out until midseason or dog it if he's dumb, but even that does much more long term damage to himself than to the Chiefs.

PAChiefsGuy 08-25-2023 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17073655)
Nick Bosa at his age has a lot more value than Chris Jones and all indications are that they’re still in actual negotiations.

Somehow the Chiefs are just going to trade with the Bears who forgot to call the 49ers and offer the same thing for a better player? Tooth fairy visiting later?

Right. It's just not realistic unfortunately.

Woogieman 08-25-2023 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073560)
Gervon Dexter and a 1st in 2024?

We're getting to the point where I think we'd have to make that deal. I'd hate it, but Dexter's a 2nd rounder and the 1st is effectively worth a 2nd.

So a pair of 2nds for Jones? Eh, it's a hair light, but man, think of what that $20 million in rollover does for the cap situation next season. And Dexter might be able to contribute this season. Wormley won't be ready until October at the earliest but maybe Ioannidis can help out quickly. Hicks might have some gas left in the tank.

I dunno - there are ways to mitigate the damage for 2023 and ways to really catapult ourselves forward in 2024 and beyond.

Man, I HATE that it's come to this. I want him here long-term. This is a guy you want to see as a career Chiefs. But he's just gotta pull his head from his ass.

I wonder what effect the Omenihu suspension has on a potential trade? Does the suspension make the CJ camp think they have that much more leverage? Or does BV think CJ is DEFINITELY not a team player so screw you, I'll take a guy who many called CJ-like, and take a chance on a 2nd (and maybe a 4th or a 2025 3rd?)? I would be just SICK if we ever have to play a road playoff game...

DJ's left nut 08-25-2023 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17073650)
Works for me!

RAS - as ever - ****ing stupid.

DJ's left nut 08-25-2023 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Woogieman (Post 17073664)
I wonder what effect the Omenihu suspension has on a potential trade? Does the suspension make the CJ camp think they have that much more leverage? Or does BV think CJ is DEFINITELY not a team player so screw you, I'll take a guy who many called CJ-like, and take a chance on a 2nd (and maybe a 4th or a 2025 3rd?)? I would be just SICK if we ever have to play a road playoff game...

On the flip side, the Omenihu suspension could make it all the more critical that we get SOMEONE in here.

If you have Omenihu, you can be patient with Jones and hope he comes to his senses. If you don't, you might just have to dump him to keep yourself in solid shape over the first 6 weeks of the season.

It would surprise me at all if this is yet another example of Katz (whoever the **** he is) just not playing his cards well.

booger 08-25-2023 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073560)
Gervon Dexter and a 1st in 2024?

We're getting to the point where I think we'd have to make that deal. I'd hate it, but Dexter's a 2nd rounder and the 1st is effectively worth a 2nd.

So a pair of 2nds for Jones? Eh, it's a hair light, but man, think of what that $20 million in rollover does for the cap situation next season. And Dexter might be able to contribute this season. Wormley won't be ready until October at the earliest but maybe Ioannidis can help out quickly. Hicks might have some gas left in the tank.

I dunno - there are ways to mitigate the damage for 2023 and ways to really catapult ourselves forward in 2024 and beyond.

Man, I HATE that it's come to this. I want him here long-term. This is a guy you want to see as a career Chiefs. But he's just gotta pull his head from his ass.

The unknown all lies with what Chris is thinking. Is he prepared to play in Chicago and be on a shitty team just for the money? I know that to any player that doesn't mean a damn thing and it's all about the money. So they could be floating that out there to see if that's the direction he wants this thing to head or not. Who knows if it's beyond the point of no repair etc. I respect and love him as Chief as much as anyone. But he has a choice to make

But yeah, as to your question If it gets to that point or is there I would have no problem taking that deal. Dexter is like 32.5 arm length and that will effect him playing 3. Doesn't mean he can't play some there. I see it as Arik Armstead at nose when Buckner was still there. But i would have to goal to find another 6-4 to 6-6 type DT with the long arm length starting in next year's draft or potential trade targets if they are actually available.

That's the thing about the Jones, Seymour, those numerous types don't come along often. But in Dexter they would have a piece to work with that they could hopefully teach to swat passes at the very least beings he's 6-6. Then it opens up cap space to say not worry about guaranteeing Shelton's contract with the possibility of him not playing all season. The week one roster rule for vet contracts. Or add Ioannidis. Or Wormley later. And/or Dunlop or Robert Quinn or whoever. They would have the cap room to add when needed with the veterans out there.

With or w/o CJ95 that DT group is getting rebuilt. I obviously hope it's with him. If they have to rebuild on the run they have the right DL coach and getting Dexter interesting. You would hope the D as a whole could come together. Not ideal timing that's for sure

booger 08-25-2023 06:31 PM

possibly Zacch Pickens instead of Dexter

jjchieffan 08-25-2023 06:48 PM

Arrowhead Pride has a great article breaking down just about every question that you could have about the implications for Jones holding out. For example, his 2024 cap number is decreased by $1.3M for every game that he holds out. The article is way too long to post, and Arrowhead Pride isn't behind a pay wall. So, I'm just going to post the link. If one of you think that it needs to be posted, go ahead.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2023/...-jones-holdout

jjchieffan 08-25-2023 06:52 PM

Also, the article says that if he were to report week 8, the tag next year would be about $24M. He has no leverage. He's only hurting himself by holding out. If his agent hasn't explained this to him, he needs a new agent.

BWillie 08-25-2023 09:21 PM

I love it. I hope ge does holdout until game 8 so save us some money. We do not need him until the end of the season anyway and it also helps ensure he doesnt get injured. Absolutely perfect situation for the Chiefs to be in. His agent must be the dumbest person alive.

-King- 08-25-2023 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17073894)
I love it. I hope ge does holdout until game 8 so save us some money. We do not need him until the end of the season anyway and it also helps ensure he doesnt get injured. Absolutely perfect situation for the Chiefs to be in. His agent must be the dumbest person alive.

Being out of football for 9-10 months and trying to ramp it up in the playoff race and during the playoffs is a good way of ensuring he DOES get hurt.

That's why I'm pretty sure the 8 game thing was a troll. Makes no sense for him on any level.

Well on 1 level it does. If he's holding out while demanding a trade. But there would be limited in season buyers at his price range so yeah, back to it not making any sense.

Wallcrawler 08-25-2023 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17073656)
49ers get:
Bears 1st
Chiefs 2nd
Felix or George, they pick

Chiefs get:
Bosa
Dexter

Bears get:
Jones

Put the pipe down, and slowly back away.

If you believe that SF is trading the DPOY for a 1, 2, and a scrub d lineman, it's time for you to permanently log off CP, and get back to your piece of trash Madden videogame, and make your reality defying trades until your mom tells you it's time to go night night.

gordonelloyd 08-25-2023 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073560)
Gervon Dexter and a 1st in 2024?

We're getting to the point where I think we'd have to make that deal. I'd hate it, but Dexter's a 2nd rounder and the 1st is effectively worth a 2nd.

So a pair of 2nds for Jones? Eh, it's a hair light, but man, think of what that $20 million in rollover does for the cap situation next season. And Dexter might be able to contribute this season. Wormley won't be ready until October at the earliest but maybe Ioannidis can help out quickly. Hicks might have some gas left in the tank.

I dunno - there are ways to mitigate the damage for 2023 and ways to really catapult ourselves forward in 2024 and beyond.

Man, I HATE that it's come to this. I want him here long-term. This is a guy you want to see as a career Chiefs. But he's just gotta pull his head from his ass.

Not sure if this would be better compared to just letting him sit out until game eight. Either seem to be a viable options and realistic.

I love the proposed trade where we get both Bosa and Dexter. But San Francisco can’t possibly be that dumb. And then you think about the Trey Lance debacle and maybe they could. But I don’t think so.

Rainbarrel 08-26-2023 02:55 AM

He's become the Buffalo Bills. Get a postseason sack(beat the Chiefs). Your ego kamikazes your future

BryanBusby 08-26-2023 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17071952)
The in-season hold out costing him $18-20MM really stood out to me.

It's malpractice if his agent actually has him do that.

The true cost would be north of that due to the delay of new bigger dollary-doo's.

ptlyon 08-26-2023 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 17073992)
The true cost would be north of that due to the delay of new bigger dollary-doo's.

Please, this ain't Buffalo

Marcellus 08-26-2023 10:44 AM

In a league with a long history of players making stupid contract decisions this one is right up at the top of the bad decision list.

TribalElder 08-27-2023 04:02 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For what it’s worth, Michael Katz (Chris Jones’ agent) was in Kansas City last night. Enjoyed some good Joe’s KC BBQ.. �� <a href="https://t.co/XJjGushtK1">pic.twitter.com/XJjGushtK1</a></p>&mdash; Farzin Vousoughian (@Farzin21) <a href="https://twitter.com/Farzin21/status/1695876406733902175?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:hmmm:

Bowser 08-27-2023 04:54 PM

I'll take any kind of positive spin at this point.

BossChief 08-27-2023 05:03 PM

They said before the browns chiefs game that KC was confident after the game is over that they will get something figured out with Chris so he’s in KC this year and possibly beyond.

I mentioned it a week or 2 ago, but if I’m CJ95s agent, I offer for my client to show up game 1 if a promise to not use the tag on him next year is agreed on. That’s what Silverback did.

If I’m Veach, I probably decline that option, though. See you week 8 and we will tag you next year and you can tank your value even more and hit free agency at 31…your choice, Chris. Balls in your court.

poolboy 08-27-2023 05:05 PM

No more Joes for Chris..sorry bout your luck

BigRedChief 08-27-2023 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073560)
Gervon Dexter and a 1st in 2024?

We're getting to the point where I think we'd have to make that deal. I'd hate it, but Dexter's a 2nd rounder and the 1st is effectively worth a 2nd.

Man, I HATE that it's come to this. I want him here long-term. This is a guy you want to see as a career Chiefs. But he's just gotta pull his head from his ass.

we should get more than that in return? Surely?

Just like Hill, clearing out the $28-$30 million per season allows us to keep others like…..Bolton, Creed, Sneed and Smith when their contracts are up next year.

siberian khatru 08-27-2023 05:18 PM

My optimistic prediction is that he reports Monday, which gives him 10 days to get prepared for limited snaps in Game 1, then another 10 days to get more into game shape for Game 2. So one game in 20 days gives him time to start ramping up for the regular season.

But that probably makes too much sense. Who knows what he’s thinking.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 08-27-2023 05:29 PM

Chiefs are currently 10 mil over the cap, they have to be under by cut down day. Basically if Jones were to sign long term, he has till Tuesday

Bowser 08-27-2023 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 17075651)
My optimistic prediction is that he reports Monday, which gives him 10 days to get prepared for limited snaps in Game 1, then another 10 days to get more into game shape for Game 2. So one game in 20 days gives him time to start ramping up for the regular season.

But that probably makes too much sense. Who knows what he’s thinking.

Pretty much where I'm at as well, right up to thinking it makes too much sense.

BigRedChief 08-27-2023 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 17075663)
Chiefs are currently 10 mil over the cap, they have to be under by cut down day. Basically if Jones were to sign long term, he has till Tuesday

they can always go to Mahomes to free up that $10 million down to zero.

poolboy 08-27-2023 05:36 PM

10 mill? I thought we were flush up against the cap...what happened?

FANATIC 08-27-2023 05:50 PM

Time to let Jones eat it. Selfish BS. Will easily cost the Chiefs home field at the very least. I also agree he will give it a dont get hurt effort when he does show up.

Please dont tell me they need to " take care of their family". That slaps every fan in the face!

KC needs to start forcing guys to negotiate their deals prior to the draft. No deal then trade them. Make that a clear message. Waiting till later hurts the team long term. KC has lost the opportunity to sign another free agent or two. KC has other players to extend next year at top dollar.

Kelce is more valuable and plays for half what Jones wants. Yes I know TE get less. If you had to choose Kelce or Jones who would you keep? Jones is a selfish ass.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 08-27-2023 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FANATIC (Post 17075693)
Time to let Jones eat it. Selfish BS. Will easily cost the Chiefs home field at the very least. I also agree he will give it a dont get hurt effort when he does show up.

Please dont tell me they need to " take care of their family". That slaps every fan in the face!

KC needs to start forcing guys to negotiate their deals prior to the draft. No deal then trade them. Make that a clear message. Waiting till later hurts the team long term. KC has lost the opportunity to sign another free agent or two. KC has other players to extend next year at top dollar.

Kelce is more valuable and plays for half what Jones wants. Yes I know TE get less. If you had to choose Kelce or Jones who would you keep? Jones a a selfish ass.

Dumb post

Balto 08-27-2023 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 17075663)
Chiefs are currently 10 mil over the cap, they have to be under by cut down day. Basically if Jones were to sign long term, he has till Tuesday


I see $748,038 under the cap. Maybe I’m looking at the wrong site. Where do you see $10M over? Thanks

Red Dawg 08-27-2023 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 17075698)
Dumb post

No bitch. You are dumb.

TLO 08-27-2023 06:46 PM

I really want Chris Jones on this team. That being said, if he comes in and gets hurt in week 4 or something I'm going to be livid. I know it's likely not possible to know if he'd had the conditioning of camp if the injury wouldn't have happened, but I'm probably going to think that way.

chop 08-27-2023 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 17075673)
10 mill? I thought we were flush up against the cap...what happened?


I'm not about the number or much about the rules for the cap but I think there is an issue once the cut-down time has come. The Chiefs may be over the cap, I'm not sure. Anyone here know? I know they have < 1m in cap space right now (top 51) but I think they have to add to that number with the other contracts for the total amount (not just top 51). CJ might be forcing the hands of the Chiefs to either drop or extend other players or pay him more money? I'm not a cap expert so I may be totally wrong here?

Chief Roundup 08-27-2023 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17075669)
they can always go to Mahomes to free up that $10 million down to zero.

Can't do that right now. We can only work with his base salary which is 5.5 M.

Chief Roundup 08-27-2023 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17075707)
I see $748,038 under the cap. Maybe I’m looking at the wrong site. Where do you see $10M over? Thanks

He is wrong

Pasta Little Brioni 08-27-2023 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17075707)
I see $748,038 under the cap. Maybe I’m looking at the wrong site. Where do you see $10M over? Thanks

He's full of shit

Chief Roundup 08-27-2023 07:37 PM

It sure is being reported that Jones and his agent were/are in KC today.

chop 08-27-2023 07:38 PM

This is just a question, if the Chiefs use the did not report designation for Chris Jones, anyone know what are the ramifications of doing that? I know he wouldn't count against the 53 man roster but what would that do to his salary, chances of signing, trading, etc...

TribalElder 08-27-2023 07:57 PM

Hitting up JoesKC for some BBQ before he has to switch to deep dish pizza and Italian beef sandwiches ROFL

RaidersOftheCellar 08-27-2023 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FANATIC (Post 17075693)
Time to let Jones eat it. Selfish BS. Will easily cost the Chiefs home field at the very least. I also agree he will give it a dont get hurt effort when he does show up.

Please dont tell me they need to " take care of their family". That slaps every fan in the face!

KC needs to start forcing guys to negotiate their deals prior to the draft. No deal then trade them. Make that a clear message. Waiting till later hurts the team long term. KC has lost the opportunity to sign another free agent or two. KC has other players to extend next year at top dollar.

Kelce is more valuable and plays for half what Jones wants. Yes I know TE get less. If you had to choose Kelce or Jones who would you keep? Jones is a selfish ass.

The idea that KC couldn’t still win a bunch of games without Jones for 7 weeks is ridiculous.

TEX 08-27-2023 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17075841)
The idea that KC couldn’t still win a bunch of games without Jones for 7 weeks is ridiculous.

Not really ridiculous in the big picture. Sure they can win games. But in the AFC, the margin for home field is razor thin. Maybe you lose a game or two that you normally wouldn't. And maybe the AFC Championship game is in Buffalo or Cincinnati next year. That's why its a huge deal and Jones is indeed a selfish ass.

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-27-2023 08:34 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned but it's reported that Chris and his Agent are now in town.

Simply Red 08-27-2023 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 17075855)
Don't know if it's been mentioned but it's reported that Chris and his Agent are now in town.

Yes I saw that Mother ****er CJ at Herman's Sporting Goods buying a jock strap.

TEX 08-27-2023 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 17075856)
Yes I saw that Mother ****er CJ at Herman's Sporting Goods buying a jock strap.

:doh!: :LOL:

TwistedChief 08-27-2023 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 17075855)
Don't know if it's been mentioned but it's reported that Chris and his Agent are now in town.

This shows his agent is in town. Not sure about him?

https://fansided.com/posts/chiefs-ch...city-instagram

mr. tegu 08-27-2023 09:42 PM

The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition
 
Hopefully we finally get word of being traded or him showing up tomorrow. That said, if his agent is in town that seems like it would indicate something is changing, meaning he’s not just showing up to play out his current deal or else maybe not much reason for his agent to visit.

Tribal Warfare 08-27-2023 09:59 PM

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Megatron96 08-27-2023 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17075872)
This shows his agent is in town. Not sure about him?

https://fansided.com/posts/chiefs-ch...city-instagram



Good question. But unless his agent lives in KC, it's a fact that he's there to talk to Veach. Since Andy just told us a few days ago that there wasn't any conversation," I think that a good sign.

BossChief 08-27-2023 10:48 PM

Where is it reported that Jones is in town?

sd4chiefs 08-27-2023 10:54 PM

I think we are going to make it though the day without a new Chris Jones thread.PBJ

jjchieffan 08-27-2023 11:14 PM

From what I understand, once Jones is placed on the reserve, did not report list, his base salary comes off the cap. Yes, once he reports, his salary gets added back. But every week that he holds out, his game check would come off that total. So the Chiefs shouldn't have any trouble getting under the cap at the moment. As soon as he goes on the rdnr list, the Chiefs will have $20+ million. If he really holds out until week 8, then the Chiefs will only have a cap hit of around $12M at that time. Maybe less. I'm not sure about how the $2M in fines works. Would be nice if that came off the cap, but I haven't found anything clear about that.

smithandrew051 08-27-2023 11:33 PM

I wonder how much money Mahomes is going to save the Chiefs over the course of his time in KC.

Trading a top 10 player in the league would never be a viable option with pretty much any other QB.

The Chiefs have a ton of power to negotiate with these guys because of Mahomes. Just look at the rosters that some average to good QBs have needed to even appear in the Super Bowl, let alone win it (twice even).

Trading expensive players for cap space and picks is almost always going to be a solid option when you have Mahomes. Enjoy it, boys.

saphojunkie 08-27-2023 11:36 PM

Let’s pretend it’s April 1. You wanna repeat as champions.

Everybody was sweating the WR and OT positions. No one worried about Jones.

If I told you we trade Chris Jones to have solid bookend tackles and the deepest WR group of Mahomes’ career - both groups an plus advantage…

Would you say the Super Bowl was out of reach?

Dante84 08-28-2023 01:02 AM

Jones posted an IG story of Tupac talking about how people can’t be trusted and that they’ll eventually show their true colors. Seemed honey-badgerish. Shot at Veach?

TEX 08-28-2023 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17075963)
Jones posted an IG story of Tupac talking about how people can’t be trusted and that they’ll eventually show their true colors. Seemed honey-badgerish. Shot at Veach?

Im not surprised CJ is holding out. I am surprised he's also resorting to all the cryptic messages. I never took him to be a little bitch boy, like Honey Badger, but that's exactly what he is.

threebag 08-28-2023 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 17075955)
Let’s pretend it’s April 1. You wanna repeat as champions.

Everybody was sweating the WR and OT positions. No one worried about Jones.

If I told you we trade Chris Jones to have solid bookend tackles and the deepest WR group of Mahomes’ career - both groups an plus advantage…

Would you say the Super Bowl was out of reach?

The Super Bowl is never out of Veach

MIAdragon 08-28-2023 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17075963)
Jones posted an IG story of Tupac talking about how people can’t be trusted and that they’ll eventually show their true colors. Seemed honey-badgerish. Shot at Veach?

Pot, kettle, black…..

O.city 08-28-2023 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 17075955)
Let’s pretend it’s April 1. You wanna repeat as champions.

Everybody was sweating the WR and OT positions. No one worried about Jones.

If I told you we trade Chris Jones to have solid bookend tackles and the deepest WR group of Mahomes’ career - both groups an plus advantage…

Would you say the Super Bowl was out of reach?

If we could have done it before the draft, yes. Woulda worked alot better.

FANATIC 08-28-2023 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17075841)
The idea that KC couldn’t still win a bunch of games without Jones for 7 weeks is ridiculous.

Agree. But one or two extra loses drops kc from home field advantage. KC games are usually close. Jones is a difference maker in those games. Probably need at least 13 wins for home field.

FANATIC 08-28-2023 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17075853)
Not really ridiculous in the big picture. Sure they can win games. But in the AFC, the margin for home field is razor thin. Maybe you lose a game or two that you normally wouldn't. And maybe the AFC Championship game is in Buffalo or Cincinnati next year. That's why its a huge deal and Jones is indeed a selfish ass.

Exactly!

ptlyon 08-28-2023 08:15 AM

It's the first Monday after the last preseason game. I expect to see movement starting today. Even if it is a bowel movement.

Pepe Silvia 08-28-2023 08:23 AM

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siberian khatru 08-28-2023 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 17076157)
It's the first Monday after the last preseason game. I expect to see movement starting today. Even if it is a bowel movement.

Start staking out Kohl's!

Red Dawg 08-28-2023 08:46 AM

Jones may as well be traded this season.

kcbubb 08-28-2023 09:27 AM

No. You don’t trade CJ when we are the favorite to win the SB. We need him to win another SB. And KC has all the leverage. Why are we worried? If CJ sits out, we have more leverage next year with his tag being cheaper in 24. I don’t understand the panic. Also, it might be good for the chiefs to see what we look like for a few games without CJ. Here’s what veach will do, he will call CJ’s bluff and CJ will eventually report. We make a run at another SB. He either signs a reasonable long term deal or we trade him next year for more picks. I wouldn’t worry about it. We definitely don’t need to trade him this year. If he doesn’t sign a long term deal, then trade him next year.

CoMoChief 08-28-2023 09:34 AM

Anyone see Jones' agent at the Leawood Best Buy?

PHOG 08-28-2023 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 17076258)
Anyone see Jones' agent at the Leawood Best Buy?

Would anyone know if they did? I suspect he's not a household name.


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